Barbacoatl
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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft
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So Kevin Dent is probably not a racist, except in the sense that any meritocratic worldview inherently embraces implicit racism, but dang if he is not tone deaf to his own dog whistles.
CaptainGyro
Banned
Actually now that I look at all of his comments, I see he did apologize and say that he was kidding, so never mind
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Chie Satonaka
Member
INTERNET
SERIOUS BUSINESS
(Today, 06:22 AM)
*gasp*
IT WAS YOU! YOU BASTARD!
SERIOUS BUSINESS
(Today, 06:22 AM)
*gasp*
IT WAS YOU! YOU BASTARD!
ArkkAngel007
Member
GAF: Controlling bonuses, the fate of department leads, and uncovering the Doritos-Gate Scandal of [Present].
If only we were given such power in Mass Effect 3...
If only we were given such power in Mass Effect 3...
I don't he's so much more a tool than he is a just a terrible person. At least relatively speaking to other industry folk I've talked to. This summarizes something that happened earlier in the year in regards to Aliens: Colonial Marines.
http://www.velocitygamer.com/kevin-...-as-a-part-of-his-business-model/#prettyPhoto
scytheavatar
Member
He has the right to feel how he feels......... if he's a random nobody posting in neogaf. As a Microsoft employee anything he says about his company's product can have massive repercussions on their success and how the public views them. He can complain about the backlash toward Always on....... in private, not on Twitter. And even if he has the right to his opinions, when his customers are upset about what he said he HAS to say something to placate them. Even if it means going down on his knees to beg for their forgiveness. The customers are not always right, but to treat them in a coalescing way no matter how unreasonable you think they are is never acceptable.
Is anyone else starting to feel disturbed by the defense that Adam Orth is getting? It's starting to be pretty shocking how some of you guys here don't understand the importance of keeping your customers happy.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
with all due respect Mr.Jaffe , you may express your opinion, but you can't be an asshole about it and tell people to "Deal with it." ,Mr.Orth should have chosen his words wisely.
shinobi602
Member
Perfection.
Yep. There's no other way to look at what he did. He represented MS on his Twitter and didn't have it private. The "internet" did nothing other than spread the nonsense MS were saying about Always online and about living in certain areas. Orth wasn't saying those things, MS was. He was the Creative Director of MS Studios, not some wacky games journalist. Pretty simple, really.
lastflowers
Banned
Yep, if you have any self integrity, you'd do this. His buddy even publicly mentioned he was kidding around. It was certainly poor timing to make the comments at all....however.
It's not just the execs that should be upset either. Every engineer and designer of the Xbox team just had their work potentially compromised by him. No amount of spin can justify that -- even if he was just "joking around" with a friend.
If he resigned on his own accord, I wonder if that had a play in it. Hard to face your team as the creative director when you just sullied their work in public for "jokes" or worse if he was serious. Jokes are fine in private, but when you identify yourself as part of your company in a public channel, that's no place for jokes about a project in development that you are part of.
No he isn't.
If you go through his previous tweets (which is more trouble than it's worth, considering the guy lives there), you'll see him threaten to contact someone's employer for harassing him on Twitter. It was actually the high school the kid went to. Then he posted a screenshot of the kid's Facebook page and said "nice shirt."
Creepy stuff.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Ahahaha, I know it's been said before in this thread, but it's not that surprising that someone like this is standing up for Orth.
ArkkAngel007
Member
No one is defending what he did.
However, people trying to demand an apology over an obvious (while ill-tasted) skit that wasn't targeted at them is just pathetic. The guy apologized a bit over the direct conversations with consumers, and the rest is between him and Microsoft for creating that atmosphere.
A lot of people need to lighten up and not take everything so damn personal, especially at this stage with the whole situation behind us.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
It boils down to this: if Orth had chosen to exercise a modicum of common sense then he would still have his job.
Instead, he chose ... poorly.
No, it's pretty typical circle-the-wagons type behaviour when someone thinks their buddy is getting a raw deal. It also happens that this is a good reason to dismiss the defense, because who wouldn't stick up for their buddy, right or wrong, no matter if he came off as an extreme arsehole and won't even apologise for it..
Wow, yeah, Adam Orth may be just misunderstood here to some extent, but this Kevin Dent guy's practically a sociopath. Fuck that asshole.
shinobi602
Member
Hahaha this is some junior high shit.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Unsurprising. His actions led him hear, he should have apologised and attempted to salvage the situation much sooner, instead he doubled down with some incredibly ridiculous comments that he later claimed were jokes (sure) and caused no manner of bad publicity for MS.
He really should have known better.
He really should have known better.
I don't even think Orth is an asshole. He just seemed to have gotten caught up in his own product and became super-defensive. He's human.
Dent's tweets are just a reflection of his character. I don't believe I have heard one person say a good word about him, and every thing I have read from him has been him antagonizing someone.
Barbacoatl
Banned
Jesus. I feel dirty reading that. What a colossal cuntlord. Not surprisingly industry folk who share his shitty brand of elitism are defending the indefensible.
ConfusingJazz
Member
Was this the first public acknowledgement from a Microsoft employee of anything about Durango?
Every other time I have seen it brought up by outside sources, MS employees usually pretend the question wasn't asked and talk about some feature coming out for the 360.
Every other time I have seen it brought up by outside sources, MS employees usually pretend the question wasn't asked and talk about some feature coming out for the 360.
Kevin Dent is rather infamous within the industry (only super recently though). He has his own meme actually.
http://www.quickmeme.com/Douchebag-GameDev/?upcoming
Don't associate Adam with Kevin.
