ChimpBottle
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Crazy that in 2017 we still see comments like this. We've been making fun of cringey neckbeard elitists for years now and still people lack the self-awareness to not come off as one.
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Box Office: 'Wonder Woman' passes 'Civil War' today, 'Iron Man 3' tomorrow
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Crazy that in 2017 we still see comments like this. We've been making fun of cringey neckbeard elitists for years now and still people lack the self-awareness to not come off as one.
Civil War must be honored to be so popular in countries which still love Transformers and POTC as clearly they are the ones with the best taste.
Strangelove77
Member
Why does China love Transformers so much?
Killer Queen
Banned
Civil War is an incredibly boring movie. Idk what alternative world you're living in.
broncobuster
Banned
That's true. I'd almost put that under the second point of being underserved.
3D and other upsell tactics helped. It's partly why movies like Titantic and The Dark Knight are so impressive still.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I've seen it twice third act on second run through drags (through I was fairly tired in general by that point) but everything else is still. aces. Watching the warehouse, opening and lasso-athon on the big screen is still aces.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Better movie doesn't mean better box office returns tho. Just look at Transformers (not saying WW is anything like TF).
It hit all the right buttons for audiences and they'll want to see it again, and take friends & family.
It hit all the right buttons for audiences and they'll want to see it again, and take friends & family.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
By all accounts WW is comparably rated to Civil War and much better rated than Iron Man 3.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I was just saying that because someone was saying something about Civil War being better. Quality of a movie can help but that's not what a movie makes money on.
broncobuster
Banned
Yeah. Considering just three years ago you got Marvel CEO rationalizing those decisions with,
I'm sure the conversation now moves to needing additional evidence past Wonder Woman...
Look at the post it's a response to.
This is so annoying. You can just not like a movie without having to cast everyone who liked it (which, in this case, is the majority of people) as being weirdly out of step.
If you want to get technical, it's just US and Canada. People love kicking Mexico out of North America, but Iron Man 3 was ahead by over $25M there.
Iron Man 3 was a much bigger film than Wonder Woman though, in terms of budget and probably ad spend. Wonder Woman legging it to a slightly higher domestic total is super impressive.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Well, I'm assuming that's Ike Perimutter, and he was the number one responsible fucking everything related to female inclusion (probably among other things) to the point where Kevin Feige no longer even has to report to him, no?
Man, I know I've seen this email before, but how did I miss that it was actually written by Ike? This is the same guy who was also blocking a Captain Marvel movie for years.
WesternHeretic
Member
I have not met a female child between the age of 5 to 18 that hasn't loved wonder woman. Regardless of race or enconmic background. I work for a non profit that works with familes of low income. In my personal life my family is a little more foruntate to be of median and high income and regardless of status or skin tone every child i have met/worked with has absolutely adore wonder woman.
Kind of crazy to see how much of a pheonom and hero she is to girls across the nation.
DC found their cash cow.
Kind of crazy to see how much of a pheonom and hero she is to girls across the nation.
DC found their cash cow.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I mean the film litterally starts out with yong diana seeing other women kick ass and wants to join it. It's very much a power fantasy aimed at young women as well as older.
I've heard about Perlmutter being quite the bigot. Isn't he also involved in the comics? After recent controversies with comics, I'm curious now about who's making the top decisions in these companies. Sounds like a lot of them are old-fashioned in all the worst ways.
Don't get why we have to bash any of the movies mentioned in the first post in this thread. I enjoyed WW, Civil War, and didn't like IM3 that much. Glad to see WW do well, though I'm skeptical that the DCEU can replicate that success with JL. And that's just going by rumors and tidbits I've read about the films. I'd love for the DCEU to do well, but so far Marvel's still putting out films that appeal to me way more than DC films.
Krombopulos_Michael
Banned
Well deserved. We live in an age where marvel movies are endless and have nothing to say. The characters always stay the same, with only an illusion of development and chaotic/generic plots. There are no identifiable theme to these movies and exist solely as vessels for cool cgi, snappy action scenes, and occasional funny one liners.
Wonder woman has a clear plot with clear character change. And the message of "be an empathetic person even if people don't deserve it" is fantastic. Hopefully wonder woman wakes up marvel and let's them know people want actual stories with people who change not endless stories of people who are rewarded for not changing.
Wonder woman has a clear plot with clear character change. And the message of "be an empathetic person even if people don't deserve it" is fantastic. Hopefully wonder woman wakes up marvel and let's them know people want actual stories with people who change not endless stories of people who are rewarded for not changing.
Yes, Wonder Woman truly is so different from Marvel movies.
(It's not. It's pretty much a Marvel movie.)
This is near delusional.
