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[Izuna]

We just keep voting until we get the right answer?

I mean... if it's the right answer...

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Why do Remain voters demand reasons for why Leave voters' decisions?

I demand it because your vote, personally, is driving the UK down the shitter and I think you and the others who voted for it owe us an explanation so we may bask in the light you have obviously seen.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Why do Remain voters demand reasons for why Leave voters' decisions?

I'm not interested in why you voted Remain, not am I asking you to justify it. It's your right to vote how you please. Nor am I going to persuade anyone of the opposing view, any more than you could persuade me.

I do take exception to the intellectual snobbery that a Remain vote is the correct one and a Leave vote isn't. Especially for something this complicated. It's quite an arrogant position to take, the presumption of being correct.

And for what it's worth, I'd vote Leave again in a shot. And I'm neither racist nor ignorant. Go figure.

"The majority who voted for leave were either ignorant or racist"
"No they weren't there are lots of other, good reasons people voted leave"
"What are they then?"
"OMFG why do you care?"

 

[daviyoung]

I mean... if it's the right answer...

Where "right" is synonymous with "your"

 

[Izuna]

Where "right" is synonymous with "your"

Thanks for the compliment.

 

[avaya]

Why do Remain voters demand reasons for why Leave voters' decisions.

Fucking lol. You were the one saying it was "complex". Why so defensive? You are on a message board where people discuss things.

You do realise from the data we have it's easy for us to draw conclusions on the probability of your vote being due to immigration right? Especially since you are being so guarded.

I wouldn't feel so intellectually superior if it weren't for the fact that it is a fucking cornerstone of being British...or should I say was because after the referendum and the subsequent national suicide that facet of British identity is now rather diminished.

 

[daviyoung]

Thanks for the compliment.

What compliment?

 

[Wrestlemania]

Where "right" is synonymous with "your"

Where "right" is synonymous with "not massively detrimental to the country and the majority of people living here".

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

Why do Remain voters demand reasons for why Leave voters' decisions?

I'm not interested in why you voted Remain, not am I asking you to justify it. It's your right to vote how you please. Nor am I going to persuade anyone of the opposing view, any more than you could persuade me.

I do take exception to the intellectual snobbery that a Remain vote is the correct one and a Leave vote isn't. Especially for something this complicated. It's quite an arrogant position to take, the presumption of being correct.

And for what it's worth, I'd vote Leave again in a shot. And I'm neither racist nor ignorant. Go figure.

If you're neither racist nor ignorant it doesn't leave much reasons, being a fool is one of them though.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

We just keep voting until we get the right answer?

You're not making any sense.
This is already the second referendum on the EU.
This also isn't a binding referendum.

How would it not be the correct democratic choice, especially considering the lifelong effects of this proposition, to hold a proper referendum?

 

[daviyoung]

Where "right" is synonymous with "not massively detrimental to the country and the majority of people living here".

So we should just keep rolling the dice until we come up with a number we like?

You're not making any sense.
This is already the second referendum on the EU.
This also isn't a binding referendum.

How would it not be the correct democratic choice, especially considering the lifelong effects of this proposition, to hold a proper referendum?

What second referendum? The one where we say "yes accept this deal" or "no, standard WTO rules for us please"?

 

[Izuna]

So we should just keep rolling the dice until we come up with a number we like?

(this is too easy)

If it's a number we like.

 

[Fur_Q]

Food banks are a thing. Yet NHS bus and taking back control. Hate these lying CUNTS. There is an atmosphere for direct action. Saying nothing else.

 

[daviyoung]

(this is too easy)

If it's a number we like.

Yes, exactly. Glad you find it a ridiculous proposition too.

 

[Izuna]

Food banks are a thing. Yet NHS bus and taking back control. Hate these lying CUNTS. There is an atmosphere for direct action. Saying nothing else.

Are food banks literally where you get cheap af food because I want that. Just-eat is extortion I swear.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

So we should just keep rolling the dice until we come up with a number we like?



What second referendum? The one where we say "yes accept this deal" or "no, standard WTO rules for us please"?

This is the first referendum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975

 

[boxoctosis]

If you're neither racist nor ignorant it doesn't leave much reasons, being a fool is one of them though.

Though you could argue that ignorance and foolishness are pretty similar. But you're falling back on the classic intellectual superiority argument, as if you can't envisage someone with a brain, and not a racist voting Leave. It's odd.

Fucking lol. You were the one saying it was "complex". Why so defensive? You are on a message board where people discuss things.

You do realise from the data we have it's easy for us to draw conclusions on the probability of your vote being due to immigration right? Especially since you are being so guarded.

I wouldn't feel so intellectually superior if it weren't for the fact that it is a fucking cornerstone of being British...or should I say was because after the referendum and the subsequent national suicide that facet of British identity is now rather diminished.

