CambriaRising
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They should be working to disprove the "Same game every year" moniker, not perpetuate it. So I would say yes.
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COD: Ghosts has an exact same cutscene from MW2
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They should be working to disprove the "Same game every year" moniker, not perpetuate it. So I would say yes.
Are you serious?
I can't believe we have defenders for this shit but yeah there is a defence force for everything so why am i surprised...
It's because you don't work in the industry, bro.
No, but if you had worked in the games industry, you'd find his phrasing remarkably insensitive.
Wait, what? She was 'just an extra' so it doesn't matter? Is that what you're trying to say or did you just make a very weird and unfortunate typo?
TacticalFox88
Banned
The only thing the games share in common are:
A)Relatively Same Engine with upgrades here and there
B)Perks
C)60FPS
D)Batshit insane storylines.
That's really it.
Sports games are the ONLY genre you can legitimately say they are "the same game".
I can't tell if this is fanservice. My gut goes with it being recycled animation considering it has a few tweaks (less head movement, etc.) and both scenes have different moods so it doesn't make sense to call it a tribute.
Sometimes you just run out of time to make a game and have to pluck assets from prior games to be reused. It's funny, especially with the near infinite resources available to Activision and the Call of Duty franchise in general, that something like this still pops up, but I wouldn't exactly say it's them being lazy or ruining the franchise based on this alone. Deadlines are still a thing, after all.
Sometimes you just run out of time to make a game and have to pluck assets from prior games to be reused. It's funny, especially with the near infinite resources available to Activision and the Call of Duty franchise in general, that something like this still pops up, but I wouldn't exactly say it's them being lazy or ruining the franchise based on this alone. Deadlines are still a thing, after all.
So what? The scene worked well in both games, why do it all again? Wouldn't you rather they spent that money on the rest of the scene than wasting it capturing something they already had?
This is a good spot but I fail to see the problem. They saved some time & money, good for them.
This is a good spot but I fail to see the problem. They saved some time & money, good for them.
Stahsky
A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
That's... not insensitivity. But okay.
Did I say it matters? I'm just pointing out they are not a stunt person, and they are not dead. Every time that gets brought up, its "stunt person died!'. So please, taken your faux outrage elsewhere.
TacticalFox88
Banned
This is not a hobby for you. I'd suggest you get out now.
CambriaRising
Member
This isn't true at all on any platform. The game is horribly optimized.
Because they have a set rulebook for the most part. You don't want to get me started on $60 roster updates.
Stahsky
A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
They saved enough money by practically releasing the same game each year.
With that said, people brushing this off as a homage to MW2? I cant believe it. They been recycling textures and shit for years. Its horrible considering the money they make with this stupid franchise.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
You guys don't deserve new animations. It's not like you paid for it.
Christ, GAF goes FULL retard when it comes to COD.
EVERYONE reuses assets. Why? Because it saves TIME that could be spent elsewhere.
DICE did it with BF4, Bungie probably still has some assets from Reach in Destiny however minor or major they may be, ND's Uncharted engine is fully compatible with the PS4 and wasn't really "upgraded" in the traditional sense.
This isn't being "lazy", it's called using common sense and not just trying to please a vocal minority who would bash the franchise as the "same" unless they turned it into something unrecognizable.
EVERYONE reuses assets. Why? Because it saves TIME that could be spent elsewhere.
DICE did it with BF4, Bungie probably still has some assets from Reach in Destiny however minor or major they may be, ND's Uncharted engine is fully compatible with the PS4 and wasn't really "upgraded" in the traditional sense.
This isn't being "lazy", it's called using common sense and not just trying to please a vocal minority who would bash the franchise as the "same" unless they turned it into something unrecognizable.
Now, just to nip one thing in the bud, because it's a part of this I do agree with: There's an argument, perhaps, that the time saved is not being used in ways that this audience particularly approves of. That is a perfectly valid criticism. But it's important to underline that it is being used somewhere... unless the game had a reduced budget, which I don't believe it did.
When you correct someone by saying that "it was just a [x]" you are implying a lessening on impact. The position of "just an" in the phrase "just an extra" implies the you might think it is not as important because the person is in a lesser role (extra vs stuntman).
Just another reason why the english language is too damned complicated for its own good. Without body language and vocal inflection, it's hard to gauge what is intended through text.
I understand that you only meant to correct the fact but the way how the sentence is worded could imply that you consider the person's outcome less important due to a lesser value attributed to that person's job title. I know that wasn't what you are trying to say but that might be the unintended inference that Tiemen is noticing.
Well ok then show me more examples when EVERYONE does that, show me an exact same cutscene from let's say the God of War series or MGS or FF, you name it.
