Barbacoatl
Banned
All this power, you guys.
So Kevin Dent is probably not a racist, except in the sense that any meritocratic worldview inherently embraces implicit racism, but dang if he is not tone deaf to his own dog whistles.I'd really like to meet this Internet guy, he sounds mystifying.
Most people should have known that from the get-go though.
according to kevin dent he will be picked up immediately:
RE https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/322133250384486401
"And for the record said MSFT exec is incredibly talented and will get picked up pretty quickly, it's MSFT's loss 100%! They were stupid."
yeah, its ridiculous right? I mean COO whilst you don't even have a gig right? Yes, if you are not doing what you want your jobless.
What the hell is your beef with Shinobi? Adam should have shown better judgement and professionalism. This isn't the first time he's drawn attention to himself like this. Adam fucked up and he paid for it ,,. with his resignation.
And Kevin Dent ... is a tool. With people like that defending you, who needs enemies.
But as for apologizing: I assure you the only reasons he's not apologizing for what some folks want him to apologize for is:
a- why would he apologize for his take on 'always on'? You may not agree with him, but the man has a right to a perfectly valid opinion. Not MY opinion on the issue, but the guy has a right to feel how he feels.
b- Why apologize for the whole whole 'why on Earth would I live there' bit when it was a smart ass trolly joke for his buddy? Adam does not actually feel that way at all and so the only thing he might apologize for is not being clear he was being intentionally smarmy and sarcastic but nowhere near serious.
David
Nah, you've heard nothing valid about the guy if you think he's not the apologizing type.
Adam is a good, good guy and a real talent. And he's a nice guy as well. He teases and fucks around- like so many of us on the net do- and yeah, he tweeted without thinking (like many of us on the net do) and he just got very unlucky.
But as for apologizing: I assure you the only reasons he's not apologizing for what some folks want him to apologize for is:
a- why would he apologize for his take on 'always on'? You may not agree with him, but the man has a right to a perfectly valid opinion. Not MY opinion on the issue, but the guy has a right to feel how he feels.
b- Why apologize for the whole whole 'why on Earth would I live there' bit when it was a smart ass trolly joke for his buddy? Adam does not actually feel that way at all and so the only thing he might apologize for is not being clear he was being intentionally smarmy and sarcastic but nowhere near serious.
David
So Kevin Dent is probably not a racist, except in the sense that any meritocratic worldview inherently embraces implicit racism, but dang if he is not tone deaf to his own dog whistles.
But it wasn't just for his "opinions" or the jokes between him and Manveer. It was a bunch of other ridiculous condescending tweets, I mean for crying out loud, a regular Joe Shmoe asked him something along the lines of "I personally know 5 people with Xbox 360s who don't have Internet...they would be screwed". Responding by saying "They should get with the times and get the Internet, it's awesome" doesn't really fly well by anyone's standards.
I can imagine that guy feeling pretty insulted with that answer.
Nah, you've heard nothing valid about the guy if you think he's not the apologizing type.
Adam is a good, good guy and a real talent. And he's a nice guy as well. He teases and fucks around- like so many of us on the net do- and yeah, he tweeted without thinking (like many of us on the net do) and he just got very unlucky.
But as for apologizing: I assure you the only reasons he's not apologizing for what some folks want him to apologize for is:
a- why would he apologize for his take on 'always on'? You may not agree with him, but the man has a right to a perfectly valid opinion. Not MY opinion on the issue, but the guy has a right to feel how he feels.
b- Why apologize for the whole whole 'why on Earth would I live there' bit when it was a smart ass trolly joke for his buddy? Adam does not actually feel that way at all and so the only thing he might apologize for is not being clear he was being intentionally smarmy and sarcastic but nowhere near serious.
David
It's not just the execs that should be upset either. Every engineer and designer of the Xbox team just had their work potentially compromised by him. No amount of spin can justify that -- even if he was just "joking around" with a friend.Just curious, why do you think the repercussions weren't proportional?
