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Democratic Primary Debate VI: Raid Time 2/11 9PM EST
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Oh hello! Tonight should be fun, I think.
The Librarian
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If Bernie stops spouting his nonsense about a revolution, sure.
Hilary specifically said she was a progressive in one speech and then in the other said she was a moderate, he's running a campaign and has to do whatever it takes to win, in fact I wish he was harder on her because he's had chances to be harder but it won't happen.
Making that distinction is far from terrible imo.
Edit:I do have problems with him though
I meant I look forward to your very pointed comments in relation to what's being said at the debate.
In relation to the previous comment, it's most definitely a revolution. One that starts in the minds and hearts of the voters.
Neuromancer
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The gloves are coming off tonight, I can feel it.
The Librarian
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there's no revolution going on, dude
ginger ninja
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another one ? How many fucking debates are there ?
As one of 77 senators to vote for Iraq, she is Senatorially responsible for 1/77th of the 175,000 documented Iraqi civilian deaths, or at most 2,300 dead.
Bernie was 1 of 10 senators who cosponsored a resolution asking "the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory", which ultimately culminated in UN resolutions resulting in action to pressure Gaddafi to step down. Casualties ranged as high as 25,000, fully 2500 of which can thus logically be traced directly to Senator Sanders.
I ask you, who is the bigger monster?
People complained that 6 Dem debates weren't enough, so now there's 10. Which means after this one, there's 4 more.
Trivia!
There were more than 20 Dem primary debates in 1988 (but there were more candidates to sort through).
One SNL sketch that year opened with the moderator saying to the viewers, "Welcome to the, what.. 53rd(!?) Democratic debate."
Noooooo!
Prodigal Son
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Here we go. Good start, y'all.
Should be a good debate.
I'm curious to see what happens now that the Sanders campaign needs to tune its message towards a wider constituency, given that the Democratic bases of New Hampshire and Iowa mirror his own in Vermont (we've seen a little bit of this this past week, and I'm underwhelmed). I'm curious to see if Hillary can come up with a coherent message for her campaign that she's otherwise lacked.
I think things are a lot harder for Sanders going forward than I've seen some expression on on GAF, but I also think he's running a (thus far) great campaign.
I'm curious to see what happens now that the Sanders campaign needs to tune its message towards a wider constituency, given that the Democratic bases of New Hampshire and Iowa mirror his own in Vermont (we've seen a little bit of this this past week, and I'm underwhelmed). I'm curious to see if Hillary can come up with a coherent message for her campaign that she's otherwise lacked.
I think things are a lot harder for Sanders going forward than I've seen some expression on on GAF, but I also think he's running a (thus far) great campaign.
A Human Becoming
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Having voted Tuesday and spent a lot of time since November volunteering for a campaign I'm not excited about this one in the least. Now the Republican debates on the other hand...
Everyone loves a good shit-show
Good lord.
The Librarian
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Tell that to Bernie.
Dude Abides
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Voting for someone isn't a revolution. It's like, the opposite.
Battersea Power Station
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He's not collecting Pokémon, bruh. We're dealing with real people.
legacyzero
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Yep, that's Wisconsin.
Of course, which is why I'm interested in how he continues spreading his message.
Depends on how you look at it.
Obama turned out 104,815 voters to vote for him in the 08 NH primary.
Sanders turned out 151,578 to vote for him last week.
Plus Sanders had to compete with Trump for independent voters, and media attention .
Could do her in like 2008. I think she's already concerned that Bernie came up out of nowhere.
Battersea Power Station
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Sooo... I'm curious. There's this narrative now that the Clinton campaign is in what is described as anywhere from a scramble to a panic.
Guys like (not picking on them but the names just stick in my mind) Amir0x and B-Dubs on GAF are constantly pointing out that anyone who understands politics knows that Sanders has no chance, and if you think he does you're ignorant.
So what's the deal? Is the Clinton campaign actually worried or is that just a myth? If they are, are they uneducated on US politics? Have Sanders' chances in the southeast changed at all?
Macho Madness
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We'll know more by the end of the weekend. It's too early to tell if he's making significant strides at this moment.
I feel that way too. It's like an ad for free-tuition and $15 already
Septimus Prime
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You're not going to get a usable answer, since everyone's too entrenched. You'd actually be better off asking RepublicanGAF or EuroGAF.
BoboBrazil
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Republicans want Bernie to win the nomination. That should tell you all you need to know.
The Librarian
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Wrong!
1) There were only two nominees this time. In '08, there were eight.
2) Overall turnout -- as in, the amount of people voting for all the candidates -- was down from '08.
CrazedProfessional
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Bernie is a self described socialist. Americans hate the word. The superdelegates are set in stone and there has been no movement towards Bernie in SC. Its a really bleak scenario for his campaign and the only reason he keeps going is because of dellusions of starting a political revolution.
Tesseract
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are we going in circles, or what
Conventional wisdom says that there's no chance that Sanders wins.
The problem is that this election season has thrown conventional wisdom out the window, especially on the Republican side. It's still unlikely that Bernie will win, but this year there's a sense that anything can happen.
Which makes for exciting times indeed.
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From my EuroGAF perspective I can tell you the media here is finally treating Bernie as a legitimate candidate as opposed to a curiosity. Other than that ¯\_(ツ
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Greatest OP.
And DEMS want Trump. They are both clueless, since Bernie and Trump are the biggest threat for the other party.
And DEMS want Trump. They are both clueless, since Bernie and Trump are the biggest threat for the other party.
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