Technically he was just arguing for requiring online not being such a big deal. And it really IS possible for someone int he dark to want to defend this, we've been seeing some of that here anyway.
Yeah, I really enjoy this aspect of the entire thing. Instead of the actually naming the entities that made this into a big issue - the PR/"news" machine the industry at large created and then gently tucked in their anus - most of the ire is shot at "the internet" so that it can include all those jerks on those darn forums. As if the average nerd posting on Twitter about how his stupid opinion was stupid has the same level of accountability in all this as the guys that ran this as a public-facing story to a much larger audience.
Maybe I'm just completely dense because of the severity of the situation, but are these industry people fucking serious with their "internet" remarks?
Like do they honestly believe Adam's bosses sat him down, gave him a talking to, and just cut him loose because the internet said to?
Some if these people contribute to sites that ran with the story and made this front page news. They're apart if the internet too!
Perhaps there was a review on Metacritic for this story that I don't know about?
Did Sweet Billy's Week Long Adventure on Social Networks not average out to an 80 - so they had to stick to policy, and give him his walking orders?
Because that would honestly make more sense than blaming the internet at this point.
Dent is actually a friend of Michael Pachter. He appointed him to the board after he was named COO. I'm sure he would have some nice things to say.
http://www.148apps.com/news/kevin-dent-p4rc-plan-user-engagement-rewards/
I hoped the guy was just having a bad night but it looks like he's known for this kind of behavior. Dent I mean, not Pachter. Pachter is cool in my book.
I never understood what his exact position (not talking about job but rather his standing) in the industry is. Is he blacklisted or something? I don't get him.
ConfusingJazz
Member
Arguing about the Durango here is fine. Arguing about Always Online is fine. But I haven't seen anyone at MS even acknowledge questions about that sorta detail. The closet thing we have gotten from an MS employee about the Durango were a couple snarky comments about the PS4 reveal. Other then that, it's been a waterproof ship on their side.
I am sure that the brass were less then thrilled that the first time someone being paid by MS talks about always online, its related directly with bashing a good portion of the country. No matter what your intent was, its looks fucking awful, especially since the gaming press has SO much to do right now.
Oh god, the hat...
Wouldn't begin to. Adam Orth seems like a normal guy who made a terrible mistake and suffered a serious consequence. Kevin Dent, as labeled in one of those memes, seems like a cunt.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
EDITED - Why am I even taking this thread off topic :\
Chie Satonaka
Member
I'm seriously struggling not to bust out laughing right now.
Can someone make this into a text based adventure game, please?
I think the problem is nobody gets him. lol
When I met him he said he was an agent/lawyer, but seemed to be by himself, not an agency/firm. Now he his own dev company apparently, making a F2P shooter or something, but it seems very small/under funded.
He has a weird way of making fun of everyone as a joke in conversation, but only being in on the joke himself. I think he thinks it's harmless, but obviously most others don't. Just kinda like he does on twitter.
You meet all kinds at parties.
ProfessorMoran
Member
It's obvious you're Orth's friend and you're trying to defend him, it's nice of you and all, but even someone as outspoken as you would at least be smart enough to know when to keep your mouth shut and not do what he did if you were in his shoes.
Orth found himself out of a job because he's too fucking juvenile to know better.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
My beef with Shinobi is that he copy/pastes entire articles from other sites. As an additional FU to the site that wrote the bloody thing he puts the link in his quote.
I'm not a fan of games journalism but I have a problem when people pull this kind of shit. Hate what they write? Fine. Don't read it. Hate them and pull their entire article they wrote into a different place so they don't receive any payment for their work? Yea. I have a problem with that.
IHaveCandy
Banned
What's so hilarious about aspirations?Hahah which one of you is The Real Luigi.
While this isn't a rule, it's a silently enforced rule that many of the members know. Whenever I post a news article or what not I only take bits and pieces of it that are enticing and encourage the reader to clink the link and read the rest. Unless it's a press release I never copy and paste entire articles. It's in extreme poor taste.
EDIT: Realize I quoted the wrong person. Meh.
No one forced that guy to fuck his career up, let alone someone on these forums. It's all about accountability.
Well, I don't think any of his tweets were SPECIFICALLY about Durango, but yeah, his position makes it indicative that either Microsoft was doing it, or that people high up in Microsoft want to do it or at least see no reason not to, both are about as damning really.
Incendiary
Banned
Hahah which one of you is The Real Luigi.
It angers me this guy is gainfully and willfully employed while I'm still jobless. Ugh. I wish I had a better skill set to market.
akidnamededdy
Banned
I can see you're young and full of shit like we all were at your age. Once you get INTO THE BUSINESS you will see that rudeness excuses aspirations. Experience will teach you that you have fucked yourself and you don't even know it.
NICE SHIRT.
GoddyofAus
Banned
This thread has a severe lack of guillotine gifs.
Holy shit that's creepy.
A grown man goes digging through a high schooler's facebook looking for some sort of way to get back at him, dude must have some real mental problems going on.
WrenchNinja
Member
this Kevin dent guy seems messed up
http://www.velocitygamer.com/kevin-...-and-slander-as-a-part-of-his-business-model/
http://www.velocitygamer.com/kevin-...-and-slander-as-a-part-of-his-business-model/
Visualante2
Member
Tweets do not reflect the opinions of my welfare advisor
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Cue GAF being touted more as that place by many in the industry.
Not that we should care about opinions from that kind of folks though, heh.
Not that we should care about opinions from that kind of folks though, heh.