plus your playing a char who is trying to save the city not destroy it
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Crackdown 3 (XB/PC, Sumo Digital) E3 Trailer out Nov 7th
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plus your playing a char who is trying to save the city not destroy it
LukasTaves
Member
For one, the campaign would be online only, and the game was announced in 2014, when people was still soared on xbone being online only. That alone should be a reason for no destruction in campaign as no way they would make 2 different campaigns.
Then, there's the balancing issue, how to make the campaign challenging when you can just blow up a tower and killing the bad guy instead of dealing with him (and a huge part of crackdown 1 was climbing these towers to face the enemies which were already a challenge in itself with the gazilion of enemies attacking you.
I dont buy this, theres ways to bullshit your way around it. Limit weapons, shields around buildings, specially re enforced buildings that you cant knock down.
I think the only reason you cant destroy everything is cause they cant do it on an Xbox One. PR about being the good guys be damned
MosquitoSmasher
Member
That does make sense yeah.
But man, only 10 players? That's not a whole lot at all. You'd think with a big city it would at least be 20? But I especially want that because I have a lot of friends who would be in my team.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
For one example it would bork the orb collecting. If there's a orb on top of a building that you didn't see, you've effectively made it impossible to reach if you destroyed the building. So now you'll have to reload the game to get it.
Family Fry
Member
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Yes, that's more like it!
Well the "cities" aren't going to be as large as main game. I would expect they will be small enough to walk through.
I also suspect there'd be no pedestrians or cars, either. Just a bunch of agents with guns and lots of buildings ready to fall.
We don't know the exact details, though.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
The campaign gameplay actually looks great. Movement seems really smooth which is good.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Okay, that was much, much better. City looks good, visuals aren't too shabby either and I'm liking the addition of heat vents to boost your jumping.
I don't like the thrust, feels like it'll take some of the challenge out of platforming and the pacing seems off, almost as if the gameplay is running at twice the speed it should be.
Still no transforming vehicles. I don't care if they've said they are in the game. Show me.
The singularity weapon...we Red Faction now.
I don't like the thrust, feels like it'll take some of the challenge out of platforming and the pacing seems off, almost as if the gameplay is running at twice the speed it should be.
Still no transforming vehicles. I don't care if they've said they are in the game. Show me.
The singularity weapon...we Red Faction now.
flaxknuckles
Member
Animations still need some polishing but the game looks a lot better. Still not awesome graphics but the game looks fun.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Not every game needs to be eye-burning
We're at a point where most everything looks good, so I'm just looking for a good time with good art style.
Bits N Pieces
Member
God I've missed going off my nut trying to hunt down orbs, can't wait!
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Those are only mid tier Agents too at best. Shit get's much crazier!
Ricky Ricardo
Member
I mean, we're not getting Sunset Overdrive 2, so this'll suffice :3
The sound of it. I'm jumping across buildings and then I think I hear the whirring of an orb so I pull up quick and just start swing the camera like a madman. Nothing there. I swear I heard it! 5 minutes later I find it and it breaks apart into mini-orbs that my body sucks in.
I'm ready. My body is ready.
Black Mantis
Member
Very true. I've got no problem playing the OG Crackdown these days, as despite it being 10 years old, climbing a tall building and looking over the city is still thrilling to me.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Quantity over quality.
They think the number of games they show is important, I suspect it goes back to when they were getting blasted for not showing enough games.
MS and moderation don't mix.
Just watched it, still looks rough, i cant get used to the poor animations, these agents are skating around and nothing has weight to it, throw a heavy metal block and it follows a straight line (not a trajectory arc) with barely any impact, massive wide areas obviously scaled for destruction but the people that reside there look like ants, there so much space between everything, agents reach a platform edge and just float around until the game pushes them ontop, it looks and animates like a 360 game. I liked CD1 but always hoped it would grow into something great, not feeling it so far. Fingers crossed feedback is positive despite my personal disappointment.
