LegendofDragoonLives
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When he comes home at the ripe age of 39 years old? Very possible.
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Cavaliers have traded Kyrie Irving for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante ii, & pick
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When he comes home at the ripe age of 39 years old? Very possible.
friskykillface
Banned
Ainge should have had all the leverage but I think with Butler x George going for worse trades, he must have thought he'd miss out on getting Kyrie or was shook.
Plus he didn't want to pay Thomas
Zizac looked meh in summer league and Crowder was already replaced
Still think he should have tried to get JR, JR is the true MVP of the Cavs
Plus he didn't want to pay Thomas
Zizac looked meh in summer league and Crowder was already replaced
Still think he should have tried to get JR, JR is the true MVP of the Cavs
dragonchild
Banned
Man, everyone's trying to figure out who got the better of the trade and I'm here thinking this feels like the crews on two boats throwing deck chairs at each other. This has all the stink of cleaning up front office paperwork, because it sure as hell didn't alter the rosters nearly enough. Typically you trade away depth (or bad fit) for need, but Kyrie and IT are very similar when it comes to role. Boston gave up more but neither team gained what they need to take themselves over the top.
Hyperactivity
Banned
That has more to do with age and years left in their primes than anything else. Last year, and likely this year, IT I'd probably the better player.
Shin K Dash
Member
more like 49. Dude is a machine.
There is nothing left to get anyone "over the top". The NBA arms race is Jenga and Golden State pulled a piece out leaving the whole thing a wobbly mess. Both teams made themselves better in the short term and kept an eye towards the future.
Cavs got an all-star player much more suited for the sidekick role, a young 3 and D guy with a great contract, possibly the ticket to Michael Porter, and made a good case for Lebron to stay.
Celtics got a young franchise cornerstone player, don't have the Thomas max contract demand hanging over their heads and kept Jayson Tatum.
Don't get why everyone is so down on the Celtics blowing up their team in the offseason.
Looks like many have forgotten but they were kinda terrible last year.
-They were about to be swept by the 8th seeded Bulls and then Rondo got injured.
-They barely got by a Wizards team with a 6 man roster.
-And they got destroyed by the Cavs in the most embarrassing series during the entire playoffs.
Getting rid of players and signing a bunch of new guys is a good thing for them. They might actually be a decent team now and do something in the postseason.
It must suck for IT tho. He had as good of a season as a 28 year old can have and they bailed on him. He deserves a max deal. Someone will give it to him next year.
Looks like many have forgotten but they were kinda terrible last year.
-They were about to be swept by the 8th seeded Bulls and then Rondo got injured.
-They barely got by a Wizards team with a 6 man roster.
-And they got destroyed by the Cavs in the most embarrassing series during the entire playoffs.
Getting rid of players and signing a bunch of new guys is a good thing for them. They might actually be a decent team now and do something in the postseason.
It must suck for IT tho. He had as good of a season as a 28 year old can have and they bailed on him. He deserves a max deal. Someone will give it to him next year.
Amazing trade for the Cavs.
IT is better than Irving and Crowder is that workhorse you want. Plus the Nets pick is probably top 5 pick.
Also sets them up well depending on how Lebron goes.
If he stays then resign IT and trade the Nets Pick for a George, Butler level player.
If he leaves then blow it up and have the Nets pick a cornerstone.
Ehh for the Celtic
I know they don't want to pay IT and Irving is younger but Irving haven't showed he can win without Lebron..Plus that Nets Pick could have gotten George/Butler level players.
IT is better than Irving and Crowder is that workhorse you want. Plus the Nets pick is probably top 5 pick.
Also sets them up well depending on how Lebron goes.
If he stays then resign IT and trade the Nets Pick for a George, Butler level player.
If he leaves then blow it up and have the Nets pick a cornerstone.
Ehh for the Celtic
I know they don't want to pay IT and Irving is younger but Irving haven't showed he can win without Lebron..Plus that Nets Pick could have gotten George/Butler level players.
So thinking about it, and damn, this is a pretty good switch for both teams though that Nets unprotected pick is a steal for the Cavs.
Trade basically allows the Cavs to still compete but also now have options to rebuild if LeBron & even Isaiah Thomas bails next summer. And Boston gets a younger All Star PG that fits well with timeline of their roster.
Shoot, Kyrie should be happy too, Dude, gets to be #1 Ball Handler again, is surrounded with younger talent to match his athleticism, and gets to prove himself against LeBron in the East. Dude is lucky to get traded into another good situation.
Trade basically allows the Cavs to still compete but also now have options to rebuild if LeBron & even Isaiah Thomas bails next summer. And Boston gets a younger All Star PG that fits well with timeline of their roster.
