It really is not different. EA owns developers, therefore they decide their fate altogether - what games they make, how long, what is their headcount, sometimes about the shutdown, too. Deciding on the where the game is sold seems like the smallest concern for those developers. Ultimately at Valve someone makes the same management and marketing decisions as people in EA.loblaw said:
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szaromir said:
The significant difference is that Crysis 2 is still available for sale on other DD outlets. That's the key here, not the fact that it's been pulled from the Steam Store.
I would never have posted this topic if it had been pulled from Steam and made an Origin exclusive.
Edit: Yay! I'm famous:
http://kotaku.com/5811996/crysis-2-pulled-from-steam-now-only-on-eas-origin
Acosta said:
For all we know it could just be a temporary glitch, or contractual talks behind the scenes between Valve and E.A.
Haven't seen a mass scale meltdown for some time on GAF.
on your point:
If they are taking a stab at steam, then good on them, bad on steam lovers though, which is like 90% of the market. <<< Which is why I don't believe BF3 will be Origin exclusive. Their biggest ip of the year will reach 90% of the pc download space. Lesser titles, or older titles maybe not so much.
ZombieSupaStar said:
Could you tell me how you got to this link from the Origin home page? Or where it is offering Extended Download Service for purchase? I think this is just a old website they never deleted, I can't get to it from the home page nor do I see it offered anywhere in the store, only find it via googling it.
loblaw said:
Could you show me where they are selling the extended download service you are referencing? And I think you actually aren't reading that bit right. When you bought the extended download service, you were allowed to download the game for 5 years. If you didn't buy it, you only got like 6 months or a year. This was back when they were partnered with Digital River, which was years ago.
szaromir said:
There's a world of difference. Valve has no incentive to bring their titles to other DD services as its service has a larger audience so it would be absurd to give a margin of the sale price to other DD providers. EA taking out their games could make sense if Origin had a significant user base which is not the case. As it is at the moment this kind of decision on EA's is just absurd.
I dont care which store its on, steam is no better than anywhere else.
The only thing which matters to me is pricing...if you price new games at 70-90USD for Australians then we wont buy your games on Origin/Steam or where ever else you sell them for those prices.
Likely outcome for BF3 is...
Origin $70-90USD
Origin keys sold on other DD for <$50USD
The only thing which matters to me is pricing...if you price new games at 70-90USD for Australians then we wont buy your games on Origin/Steam or where ever else you sell them for those prices.
Likely outcome for BF3 is...
Origin $70-90USD
Origin keys sold on other DD for <$50USD
Make sure to pre-order it from Amazon for added disrespect!Iztli said:yay ^^ I'm gonna buy the retail version of BF3thnx for the help ea
loblaw: That isn't true, and hasn't been for years. I don't know why it's still in the EA Store/Origin TOS, though - maybe they just forgot to take it out?
Nirolak: Do we actually have any kind of statement from either Valve or EA regarding this affair? Would help to clear the air somewhat, because all we have right now is a game that's disappeared from Steam and lots of feverish speculation.
Some of them are if the games can reliably sell elsewhere - see Starcraft 2 and WoW. Don't be surprised to see more of such examples as time goes on. Paradox have their own DD store (and have had for a long time) and decide to publish their stuff on Steam as it is a great outlet for them, but games that are going to have strong marketing push (TOR or BF3) might require you to purchase them elsewhere, just like Valve requires you to buy their games on Steam as their games are marketed enough that they don't need any presence elsewhere (Steam's huge marketshare notwithstanding).cicero said:
It's not as their games have huge consumer awareness.
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noise36 said:
Steam isn't better? LOL. Well different strokes for different folks I suppose.
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noise36 said:
Same here. I go where it's cheapest, and most often it's GamersGate - it doesn't artificially inflate prices for NZ, unlike Origin which sells most games at $US90. LOL good luck EA.
For example, I can get Alice Madness Returns from GG for NZ$50, or $NZ110 on Origin... hmmm.
If they make games Origin exclusive, well, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
EA has offered little more than half-assed excuses when interviewers have brought up their recent anti-Steam behavior. So no official confirmation of a strategy change even though it's obvious to, well, everyone.Dambrosi said:
Right. Except for how it really is better than any other client on the market. Far better, even.noise36 said:
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XeroSauce said:
What I find interesting (again, assuming that the title is accurate) is EA is basically removing product and profit from Valve by doing this and yet Valve at least as of yet hasn't ended its relationship with EA for distributing its games retail even for console versions. Why? Valve is smart. They aren't going to bite their nose to spite their face. EA seems to be doing just that.