Black Mantis
Member
That's what I want to know, what we've seen of Crackdown right now, was much better than what we got last night. Phil needs to crack down on the E3 production team.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
So change the design of the game so destruction works. They were able to figure it out 10 years ago in rfg but I guess it's too hard now and everyone just accepts whatever they give us.
Baffles me they didn't do a least a little walk through explaining some of the mechanics and what-not at E3. SOT got 9 minutes onstage, but this is looking fun. Animations are a bit rough, but the city looks pretty wild and it looks like there's a lot of ways to mess shit up.
True, I can't wait to see more.
This isn't just an E3 2017 thing though, it's been going on for years.
Go back to 2015 when Gears 4 was first shown, was dark and looked bad. Scalebound showings were bad too but the gameplay vids shown behind closed doors etc looked much better. There has been other games aswell but I'm struggling to think.
MS has had this problem for a while, even if the games are good they have a hard time showing it off at conferences.
With Red Faction Guerilla specifically, I think the company owns a patent on that form of destruction tech. It's why you don't see more games using it/implementing something similar.
I could be completely wrong however.
red faction guerrilla's destruction is absolutely nowhere near the level of Crackdown 3.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Watched it a couple more times. There's a real lack of weight to all the movement. They also seem to have removed momentum from jumps too, maybe because of the thrust?
There are aspects to be hopeful about, but the lack of weight and odd pacing are worrying. Those are core aspects that should have been nailed down before anything else.
Black Mantis
Member
I know that and have mentioned it in Scalebound threads before. Just referencing the most recent example.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Not every game for the XBX is going to be a graphical showcase. Gameplay is king.
Black Mantis
Member
It ran on the Havok physics software I believe, which Microsoft now own!
http://www.havok.com/havok-to-join-microsoft/
Steelyuhas
Member
Yeah the Studios games that aren't from the first party studios have had bafflingly poor effort into showing them off. State of Decay 2 similarly yesterday had a oddly edited, pretty messy trailer for what I assume will be a very good game.
On the other hand, for FP Rare had a lengthy, well thought out and edited demo for Sea of Thieves. As they don't have that many FP studios, they need to work on better promotion for the Studios games that fall under Shannon.
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That said, luckily this footage on the live show today has my worries about the game subsided, looks fun.
It's not just third party studios, as said above, Gears 4 had this problem when it was first shown off aswell.
Scalebound was the worst for it. I agree with you though, whoever does their E3 trailers needs a kick up the ass
LordBaztion
Member
that looks hideous, not just graphically but the art direction is bland. Gameplay looks something taken from the PS2 era. There is no ammount of destruction that is going to revive my interest for the game.
Agreed with all points. There's a sense of satisfaction you get when your character & the world sells struggle/danger through weight, movement and mobility. Drake/Link are examples of masterful movement and interaction. Even the guy in Athem showed this earlier, which is comparable to CD interms acrobatics.
Tranqueris
Banned
As someone who really enjoyed 1 and 2 (not as much obviously), something just seems really off, I can't put my finger on it.
They could easily just implement a "rebuild" system if you go to sleep or save the game.
MadJackChurchill
Banned
This is how Crackdown's always been though. Janky and low budget, but incredibly fun in a fire fight. Even more fun with friends. The visuals, however...they're just downright outdated.
oldergamer
Member
That wouldn't work. If u could level buildings in the campaign you could finish the game in a matter of a few hours. The problem u are trying to solve is an age old game design problem tht has no solution but head to head combat.
Thanks.
It's Crackdown for sure and looks quite fun but it's really close, they obviously added, tweaked things but the base is so Crackdown 1. Is that a bad thing, I dunno, Microsoft obviously pissed about with the IP and went for a rush job in the end so it's great that it looks that good but it lacks the innovation and upgrade a new game usually has. Crackdown being stiff wasn't compelling design, it's just what it was at the time. Crackdown 3 to me needed that leap to next gen with the core ideas intact not the actual core.
Oh, :/. I thought it was Geo-Mod or something. Either way, I would love more games with that tech.