Circle Jerk
Member
Transgendered people are all just men who want to have babies and are fighting against reality. Wow. But good job getting your idea of transgendered people from a comedy movie made in the 70's.
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Did something happen with PAX or Penny Arcade today?
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Transgendered people are all just men who want to have babies and are fighting against reality. Wow. But good job getting your idea of transgendered people from a comedy movie made in the 70's.
Lol yes you did. Common n00b mistake but it happens. There's a version of this thread with a bunch of same-y replies and gifs waiting if you log back into normal gaf.
I have no idea if he is at risk of being murdered or not. What I do know is that taking death threats lightly and downplaying the life of another human being tells me more about you than I ever wanted to know.
doublenagger
Banned
Sure. Personal death threats are not serious or important.
I think he's very religious. Or at least, judgmental. I once wrote a blog on being an atheist and he wrote me to say that he'd be praying for my soul (unironically). Also, I think he believes in angels.
Deified Data
Banned
Opened it expecting a typical overreaction to an innocent piece of tasteless humor...
Yep, that's definitely transphobic. That's a shame. PA is a pretty good strip and the guys do a lot of good work through PAX and Child's Play. You'd think you'd know when to shut your mouth about subjects you know nothing about, but I guess Gabe was never the brains of the duo.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Not what was said.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
That's how things usually go down these days when it comes to offensive internet outrages. You got one side using a word or phrase completely neutrally which they had no idea could be interpreted as offensive, then you got another side being offended. In the end, both sides end up looking like assholes because neither tries to understand and/or educate the other on their views.
Some of you people astound me.
I wouldn't argue that the initial comment could be him speaking about stuff in terms of sex, while Trans people saw it as terms of Gender. That would be an issue of miscommunication. He could've clarified and things would probably still end badly, but less badly. Instead, things just went to hell.
I feel like there's too much "label abuse": people using their orientation or whatnot to get what they what, then crying hate when things don't go their way. As an example, I wanted my boyfriend to stay a few nights in my dorm room, but my roommate preferred that he didn't. I figured he thought it would be uncomfortable with 3 of us cramped in a small dorm and dropped it. Then my mom came along and started sending somewhat angry emails to him, accusing him of being homophobic for "refusing" to let my BF stay in the room. And she talked to some higher-ups at the college and threatened to call an LGBT organization if she had to (no joke). My roommate then stayed at his friend's house for a week.
At no point was anything offensive said by him, but then came a s***storm anyway. My roommate was actually a nice guy too. It was disheartening to see how much one little bit of information about someone (which shouldn't even be a big deal) can be turned into a tool to get what you want.
At no point was anything offensive said by him, but then came a s***storm anyway. My roommate was actually a nice guy too. It was disheartening to see how much one little bit of information about someone (which shouldn't even be a big deal) can be turned into a tool to get what you want.
Yes. No one cares. Except everyone in this thread or responding to him online.
Come on dude.
Edit: ::Reads the last 3 pages of this thread::
Nope. I'm outta here. You people are overly emotionally and letting your rage about someone's words on twitter cloud your judgment. I suggest you all take a break, come back in an hour, and try again. This thread is Anita Sarkessian thread levels of bad.
These are the comments that bug me the worst. If people disagree with things and want to express their disagreement in rational ways, I'm always up for that. Comments like this, however, just instantly dismiss the entire conversation, when it's a conversation that is very, very important to the group of people who are involved.
KojiKnight
Member
This sums up my feeling on this as well (thank you for saying it by the way).
That said, the only real problem I have with this whole situation is how it became a forum for argument instead of one for discussion (err not Gaf, but in general).
doublenagger
Banned
I don't see the lack of universality of a distinction warranting "flat earth tier" remarks about its usage, is what I'm getting at.
Mr.Monitor
Member
Just wanna drop in and say thanks for posting such a level headed response. This thread needs more people like you.
Is your favorite philosopher Louis CK?
doublenagger
Banned
Hollow death threats are stupid but they are just that, hollow. Meaningless and just you trying to derail this topic.
Trans people are murdered all the time for being trans. That's real and what people should really be outraged about, not some millionaire getting shit on twitter.
EmCeeGramr
Member
"Every person that has a vagina should be called a woman"
NullPointer
Member
People cannot force others to see them clearly when they may be confused about their own natures themselves. Its not "hurtful" to think a guy dressed up as a girl is a guy dressed up as a girl. There's no way to tell at a distance (or even close up) whether one is just being playful or if that's a core part of their identity.
Hurtful is shunning or berating someone for their choices.
Hurtful is shunning or berating someone for their choices.
People have been killed for exercising their free expression before. Quite a bit. It's not trivial. That you tossed in the irrelevant "millionaire" speaks volumes.