And again, I've said nothing about immigration. You're projecting. I know it's a emotive subject, but I do believe until both sides can understand each other's motives the country will be worse off. Both sides.

 

[daviyoung]

This is the first referendum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975

lol

 

[Wrestlemania]

So we should just keep rolling the dice until we come up with a number we like?

While lots of people could see the mess we were heading towards if we tried to leave the EU and voted to remain, clearly lots of people didn't, voted leave, have started to see that this is a mistake and would now vote remain.
There has been a material change in circumstances - people actually seeing that Brexit is going to be a fucking disaster and that "project fear" was actually "the fucking inevitable" - and if it's clear that a huge majority wish to remain in light of this then it doesn't seem unreasonable to put it to the people again to try to undo it.

Why should we be stuck forever with the decision of a slim majority when it's so clearly going to be a net negative to the country?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So we should just keep rolling the dice until we come up with a number we like?

Ireland and the Nice Treaty and Ireland and the Lisbon Treaty both come to mind.

 

[Izuna]

^^

If there are legit good reasons, please tell us. Because really, I have been looking and have found nada.

Maybe you have early access to Internet 2.0 or something.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

Though you could argue that ignorance and foolishness are pretty similar. But you're falling back on the classic intellectual superiority argument, as if you can't envisage someone with a brain, and not a racist voting Leave. It's odd.

The difference is I can give actual reasons why people vote remain. Could you offer us any good reasons why you wish to economically fuck the country?

 

[Wrestlemania]

Though you could argue that ignorance and foolishness are pretty similar. But you're falling back on the classic intellectual superiority argument, as if you can't envisage someone with a brain, and not a racist voting Leave. It's odd.

Add "selfish" to the list. There's plenty of Rees-Mogg types who knew exactly how shitty leaving would be for the country, but voted and campaigned for it for entirely self serving reasons.

 

[avaya]

Though you could argue that ignorance and foolishness are pretty similar. But you're falling back on the classic intellectual superiority argument, as if you can't envisage someone with a brain, and not a racist voting Leave. It's odd.



And again, I've said nothing about immigration. You're projecting. I know it's a emotive subject, but I do believe until both sides can understand each other's motives the country will be worse off. Both sides.

The only people I know who were intelligent who voted leave stood directly to make significant personal profit from the situation and/or hoped to gamble on a newly tax haven/low regulation future from which they would personally benefit. They knew it wasn't good for the country but they didn't care about that and they wouldn't be affected if it never paid off.

If you want people to understand your reasons you should start explaining. Complaining about intellectual superiority and saying nothing is hilarious.

Don't you worry, I don't think you are racist per se. That leaves only a few other possibilities though. Your reluctance to engage suggests the apt descriptor for your position may well be perceived as an insult on your person.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

And again, I've said nothing about immigration. You're projecting. I know it's a emotive subject, but I do believe until both sides can understand each other's motives the country will be worse off. Both sides.

Okay, let's talk motivations.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

lol

Do you have anything legitimate to say here?
You can play semantics all you want, but this was the first European community related referendum.

 

[daviyoung]

Ireland and the Nice Treaty and Ireland and the Lisbon Treaty both come to mind.

There were amendments that were voted on to both of these, it wasn't a case of doing the same thing hoping for a different result like here.

Do you have anything legitimate to say here?
You can play semantics all you want, but this was the first European community related referendum.

I'm struggling to find the relevance in the context of Brexit.

 

[Fur_Q]

Are food banks literally where you get cheap af food because I want that. Just-eat is extortion I swear.

Is this a joke. Literally depend.on this.
No not a joke love the volunteers, keep me fed.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

There were amendments that were voted on to both of these, it wasn't a case of doing the same thing hoping for a different result like here.



I'm struggling to find the relevance in the context of Brexit.

Riiiight. Okay.

 

[Pyramid head]

Why do Remain voters demand reasons for why Leave voters' decisions?

I'm not interested in why you voted Remain, not am I asking you to justify it. It's your right to vote how you please. Nor am I going to persuade anyone of the opposing view, any more than you could persuade me.

I do take exception to the intellectual snobbery that a Remain vote is the correct one and a Leave vote isn't. Especially for something this complicated. It's quite an arrogant position to take, the presumption of being correct.

And for what it's worth, I'd vote Leave again in a shot. And I'm neither racist nor ignorant. Go figure.

Mate, there's nothing 'nuanced' about your reasons. You're the UK's Trump supporter. There's nothing worth knowing in there.

Just how giant a pile of embarrassing shit Brexit is, becomes clearer each passing day, just as your position appears dumber and dumber.

 

[Izuna]

Is this a joke. Literally depend.on this.
No not a joke love the volunteers, keep me fed.

I'm not sure if it's ethical if I went to one but it would be sweet. I could eat those beans with hotdog tins every day.