Guardians 2 and especially Homecoming both got great reviews and were huge successes at the box office.
Marvel doesn't need to "wake up" and you don't speak for what people "want." The box office and reviews tell them what they want: movies like the ones they're putting out.
Pretty exciting to see Wonder Woman tap into a new market that are willing to see Comic Book Superhero films that cater to both men excited to see the a character from the page come to life as well as women who can embrace what she represents. I could imagine a good portion of that audience will come out for Justice League come November, especially if Diana is in the forefront.
Kudos to Gal Gadot, Patty Jenkins and Zack Snyder for helping bring the character to life!
Kudos to Gal Gadot, Patty Jenkins and Zack Snyder for helping bring the character to life!
Strangelove77
Member
Well, the movie version of WW is a really likable and relatable character with all the best traits of humanity. It's something to look up to.
It makes the animated universe version of WW total ass, which is something I thought I'd never say about a DCEU movie.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I mean congrats but...how? I can't even comprehend it, looks like Hollywood has been sleeping on female dollars, I can't wait for black panther to blow them the fuck out.
You mean Patty Jenkins. Fuck off with that Snyder masturbation. If it weren't for Jenkins, the iconic no man land scene wouldn't even be in the film. Jenkins was solely responsible for how WW turned out and I'm happy we got a great DC film. It's a good film and it's been rewarded as such.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
I hope this pushes them for Donna Troy either in a potential eventual Titans movie or the tv series.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Snyder and his team deserves some credit for casting Gal out of nowhere, and despite a lot of internet whining. Aside from that though yeah it's all Jenkins. The movie wouldn't have been what it was without her, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Civil War is better but that doesn't mean much at the box office, as Michael Bay has taught us.
The more important note here, besides the fact that there is obviously an audience hungry for female superhero content that's done well, is that this is exactly the kind of box office success DC's big three should be having by default. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are universally recognized icons. The fact that it took three damn tries to actually have a major, record-breaking megahit and the character that did it was the one who'd never been given a movie before should be pushing WB to completely re-evaluate their approach to these movies, not just in terms of female leads and directors.
Krombopulos_Michael
Banned
Alright I haven't seen those movies so maybe they have changed but do you mind telling me what the central message of these films are and why the characters at the end of the movies are different from the characters at the start.
I'm just thinking of movies like Thor where at the beginning he is banished for being brash and trying to defend asgard, but at the end is rewarded for being brash and trying to save jane. Or captain America where he is already a great guy and just takes steroids.
Obviously marvel movies will continue to make money just like transformers or fast and furious but people want movies that are structurally good as evidenced by the success of wonder woman.
Strangelove77
Member
WW is basically a Marvel movie. It uses the exact same formula. And not just Marvel, but every blockbuster movie out there. Marvel didn't even invent it, it's a formula that's been used since the 60s at its earliest.
Every negative you pointed out could apply to WW and every positive you pointed out could be applied to most MCU movies.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
IS it the general opinion? We have to make sure to separate people saying stuff on the internet with what the everyday person thinks now, cause plenty of people liked MoS and BvS
The international market.
So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?
A lot of studios?
We've seen films that do well internationally, bomb stateside and are mothballed, more than once.
broncobuster
Banned
Patty Jenkins was the key to making it great and deserves the credit. But movie making is a collaborative process. The Snyders, meaning Zack and Deborah, because I know people get weird about Zack as evidenced above, deserve credit for supporting Jenkins' vision as producers. Jenkins has said as much. And for finally giving the project a push in the first place. Having followed the nonstarter Wonder Woman projects for years, I'm thankful they made it a priority to get a Wonder Woman movie going.
Jasong7777
Banned
As it should.
Not to take away credit from Jenkins, but the movie was clearly expanding upon on what Snyder had already started to build. Snyder pushed to have WW in BvS and, if there's one thing most people agree on about BvS, is that WW was done well. The warm reception there paved way for the hype that this movie rode.
And if you think about the movie, unlike SS, it draws a clear relationship with its sister films: the look, the action, the story, even its tone, it all feels cohesive with what came before in MoS and BvS.
I'll give Jenkins the bulk of the credit of course, but even she will tell you that there was already a good foundation to work with.
As an aside, I think we should all admit that WW ended up being marketed really well. You couldn't escape the hype a few weeks before release. WB did a great job.
Killer Queen
Banned
I mean, outside of movie studios who cares about box office at all outside of fanboys looking to circle jerk success or failure?
broncobuster
Banned
Hollywood movie studios...because it's mostly what they go by, and where they get the best returns. Like, when studios congratulate each other, as in the case with Jurassic World overtaking Avengers, and later Star Wars 7 overtaking Jurassic World, it's based on domestic numbers. Ain't that complicated.
