jediyoshi
Member
You mean fuck people? Why do you hate people? So much hate, Cartman86.
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You mean fuck people? Why do you hate people? So much hate, Cartman86.
It's clearly the best, it exposes people for what they really are.
This is not an issue that can be resolved on a gaming message board. On-average sex differences in cognition and motivation are very complex and have been the focus of intense study for decades.
I would only remind you that while gender is a "social construct," you should ask yourself why humans tend to create only particular social constructs and some social constructs more consistently than others.
Edit - But I should be clear that I'm commenting on a broader scientific issue rather than Gabe's comments. I'm talking only about on-average psychological differences between self-identified men and women.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Well one is thought crime and absurd to even discuss. I don't expect perfection. I used to hold views I find quite bad today. I expect people to correct them though.
I want to hear this as well.
Mister Negative
Member
someone who is cisgendered identifies with their biological sex. I am a male who identifies as a male, I am cisgendered.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
I'm not even sure if I'm being attacked from the right or the left here but the fact is that gender is, literally by definition, a subjective category. That's something everyone has to deal with. There's nothing to argue here.
uhm
sex = biology
gender = social construct
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How is that usually accepted distinction "flat earth" tier? You're being needlessly hostile.
I agree with you. I think its ridiculous. Everyone should be allowed their own opinion on a subject and arguing with them to convince them otherwise is just as ignorant as you feel their opinion was in the first place.
Maybe they aren't the intended market? Maybe, just maybe, you don't have to accept everyone to be a successful company? Should I be unquestioningly accepted at a Women's Health clinic meeting for abused women, even though I'm a white 20-something male? Just points to consider.
A person's bioogical sex is a fairly straightforward anatomical thing in most cases. Gender, however, is a social construct that's meant different things to different people over the years.
It's not "PC out of control" to separate those words any more than separating the ideas of race, ethnicity, heritage, etc.
ProfessorMoran
Member
He probably doesn't care but at least he doesn't pretend that he knows because he wouldn't be able to know unless he has transgender friends.
I think we're getting to the point where every word everybody says is so scrutinized for not being inclusive enough, anything that is construed as insensitive basically has the potential of setting a whole bunch of people off and can potentially end your career and ruin your life, are we supposed to call every single biological woman a "cis" woman now? How do we use the word "he" or "she" if a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man without accidentally offending people? Do we now live in a world where people are not allowed to hold conservative views anymore lest they want to be viewed as bigots?
FutureZombie
Banned
His only mistake is trying to reason with the extreme left. Never try to reason with the extreme left; they can't see through their intense hatred. They're the angriest people on the planet.
Schnozberry
Member
Who does he have a responsibility to exactly? Nobody has to take his opinion seriously, and he's not in a position of authority over anyone. He does have a bit of notoriety because a lot of people enjoy his comics and commentary, but to me this reads like a guy who got defensive about his own ignorance, and it was a mistake he later admitted.
I do my best not to prejudge people, and sometimes I'm a miserable failure at it. I think if I made some of my own interpersonal mistakes publicly, that a lot of people would think less of me. I'd hope that people would forgive me for my errors, and he seems pretty sincere about admitting that he was the asshole here, so I'll do the same for him. I don't have a lot of patience with people who are seemingly looking for a reason to be offended, and I think some people were in this situation.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
But why? Why did he need to take such a hard line on it? Why couldn't he just listen to people not liking the purely physiological definition?
If people have problems with such a definition, why is it such a terrible request to have that changed?
AngelsDontBurn
Banned
badcrumble
Member
Phobia translates literally to fear, but in the clinical-psychological sense it has always meant 'aversion,' which is spot-on. It's the right term, and it doesn't mean terror.
David H Wong
Banned
THAT's considered offensive now?
Give me a fucking break. People are so absolutely desperate to be offended. Get over yourselves.
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The Everyman
ah, thanks.
djplaeskool
Member
I hope I'm not offending anyone by admitting that a lot of this seems unneedingly complex...or at the very least, there is some uncommon knowledge that should be disseminated.
Ditto.
I believe Gabe is on the record for acknowledging people as the gender they want to be known for. He is defending hos right to still think otherwise and express that in broad terms even if he'll be polite at an individual level.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
*Rolls eyes* I dont see the transphobia here. At all. In fact quite the reverse.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Women can have penises. Men can have vaginas. Sometimes people are born with genitalia that don't neartly fit in either of the two binary gender constructs.
We need to validate and honor peoples' gender identities, regardless of what they're packing in their pants.