From fan service to insensitivity. CoD Ghosts not only has really weird and inaccurate PC requirements, it runs like ass on most high end pc setups. The PS4 version is rumored to have framerate issues, which are just as noticeable or maybe even more noticeable when compared the Xbox 360 version. The PS3 version of Ghosts looks like muddy ass, performs as good or probably worse than the 360 version. The Xbone version and impressions for that are under wraps, god knows what that version will look like and how it'll perform.
Ghosts is clearly great technically, there seems to be no issues behind the scenes when it comes to shipping out such a great title.
Ghosts is clearly great technically, there seems to be no issues behind the scenes when it comes to shipping out such a great title.
Game runs on same engine for god knows how many years now, and you post this? Lol.
They banked millions, obviously people paid for it genius. If any publisher should not have to worry about expenses it is Activision.
No need to react aggresively. You quoted a post that didn't mention a stunt person, so the way you made clear that she was 'just an extra' implied to me that you thought she was somehow 'worth less'. I didn't know she survived, so thank you for clearing it up, but the way you constructed your post made it seem like you thought she wasn't worth much anyway and it wasn't worth re-using footage for.
Exterminieren
Banned
Well at least you understand what I meant. The poor woman had a cable snap her car in two and gave her brain damage.
test_account
XP-39C²
Why are we arguing about a 18 second scene, in a game that is maybe 5-6 hours long, where the camera and animation is reused from one game to another? Not trying to be rude, i honestly wonder.
This also makes me wonder, are there any sequels that uses 100% new assets?
This also makes me wonder, are there any sequels that uses 100% new assets?
karasu
Member
and game play,aesthetics, pacing,etc
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Man, remember that famous "Two guys pick one up" scene from MW2? It's like, the most iconic scene of the entire game. No wonder they pay homage to such an epic and unforgettable scene. Cleary this is fan service.
Stone Ocean
Member
Did that scene need to be recycled? Coming up with endings for war games got too hard now?
test_account
XP-39C²
Is the scene from Ghosts the ending scene?
king picollo
Member
It's either a really lazy recycle they probably hoped no one would notice or the homage thing.
I tend to think you'll how much you like CoD will decide which one of those you think.
Lazy copy for me.
I tend to think you'll how much you like CoD will decide which one of those you think.
Lazy copy for me.
Noisepurge
Member
probably not if it was written to be like that anyways
but yeah, highest grossing shooter series in the world and they cant be bothered or "have the budget" to mocap unique cutscenes sounds kind of bad
Razgriz-Specter
Member
No its from the first 10 minutes.
Portugeezer
Member
I don't think it's a big deal.
COD is one of the best selling game series there is. They have ripped a sequence of ghosts straight from the ending of MW2.
I don't think anybody cares if some assets carry over, but this is going too far. It's not like they don't have the money.
test_account
XP-39C²
Thanks for the info. I havnt played the game yet, waiting for the PS4 version =) (my PS3 stopped reading games a few days ago anyway, so its sent it for repair, and my PC is too old to handle Ghosts).
Yes, reusing assets is common. But reusing an entire cutscene script is not.
Edit: I should note that I'm not surprised by the time-saving measures: being asked to develop six SKUs within two years was always going to be a tall order and the uneven end results speak for themselves.
Edit: I should note that I'm not surprised by the time-saving measures: being asked to develop six SKUs within two years was always going to be a tall order and the uneven end results speak for themselves.
test_account
XP-39C²
Apparently the scene is from the begining of Ghosts. If the ending scene was the same in both games, then i could understand it a bit more.
Its true that its not a money issue. As you say, Activsion has enough money indeed. I think its more a thing about time saving.
I'd normally be ok with this to cut costs on the rigging but to be honest, there is no need for it on CoD, it makes a ridiculous amount of money so it shouldn't have to resort to this.
Then again I'm the type of guy who is happy with re used assets in sequels because why bother designing 2 different lamps, if a game is struggling to make the budget.
Then again I'm the type of guy who is happy with re used assets in sequels because why bother designing 2 different lamps, if a game is struggling to make the budget.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
His point is that even bad games are made by people that pour a lot of hard work into what they're doing.
Which is true.
teruterubozu
Member
ghosts, obviously
fabricated backlash
Member
Maybe an animator died during the making of the new scene and that's why they re-used the old animation sequence?
Yeah, I saw that upon viewing the youtube video for a second time. I should really have caught that in the first place, since I am currently 3 missions into the game.
I have amended my original post.
I agree it's not that bad when it's not being used as the ending sequence, but it is still more blatant than I would like. The game is rushed, probably too many platforms with too many different technologies.