Shoot, Kyrie should be happy too, Dude, gets to be #1 Ball Handler again, is surrounded with younger talent to match his athleticism, and gets to prove himself against LeBron in the East. Dude is lucky to get traded into another good situation.
dragonchild
Banned
I agree but it'd kind of weird to see a trade all but admit that, especially when one of the teams was in the Finals last season and the other was a 1-seed.
OK, no one's catching GS, but it's still more customary for front offices to at least look like they're trying, and for all the words being exchanged about them -- and I'm not disputing they're different -- Kyrie and IT aren't nearly different enough to make this mean anything more than shuffling contract papers around. But if you're not really trying, then the trade makes even less sense.
DustyVonEric
Member
Loved IT. He's exciting, but I always felt he was too small for his aggressive style of play long term. And he has to come back from his hip tear. AND he's significantly older than Kyrie...
Losing that Nets pick stings bruh, but C's definitely upgraded. It'll be good seeing how Brown and Tatum develop without sharing time with Crowder.
Cavs got a great haul though. I just hope the reports are true that Kyrie is legit excited about the trade and will resign with Boston in a couple of years, as was already reported he's willing to do by a couple of league sources.
Losing that Nets pick stings bruh, but C's definitely upgraded. It'll be good seeing how Brown and Tatum develop without sharing time with Crowder.
Cavs got a great haul though. I just hope the reports are true that Kyrie is legit excited about the trade and will resign with Boston in a couple of years, as was already reported he's willing to do by a couple of league sources.
arts&crafts
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Assuming Irving has a great year, wont he opt out and demand an even higher contract than IT next off season?
LyleLanley
Banned
I'd much rather pay Kyrie huge money for the next five years instead of an old IT.
Man, I cannot freaking wait to see Kyrie Irving on an actually well-coached team that runs an actual offense, instead of being coached by Mike Brown and LeBron. It should really be something.
I like the deal, but I guess it all boils down to how you feel about Kyrie. Personally, I think with his age, skill level and accomplishments, he's one of those guys you raid the chest of assets the Celtics have been accumulating for. I didn't think Paul George, Cousins, or Butler were.
It stings, though. Isaiah was the most fun thing about watching NBA basketball for me the past three years.
This trade will be analyzed for years, and alot of that hinges on things out of the teams' direct control, like draft slotting (for BKN/LAL/SAC) and LeBron's decision (part III). It's certainly a ton to give up in terms of assets, but the Celtics got the best one and that tends to work out in NBA history.
I like the deal, but I guess it all boils down to how you feel about Kyrie. Personally, I think with his age, skill level and accomplishments, he's one of those guys you raid the chest of assets the Celtics have been accumulating for. I didn't think Paul George, Cousins, or Butler were.
It stings, though. Isaiah was the most fun thing about watching NBA basketball for me the past three years.
This trade will be analyzed for years, and alot of that hinges on things out of the teams' direct control, like draft slotting (for BKN/LAL/SAC) and LeBron's decision (part III). It's certainly a ton to give up in terms of assets, but the Celtics got the best one and that tends to work out in NBA history.
arts&crafts
Member
Definitely, but the huge contract obligation is still there.
Peter Ian Staker
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Bill Simmons on Kyrie trades a month ago:
Giving up IT+Taytum+Pick = Unreasonable. Taytum is the next Paul Pierce, he is untradeable.
Giving up Bledsoe+Josh Jackson+Pick = Would do it in a heartbeat. Jackson is a surefire bust because....well....he didn't want to play for the Celtics.
LyleLanley
Banned
I think Cousins and Butler both would have been worth similar deals.
Yeah but the owners have said they're willing to go into the luxury tax.
Diprosalic
Banned
he has two years and then a player option.
and you'd rather pay a 27 year old than a 29 year old IT as he's very small and once his athleticism goes, he will be beyond terrible.
It's better to have a huge contract with a tradeable asset that one that is not quite as tradeable.
Max'd IT wouldve been harder to move in than Kyrie barring any injuries to either person that would affect their value. So the better move is to have max'd Kyrie, easily.
LyleLanley
Banned
Possibly Greg Monroe.
Diprosalic
Banned
watch them make the playoffs lol. the east is beyond garbage and they have nothing to gain from tanking but several other teams do.
Dreams-Visions
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Cavs still needs to work on their roster. Got 17 players under contract and they would need make a spot open if DWade does get his buyout and decides to join the Cavs too.
Who ya'll think they'll waive or trade? Man, Shumpert has to be gone at least, right?
Iman would probably be the odd man out, yes. I'm sad as I really like the guy and what he adds to the team, but his offensive game never became consistent.