If I was an exec at Microsoft and one of my employees seemingly confirmed a controversial feature of one of my products before we announced it, antagonized my customers and overall caused a whole PR mess for the product...I know I wouldn't be very happy with him.
No he isn't.a- why would he apologize for his take on 'always on'? You may not agree with him, but the man has a right to a perfectly valid opinion. Not MY opinion on the issue, but the guy has a right to feel how he feels.
There you have it folks.So Kevin Dent is probably not a racist, except in the sense that any meritocratic worldview inherently embraces implicit racism, but dang if he is not tone deaf to his own dog whistles.
Oh, just another member of the lovely twitter trait "everyone's a fucking ceo". Never heard of him or his company until this thread. Like you say, nothing of value will be lost by never speaking of him again.
If you go through his previous tweets (which is more trouble than it's worth, considering the guy lives there), you'll see him threaten to contact someone's employer for harassing him on Twitter. It was actually the high school the kid went to. Then he posted a screenshot of the kid's Facebook page and said "nice shirt."
Creepy stuff.
He has the right to feel how he feels......... if he's a random nobody posting in neogaf. As a Microsoft employee anything he says about his company's product can have massive repercussions on their success and how the public views them. He can complain about the backlash toward Always on....... in private, not on Twitter. And even if he has the right to his opinions, when his customers are upset about what he said he HAS to say something to placate them. Even if it means going down on his knees to beg for their forgiveness. The customers are not always right, but to treat them in a coalescing way no matter how unreasonable you think they are is never acceptable.
Is anyone else starting to feel disturbed by the defense that Adam Orth is getting? It's starting to be pretty shocking how some of you guys here don't understand the importance of keeping your customers happy.
Is anyone else starting to feel disturbed by the defense that Adam Orth is getting? It's starting to be pretty shocking how some of you guys here don't understand the importance of keeping your customers happy.
Is anyone else starting to feel disturbed by the defense that Adam Orth is getting? It's starting to be pretty shocking how some of you guys here don't understand the importance of keeping your customers happy.
Wow, yeah, Adam Orth may be just misunderstood here to some extent, but this Kevin Dent guy's practically a sociopath. Fuck that asshole.If you go through his previous tweets (which is more trouble than it's worth, considering the guy lives there), you'll see him threaten to contact someone's employer for harassing him on Twitter. It was actually the high school the kid went to. Then he posted a screenshot of the kid's Facebook page and said "nice shirt."
Creepy stuff.
If you go through his previous tweets (which is more trouble than it's worth, considering the guy lives there), you'll see him threaten to contact someone's employer for harassing him on Twitter. It was actually the high school the kid went to. Then he posted a screenshot of the kid's Facebook page and said "nice shirt."
Creepy stuff.
Ahahaha, I know it's been said before in this thread, but it's not that surprising that someone like this is standing up for Orth.
Jesus. I feel dirty reading that. What a colossal cuntlord. Not surprisingly industry folk who share his shitty brand of elitism are defending the indefensible.If you go through his previous tweets (which is more trouble than it's worth, considering the guy lives there), you'll see him threaten to contact someone's employer for harassing him on Twitter. It was actually the high school the kid went to. Then he posted a screenshot of the kid's Facebook page and said "nice shirt."
Creepy stuff.
Jesus. I feel dirty reading that. What a colossal cuntlord. Not surprisingly industry folk who share his shitty brand of elitism are defending the indefensible.
Technically he was just arguing for requiring online not being such a big deal. And it really IS possible for someone int he dark to want to defend this, we've been seeing some of that here anyway.Was this the first public acknowledgement from a Microsoft employee of anything about Durango?
Every other time I have seen it brought up by outside sources, MS employees usually pretend the question wasn't asked and talk about some feature coming out for the 360.
Honestly if you want to blame someone other than Adam Orth it was the gaming journalists that got him fired. If it was contained to a forum things might have died down and crisis would have been averted. Instead every gaming website made it front page news on a slow news weekend.
All this power, you guys.
I don't even think Orth is an asshole. He just seemed to have gotten caught up in his own product and became super-defensive. He's human.