ZombieSupaStar said:
The more I think about it, the more obvious this is not accurate anymore. This is nowhere in the actual TOS for using Origin. And it's that TOS you agree too, not some hidden website on their store. Users never agree to this (unless it's somewhere else int he store that you also have to agree too, but I can't find it anywhere.)
In the actual TOS relevant to Origin, they do say if you don't use it for 24 months they may cancel your account. Which again is weird and scary.
LovingSteam said:
You are assuming they're going to lose money. I think you're probably right, but it's not actually proven yet. It is conceivable (even if we all think it is unlikely) that they'll actually make more money from this venture.
ClovingWestbrook
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Salazar said:
The fact its still up on D2D and GG says otherwise. I am still waiting for EA's statement on this.
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While Origin doesn't actually suck, I wish I could just use one service to have all my PC games.
This just kinda frustrates me to have to maintain two services with games.
I'll probably just use Origin like I did EA Download Manager and then launch all games through Steam anyways.
This just kinda frustrates me to have to maintain two services with games.
I'll probably just use Origin like I did EA Download Manager and then launch all games through Steam anyways.
Freeza Under The Shower
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You guys do realise that Salsashark may have the correct answer over in the Steam topic, which is that Crysis 2 might have been taken down because they ran out of keys, right?
This is rather big thread for such an open 'jump to conclusions' topic.
This is rather big thread for such an open 'jump to conclusions' topic.
ClovingWestbrook
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Salazar said:
Where does that page say its only on Origin but still on D2D and GG? Oh yea...
cicero
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The point I was responding to was your assertion that "the publishers might have an active interest to teach the consumers to look for games in other places so that they're not too reliable on one store in case anything bad happen." The idea that this is part of some lesson is silly.szaromir said:
I would prefer if I could buy Valve games on GG or GOG or whenever. I would prefer if no PC games had any sort of DRM, aka no securom, no steamworks, no uplay etc. But it's impossible and I need to decide in every individual case if the contract that publishers offer me is a suitable option for me. The world isn't ideal, everybody is defending their interests and I'm not going to blindly stand by any side.Corto said:
ClovingWestbrook
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Salazar said:
What does the page say? It says its only on Origin. Is it on D2D and GG? Yes? Then it's not only on Origin and therefore that page is incorrect.
regarding the thought that they might have just run out of keys ...
i've had that happen to me once on Steam, where when i bought something it said that they ran out of keys. it gave a message stating that they'd issue me a key as soon as possible ...something to that effect.
anyway, that didn't cause them to completely take down the store page for that particular game tho.
so the fact that the store page for Crysis 2 is completely gone, and gone for the last handful of hours is interesting.
i've had that happen to me once on Steam, where when i bought something it said that they ran out of keys. it gave a message stating that they'd issue me a key as soon as possible ...something to that effect.
anyway, that didn't cause them to completely take down the store page for that particular game tho.
so the fact that the store page for Crysis 2 is completely gone, and gone for the last handful of hours is interesting.
I don't buy games on DD unless they are less than 20 anyway. Steam pulled the exact same tactic to get people on Steam with HL2 and everyone threw a hissy fit. If they had made Steam optional, it probably wouldn't exist today.
Let's be honest, Steam was so bad it was malware when it first was released, and I didn't even bother with HL2 until years later because of it.
Let's be honest, Steam was so bad it was malware when it first was released, and I didn't even bother with HL2 until years later because of it.
LocoMrPollock
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How come I can't buy Portal1+2, L4D1+2, Team Fortress 2 or the Half-Life games on any other DD service? Damn, Valve is super evil and greedy! Fuck them!
coopolon said:
I think they'll ultimately make more money. EA has to sell 43% more games on Steam to generate the same amount of revenue that it does by selling them itself.
Assume EA intends to make $350 of revenue from a $50 title. On the EA store it would need to sell seven copies. On Steam, it would need to sell ten. Get that into the hundreds of thousands or millions of copies and you are looking at an incredible incentive to do it yourself.
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