That said, those first and second units should be scary. I am excite.
clevbrowns94
Member
Feels good as a Cavs fan. Helps in the short term with IT and Crowder and in the long term with the pick. Can't ask for much better than that. It doesn't result in use beating GS or even coming close, but that was already determined long ago because we could never afford a fourth player to make a big four (and no, injury prone Derrick Rose doesn't count, he'll be lucky to make it through the season). At least we have a good shot of making the Finals, and that wasn't going to be certain if we ended up with a crappy trade to say Phoenix or elsewhere. So, we get one last title run before Lebron likely leaves and possibly the number one pick next year. I'll take it.
GreyOcelot
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Cavs still needs to work on their roster. Got 17 players under contract and they would need make a spot open if DWade does get his buyout and decides to join the Cavs too.
Who ya'll think they'll waive or trade? Man, Shumpert has to be gone at least, right?
i really don't think it can be overstated just how much better their bench will be with rose and crowder. if rose is even close to the player he was in new york, lebron should be able to spend a lot more time on the bench
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Rose isn't good anymore. At all. He was average offensively last year while being terrible on defense. He's fine if they ask him to play 20 mins a night but the idea he was -good- in NY is crazy.
Also I don't see anyway Crowder isn't starting.
TangoAlphaLima
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Ha, you think LeBron is retiring before he turns 45? That's cute.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Because Love, LeBron and Jae likely can't all start together unless you go super small.
Dreams-Visions
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Ninja Scooter
Member
Because he hates Dan Gilbert, and the Cavs are like a season away from a rebuild that he doesn't want to be a part of.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I think they'll try Jae at the 2. Might not work out but feel like its better than just rolling out JR / Shump which doesn't give you much anything.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Just rumors at this point. Unhappy with ownership, cryptic tweets, analysts need things to talk about.
Eh? JR wasn't healthy for a large part of last season, but when he is he was quite effective.
Amory
Member
He 100% deserves a max deal somewhere, but he can't be a max guy on a championship team. Especially not at his age.
I love IT. One of my favorite Celtics in a long time. But at the end of this season he has to make a choice between max money and a title shot, and it sounds like he's gonna go with max money.
Which I don't blame him at all for
Amory
Member
I think this deal is an admission by the Cavs themselves that they don't expect LeBron to stick around past this season
Dreams-Visions
Member
I think it gives them options. IT comes off the books next season giving them great cap space and a pick that they can keep to build for the future or trade for a vet to pair with LBJ.
It is exceedingly easy to imagine them moving something like TT/KL + pick for a number of good options, then bringing in another good player or 2 with their space. OR they keep the pick, IT and LBJ leave and they have a ton of cap space to start their rebuild.
Either way, it's good to have options. They now have more than they did yesterday.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Keep in mind, there's a good chance Wade comes back to join them after the trade deadline as well if Chicago can't trade his contract.
Jae is a versatile player but he's a combo forward, playing him at the 2 would expose weaknesses and limit his effectiveness. He'd be perfect behind LeBron though, should be coming off the bench on that team.
IT is not better then Irving, he has barley better numbers but he was the first option in Boston, Irving was playing with two other stars and still had numbers close to IT.
IT has prob maxed out as a number 1 option, now Crowder and the Nets pick is nice add for the Cavs.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I mean Lebron plays 40+ minutes a night in the playoffs... they're going to have to play the 3 of them together at some point.
Them not really acknowledging SG this offseason sure does make it seem like a lock DWade is coming there at some point though
Them not really acknowledging SG this offseason sure does make it seem like a lock DWade is coming there at some point though
17 Seconds
Banned
can't believe the cavs ended up salvaging the kyrie situation like this
Dreams-Visions
Member
season will be so much fucking fun if DWade shows up in CLE too.
at least one more NBA season to love life is all us Cavs fans can hope for. (we don't ask for or expect much)
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
They need to play Lebron at the 2.
Jae could barely stay in front of 3s on the perimeter, he absolutely cannot handle 2s.
You are way too high on him, he's a good 3 and D player but his defense last year was extremely suspect.
Yeah, there has definitely been some slippage in Jae's game over the last couple years, particularly defensively. Maybe that can be fixed or was due to lingering injuries, but he seemed very slow on the defensive end last year.
I respect Jae's game, but he's a marginal, limited player. He'll be fine for the Cavs, but as a Celts fan they are well stocked to replace his contributions.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I mean so does JR and Shump.
They're going to have to figure out a way to get Bron / Love / Crowder on the court at the same time.
I don't really think it matters much though. Positions are kind of meaningless. Crowder will get his minutes because he's one of their better players.
If IT is healthy I think they're just going to run away with the east in the regular season. Maybe it'll make Lebron happy. Their lineups this year without Lebron might not actually be god awful which has been the case since he came back. They had below replacement level wings last year who could only be on the court when Lebron was there