But we have to remember, our government couldn't tell you the price of milk.

 

[Muffin1611]

The difference is I can give actual reasons why people vote remain. Could you offer us any good reasons why you wish to economically fuck the country?

This are his reasons apparently:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233045119&postcount=1870

Ok. In no particular order, some things wrong with the EU, which I think are worth breaking away from.

Free movement of people
Free movement of capital
The rapid expansionary tendencies of the EU, for no good end other than itself.
The treatment of Greece in recent years
The Euro
The misguided belief you can have political , economic , social union across such a diverse spectrum of constituent societies. The concession of sovereignty that goes with it.
That it's a vanity project that has got well out of hand.
That you have people at the top like Juncker who are essentially duplicitous snakes (his tax reform blocking when PM of Luxembourg)

 

[Izuna]

This are his reasons apparently:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233045119&postcount=1870

Uh, I think it's my Mum's NeoGAF account...

"Treatment of Greece", yikes.

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also I love how it says in no particular order but it starts with...

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

This are his reasons apparently:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233045119&postcount=1870

Jesus Christ.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

There were amendments that were voted on to both of these, it wasn't a case of doing the same thing hoping for a different result like here.

And amendments couldn't be voted for in another Brexit referendum because...?

Why type of Brexit do we want, do we want to remain the single market, etc, etc, etc. If there was an overwhelming vote for remaining in the single market and keeping the four freedoms, an argument could be made for scrapping Brexit all together.

 

[avaya]

This are his reasons apparently:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233045119&postcount=1870

hahahahahahahaha

 

[Miles Quaritch]

This are his reasons apparently:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233045119&postcount=1870

I've said nothing about immigration.

I'm not even surprised.

 

[Fur_Q]

I'm not sure if it's ethical if I went to one but it would be sweet. I could eat those beans with hotdog tins every day.

But we have to remember, our government couldn't tell you the price of milk.

They welcome everyone, whether you need it or not.

That's the reality they'll help you whatever the weather you wanna abuse it that's on you. I'm thankful for it. Such is life.

 

[wutwutwut]

And again, I've said nothing about immigration.

You literally said "[f]ree movement of people".

 

[Xando]

This are his reasons apparently:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233045119&postcount=1870

Lmao always the same lies

 

[Miles Quaritch]

You literally said "[f]ree movement of people".

Ah, but I didn't say anything about it during this discussion.

Checkmate liberals.

 

[daviyoung]

And amendments couldn't be voted for in another Brexit referendum because...?

Why type of Brexit do we want, do we want to remain the single market, etc, etc, etc. If there was an overwhelming vote for remaining in the single market and keeping the four freedoms, an argument could be made for scrapping Brexit all together.

I have a feeling those options will not be in our favour, the "will of the people" train will roll for years.

And sweet dog pile bros, you should be proud of your achievements.

 

[avaya]

I really like the "forced integration of disparate cultures and peoples" angle.

It's like playing diet racist bingo.

 

[Paganmoon]

Both Free movement of people and the Euro are things the UK didn't have to follow already though, which makes it all the odder. Almost like it's using vote leaves playbook verbatim.

 

[Muffin1611]

And sweet dog pile bros, you should be proud of your achievements.

He started a discussion about how there aren't a huge chunk of Leave voters that voted because of immigration. And after getting asked about his reasons, he refused to explain himself and deflected with "Why do remain voters question my vote?"

I remembered that I had this discussion with him once already and linked it. That is all.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I genuinely wish leave voters could make a decent case. Would make me feel a bit better to think there was a valid reason for leaving.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I have a feeling those options will not be in our favour, the "will of the people" train will roll for years.

An energised youth vote, like at the general, would turn the tide. Lots of 17 year olds turning 18 and realising their future prospects suddenly got a whole lot worse...

And sweet dog pile bros, you should be proud of your achievements

BS my dude. He keeps harping on about their being complex reasons for why people voted Leave, never elaborates, then claims he never spoke about immigration and then becomes defensive about why people want to know why he voted Leave.

 

[Izuna]

They welcome everyone, whether you need it or not.

That's the reality they'll help you whatever the weather you wanna abuse it that's on you. I'm thankful for it. Such is life.

Would beat payday loans from the missus that's for certain.

 

[boxoctosis]

I genuinely wish leave voters could make a decent case. Would make me feel a bit better to think there was a valid reason for leaving.

You'd like a case you agree with, which obviously isn't going to happen. Personally I don't think there's a Remain case I could agree with.

I've yet to see an argument for Remain I agree with. Obviously.

 

[Izuna]

You'd like a case you agree with, which obviously isn't going to happen. Personally I don't think there's a Remain case I could agree with.

I've yet to see an argument for Remain I agree with. Obviously.

How about.

The country won't go to shit?