Gabe did not threaten any trans people, but we should be worried about their safety.
Gabe was threatened, but we shouldn't care even a tiny bit. Got it.
I'm not sure it's so much that as comparing them to mentally ill folk that makes people point out that he is acting like a twat.
NoirVisage
Banned
I agree with this post,
I got a ban for voicing my thoughts on the matter, I know better now, and will bow out and just watch the discussion.
UncleSporky
Member
This is very true.
I think many people are unwilling to give up the ability to assume something about someone based on some typically very clear signs. Imagining a future where it's considered impolite and improper to ever say "excuse me, sir?" or "she's good looking," because your assumptions have a 10% chance of being wrong and using the wrong pronoun might offend.
doublenagger
Banned
People who receive death threats are also murdered all the time.
You're downplaying one issue to make another issue look worse.
That's what's disgusting here. You're pretending that death threats are unimportant, when they are, no matter who's receiving them. I'm not derailing a topic, simply reminding you that death threats are serious, doesn't matter who receives them.
badcrumble
Member
Really, when you think about it, Gabe is exactly the same as the dude in the famous Tiananmen Square photograph.
Tummi Gummi
Member
No. They defended it for quite a while, but backed down from the t-shirts after one of the panellists stated she'd boycott if they appeared. So they asked people not to come in the t-shirts.
And I believe Gabe called out that tumblr for idiotic shit like "innocently" reporting that he had a singer who happened to be a rape survivor in his iPod playlist, implying he was taunting rape victims by playing that song.
Death threats are rarely anything to concern yourself with. It's mostly people trying to get a rise out of you. Remember, if they are threatening, they aren't doing. It's the stalkers you have to watch out for, and there's usually a long history of contact before they become violent.
Wait, what facts are we talking about.
Deified Data
Banned
That's...not really the point. Gender identity is more than your genitalia. Some former males identify as women and prefer to keep their old equipment, and vice versa. I think it's only respectful to call them by their preferred pronoun. It doesn't take any mental gymnastics or extra effort on my part to do so. That's why it sort of comes off as nasty when people stubbornly refuse to call a "her" a "her" regardless of her genitals. They're actively going out of their way to be frustrating.
Circle Jerk
Member
Literally no one is worried about that except for idiots who think having a sliver of respect for people different than you is an infringement on their own personal rights and freedoms.
Huw_Dawson
Member
This man is bigoted and a moron. It's not up to him to decide who is or isn't part of a gender, and holding the opinion he expressed is only marginally less disgusting than expressing it in public.
KojiKnight
Member
I know that this is true... but do you have any facts beyond simply "it happens every day"? Surely we have some statistics from western countries. I'm truly curious if anyone has any hard numbers on this.
BobbyRobby
Member
i agree that the gaming community/press seem really desperate to be taken seriously. it's shows a lot of insecurity.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Now that EmiPrime has elaborated on his statement, I wish to publicly apologize and state that I was wrong and you were right. But only on EmiPrime's post, not on your extrapolations.
Velcro Fly
Member
I think it's a little bit of ignorance coupled with substituting biological stuff with how you actually identify. For a majority of people, biological gender and how you identify in every day life is the same so you just sort of gloss over it when it isn't. You just have to be careful how you phrase things, especially on the internet where things like tone and body language aren't there as clues to what you really mean.
jediyoshi
Member
What's the distinction between hollow death threats and the other kind? What did Penny Arcade say to the effect of death threats to trans people?
True true.
Circle Jerk
Member
but thats exactly what youre doing but in reverse
Lee Chaolan
Member
I'm not trans, but I found it offensive as well. Looks like he back peddled and apologized a bit, shame the ignorance is as thick as it is when it comes out though.
When we pair up a comment saying "I don't respect you as a person" and another one saying "I believe you deserve to die" I don't think it's hard to identify the more serious offense. Doesn't mean either of them is OK to say, obviously.
I was with you on the death threats being a pretty serious thing, but are you honestly incapable of arguing your point without being offensive yourself?
I was with you on the death threats being a pretty serious thing, but are you honestly incapable of arguing your point without being offensive yourself?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Oh, wouldn't that be horrendous if I got corrected every once in a while? Woe is me. We must make sure that transgendered people can never change language because if they could, oh, I shudder to think of the possibilities!
JeTmAn81
Member
Except for your analogy to make sense, 99% of people would have to be white. In which case most people probably would consider their race "just normal".
I do too, believe me. I was just pointing out that this wasn't all about "others" who have no representation on GAF.
Illithid Dude
Member
Yeah. It was early on when they moved in together. And for all the people saying that Mike is just a deist, that may be true now, but that's only because he has become more open minded (though not completely so as these tweets show).