Dent's tweets are just a reflection of his character. I don't believe I have heard one person say a good word about him, and every thing I have read from him has been him antagonizing someone.
Michael is one of my closest friends, he is one of the few people I know that can look at a video games business and say ah ok I get it. When I first showed him this, he said OK you are definitely doing this and it was not posed as a question. He is literally the smartest guy I know. The guy is just a straight up genius.
Kevin Dent is rather infamous within the industry (only super recently though). He has his own meme actually.
http://www.quickmeme.com/Douchebag-GameDev/?upcoming
Don't associate Adam with Kevin.
Technically he was just arguing for requiring online not being such a big deal. And it really IS possible for someone int he dark to want to defend this, we've been seeing some of that here anyway.
Kevin Dent is rather infamous within the industry (only super recently though). He has his own meme actually.
http://www.quickmeme.com/Douchebag-GameDev/?upcoming
Don't associate Adam with Kevin.
Perhaps there was a review on Metacritic for this story that I don't know about?
Did Sweet Billy's Week Long Adventure on Social Networks not average out to an 80 - so they had to stick to policy, and give him his walking orders?
Because that would honestly make more sense than blaming the internet at this point.
I never understood what his exact position (not talking about job but rather his standing) in the industry is. Is he blacklisted or something? I don't get him.
Nah, you've heard nothing valid about the guy if you think he's not the apologizing type.
Adam is a good, good guy and a real talent. And he's a nice guy as well. He teases and fucks around- like so many of us on the net do- and yeah, he tweeted without thinking (like many of us on the net do) and he just got very unlucky.
But as for apologizing: I assure you the only reasons he's not apologizing for what some folks want him to apologize for is:
a- why would he apologize for his take on 'always on'? You may not agree with him, but the man has a right to a perfectly valid opinion. Not MY opinion on the issue, but the guy has a right to feel how he feels.
b- Why apologize for the whole whole 'why on Earth would I live there' bit when it was a smart ass trolly joke for his buddy? Adam does not actually feel that way at all and so the only thing he might apologize for is not being clear he was being intentionally smarmy and sarcastic but nowhere near serious.
David
What the hell is your beef with Shinobi? Adam should have shown better judgement and professionalism. This isn't the first time he's drawn attention to himself like this. Adam fucked up and he paid for it ,,. with his resignation.
And Kevin Dent ... is a tool. With people like that defending you, who needs enemies.
What's so hilarious about aspirations?Hahah which one of you is The Real Luigi.
My beef with Shinobi is that he copy/pastes entire articles from other sites. As an additional FU to the site that wrote the bloody thing he puts the link in his quote.
I'm not a fan of games journalism but I have a problem when people pull this kind of shit. Hate what they write? Fine. Don't read it. Hate them and pull their entire article they wrote into a different place so they don't receive any payment for their work? Yea. I have a problem with that.
And Gaf keeps giving it to him.
At some point, we need to blame the enablers as well as the man himself.
Well, I don't think any of his tweets were SPECIFICALLY about Durango, but yeah, his position makes it indicative that either Microsoft was doing it, or that people high up in Microsoft want to do it or at least see no reason not to, both are about as damning really.Arguing about the Durango here is fine. Arguing about Always Online is fine. But I haven't seen anyone at MS even acknowledge questions about that sorta detail. The closet thing we have gotten from an MS employee about the Durango were a couple snarky comments about the PS4 reveal. Other then that, it's been a waterproof ship on their side.
I am sure that the brass were less then thrilled that the first time someone being paid by MS talks about always online, its related directly with bashing a good portion of the country. No matter what your intent was, its looks fucking awful, especially since the gaming press has SO much to do right now.
Hahah which one of you is The Real Luigi.
What's so hilarious about aspirations?
If you go through his previous tweets (which is more trouble than it's worth, considering the guy lives there), you'll see him threaten to contact someone's employer for harassing him on Twitter. It was actually the high school the kid went to. Then he posted a screenshot of the kid's Facebook page and said "nice shirt."
Creepy stuff.