Look no further than the YouTube comments to find the poor misguided racists, sexists and homophobes that Bill wants to sit down and have a conversation with.
The important thing might be to take a minute ("waste some time") to try and gauge how worth it you think talking to a person might be, rather than apply a universal "ignore all / talk to all people I think are bigots"
The person who asked that stupid intro question can be ignored though.
Thing is Bill Burr is mostly referring to the massive injustice faced by ESPN Anchors and Mark fucking Cuban, how in the hell is anybody supposed to take what he says seriously when the first thing you need to solve those problems "like adults" is access to extremely wealthy elites so in order to shield them from accusations of thinking something awful?
Most of the horrid shit I see these days is hidden behind anonymous internet handles. Can't do anything Bill suggests there, either.
So now I have to think about his 1/10 scenario when I run into a flesh and blood human being that is spewing putrid invective and weigh the kind of change I can make in them vs. just getting on with my life because that's all any target of such speech really wants to do?
Bill lives in a fucking fantasy world if he thinks he's actually dispensing practical advice on this matter.
I think by default people are already willing to talk it out with others, in person, if they think someone reasonable is on the other end. That seems like a rare occurrence though and most of the garbage occurs online today where trying to talk to someone is useless in maybe 99 / 100 cases. I'm not sure which means, but if he expects people to try to have some discourse via youtube comments with 1488Patriot then he's talking nonsense.
Well the whole snippet of the podcast kicks off because Burr doesn't like Mia calling out a random internet question as stupid, homophobic, sexist garbage and he feels like mansplaining it to her that no there's something deeper here that we can solve and it's her that's not helping.
Maybe there's more history to it than that and they've discussed this exact topic under different contexts before, but Burr's so full of shit here it's spilling out of my monitor.
has anyone ever asked a homophobe if they want someone to sit down and talk to them about human rights
what's the peer-reviewed research say about the "sit down and talk" solution
keeps getting presented as some sort of gold standard in human conditioning, just curious
There was a famous study a year or two back where this group of social scientists had claimed they had perfected a conversation to change the minds and prejudices of people, what seemed like a break through turned out to be a bunch of data they had faked. The people who found the fraud decided to start all over again, and research was conducted properly this time using the same methods. They used a modified version of the deep canvassing technique that political campaigners use, long story short it was effective.
https://nyti.ms/1S5EhVg
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6282/220
Not trying to thread shit; but how do you guys listen to this for more than a few minutes? Bill Burr is a good comedian.. but it's strange to me he also makes a living readng emails with his 3rd grade reading level and doofusy random comments. Someone send Burr some hooked on phonics.
Why you say that lol?
Look no further than the YouTube comments to find the poor misguided racists, sexists and homophobes that Bill wants to sit down and have a conversation with.
I'll say that maybe my post was worded badly? I thought it made sense.
But what I'm saying is. I'm not going to extend an olive branch or sit down with someone who makes racist or sexist comments and feel like they aren't doing anything wrong.
"sit down and talk with them". Nah won't waste my time there got other shit to worry about than trying to change the mind of an arrogant, sexist bigot.
Also his comments about people getting fired for making those types of comments seem short sighted. If a teacher called on of his students the N-word or said girls are inferior to boys. Of course they'd be let go. At the very least suspended.
Same.I think having a partner challenge you would be pretty cool imo
I can't work out if youtube comments make me wanna kill myself or the commenters more.
They're really odd, I listened to what sounded like a normal couple having fun trying to wind each other up, the comments make it sound like she was some terrible harpy.
Bill Burr would be one of the last people I'd want to hear his opinion on about social injustice so I'm not surprised it went down like that 😂Well the whole snippet of the podcast kicks off because Burr doesn't like Mia calling out a random internet question as stupid, homophobic, sexist garbage and he feels like mansplaining it to her that no there's something deeper here that we can solve and it's her that's not helping.
Maybe there's more history to it than that and they've discussed this exact topic under different contexts before, but Burr's so full of shit here it's spilling out of my monitor.
Well most of the time I've seen stuff like sitting down with bigot studies, they've actually gone pretty well. Doubt they're peer reviewed though, just stuff like "Meet Your First Muslim" experiences.has anyone ever asked a homophobe if they want someone to sit down and talk to them about human rights
what's the peer-reviewed research say about the "sit down and talk" solution
keeps getting presented as some sort of gold standard in human conditioning, just curious
On an individual level, I think Bill is right - attacking someone will only make them dig their heels in further.
On a societal level, I think pushing cultural norms and shaming people who don't fall into them is actually very effective. I think the way it's pushed or people are shamed can be immoral, but that doesn't mean it's not effective.
If you legitimately want to have change you have to learn to listen, and find common ground.
I didn't shame anyone for holding their beliefs, and when someone said something homophobic around me without knowing I was gay, rather than insult and belittle them I merely continued to live my life justly and honestly, and I feel that they came to understand that things aren't exactly the way they originally thought.
He learned to fly a helicopter because he thought it was the best way to escape L.A. when it all comes crashing down.
Nah. I'm just not going to waste my time with people who feel I should be eradicated from the Earth.
You are right and your first post was worded fine (I'm not even a native English speaker).I'll say that maybe my post was worded badly? I thought it made sense.
But what I'm saying is. I'm not going to extend an olive branch or sit down with someone who makes racist or sexist comments and feel like they aren't doing anything wrong.
"sit down and talk with them". Nah won't waste my time there got other shit to worry about than trying to change the mind of an arrogant, sexist bigot.
Also his comments about people getting fired for making those types of comments seem short sighted. If a teacher called on of his students the N-word or said girls are inferior to boys. Of course they'd be let go. At the very least suspended.
Bill Burr would be one of the last people I'd want to hear his opinion on about social injustice so I'm not surprised it went down like that 😂
Lol at "finding common ground with bigots" that people who don't have to deal with bigotry subscribe to.
You don't stop a forest fire by asking the trees to shake hands with it.
Lol at "finding common ground with bigots" that people who don't have to deal with bigotry subscribe to.
well we leave finding that common ground with bigots up to you