We need to validate and honor peoples' gender identities, regardless of what they're packing in their pants.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Really?
How are his comments any better or less deserving of criticism than if he said, "I think men should be attracted only to women and vice versa," or "I think white people should only reproduce with other white people."
It's bigotry and intolerance. Saying that you won't recognize someone's psychological identity because you have certain views is not something to be accepted in my opinion. You're causing mental anguish just for the sake of being stubborn.
cis = not trans. That's the three word explanation.
Not all trans people want surgery and a lot of those who do can't afford it (it's very expensive). There are also those who can't have surgery because of physical disability.
To say "if you have a vagina you are a woman" deliberately to wind up trans people is douchebag behaviour.
Not all trans people want surgery and a lot of those who do can't afford it (it's very expensive). There are also those who can't have surgery because of physical disability.
To say "if you have a vagina you are a woman" deliberately to wind up trans people is douchebag behaviour.
David H Wong
Banned
Yes, who could forget his comic in which he made fun of a person for failing to come to the aid of a male rape victim.
Clearly that means he loves and promotes rape.
Christ, people get so incredibly addicted to outrage that they just go hunting for it anywhere. It's a miserable way to live your life.
Mr.Monitor
Member
I've seen "cis" used not only as a descriptor, but as an insult. It can have negative connotations to some people. Doesn't personally bother me but I can see why some people have a problem with the term.
Anyways, videogames. Both sides should stop getting their undergarments of choice in a bunch.
badcrumble
Member
lmao
Because the most vocal and closed minded people are the ones who disagree with that statement. To hold certain gender beliefs, which are opposite from the most vocal, will always be considered wrong.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Are you saying that transgendered people have no right to have objections to things? Are you debating the validity of transgendered people in general? Or are you just sweeping the complaints under the rug of "hysterical offended people" and dismissing their comments?
So you are suggesting that the Penny Arcade Expo should not be welcoming to trans people? Would you say the same about gay people? Or people of color? My post was only to suggest that being inclusive could be good for business. In the end my motivations are in empathy for other human beings. I really don't care about their unethical business.
DinnerRevealer
Neo Member
Also just so everybody's clear, cis- just means the opposite of trans-, which is why it's been co-opted into this context. I leared about it in chemistry, don't know where else its used. It has to do with orientation of organic molecules.
_/ = cis
_/ = trans
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It's like how pro is the opposite of con. You're not going to say trans-people/normal people or natural or whatever because normal and natural imply that the opposite is a negative thing.
_/ = cis
_/ = trans
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It's like how pro is the opposite of con. You're not going to say trans-people/normal people or natural or whatever because normal and natural imply that the opposite is a negative thing.
No, semantically, you really did describe biological sex.
It's a sociological term: sex refers to physiology, but gender refers to role. There's a lot of literature out there, but in essence, it's what the sociological community uses to distinguish these elements when in discussion.
THAT's considered offensive now?
Give me a fucking break. People are so absolutely desperate to be offended. Get over yourselves.
This. I can't understand this at all. I feel like everyone is so freaking overly sensitive.
Circle Jerk
Member
I don't understand why people are offended, therefore there is nothing offensive about what is being said is a really fucking stupid argument.
THAT's considered offensive now?
Give me a fucking break. People are so absolutely desperate to be offended. Get over yourselves.
Sure. Totally what that controversy was really about...
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I have provided you with the dictionary definition of gender. It would be nice to see you acknowledge that.
Hexa
Member
THAT's considered offensive now?
Give me a fucking break. People are so absolutely desperate to be offended. Get over yourselves.
I know right.
What are people going to get offended at next?
Some doctor getting yelled at by the parents when he calls a baby a boy due to the ultrasound...
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I think you're making some pretty big assumptions about how people live their day to day lives. I also hope you're never offended about anything and look to other people for sympathy.
Tummi Gummi
Member
On the blog Gabe quite openly said to the trans coworker "if you want to be treated as a woman, I'll treat you as a woman, no fuss". What he added was that doesn't change your underlying physical state. But apparently, even distinguishing between sex/gender isn't enough anymore.
doublenagger
Banned
Nothing, just someone stating facts. A bit bluntly, disregarding the more complex variables. But twitter is short and only allows for reactionary posts.
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The Everyman
that's true, and i dont mind calling people whatever they want, that's harmless enough. but gabe seems to be talking about sex rather than gender, no?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
If he was trying to be understood, he would have made an effort to communicate better. Instead, he started arguing and hard lining.