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DNC agrees to give Sanders greater influence over party platform

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Koomaster

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What is he giving in return? Perhaps remain a Democrat instead of running 3rd party and handing the election to Trump. Last I heard, Trump's numbers are going up, and Hilary's are going down. It's not going to be the blowout people expect.
Don't care if he's a democrat or not. In fact I'd prefer him leave the party as he's not made any friends. He's really not welcome so he can leave. He can't run 3rd party at this point and he knows if he did he'd possibly be sacrificing the election to Trump. Again, I'd like to see him do it because it would keep proving how much like scum he is knowing the possible outcome. Those polls are irrelevant now other than to drive viewership to those who don't know any better.

So yeah, he's not giving anything in return at this point so I don't see why the DNC is giving him anything. Really should just continue to ignore him like the inconsequential flea that he is.
 
So basically a real progressive platform will never come to be in America. All you hear from Hilary people is "well its just not realistic! But one day! one day we'll get there!" lol yeah, one day.

Keep feedin that bullshit to the people who seem to be perfectly fine with how things are. The only reason i'd vote for someone like Hildawg is the supreme court. that is literally my own deciding factor. Because just her being there will all but ensure we remain with a split government and thus nothing she even dreams of doing will get passed.




Yeah that minor issue. but hey both groups are the same.

To completely flip the way major institutions in this country run such as the healthcare system or college tuition payments in a single election cycle is a pipe dream with the way the government is currently constructed. There is a party in this country called the GOP that just so happens to control the majority of the House of Representatives, most of the governorship's, and a large portion of state House and Senate seats. Their entire purpose is to push the brakes as hard and as long as possible when a progressive idea is brought to the table and when given the chance roll back on any progressive ideas that did manage to sneak by.

You dont get progressive legislation passed by simply electing Bernie and saying Go. The first thing that needs to happen is progressives need to start voting in every single election that takes place. That means even when a chosen candidate doesnt promise you exactly what you want you still show up and vote!
 

Kin5290

Member
How so?

His grassroots movement has gotten further against the established two-party system than anyone before. Last time Nader ran, he had something like 3% of the vote. If at anything, he as a atheist, socialist independent lone wolf who was also an unknown has brought up a massive topic of conversation since this election started.
As far as political activism goes it has really been historic. I'd say he has gotten something done by simply running. It's not cool to downplay what he has achieved what a weird turn of events it has been. Relatively speaking being behind by 3 million votes is still a very impressive victory, given everything he has had against him.
I'm sorry, did Obama not win in 2008?

What is up with with his "grassroots campaign" nonsense. Sanders can't even gather a fraction of the old Obama coalition, and his strength lies in liberal college students (who are overwhelming white) and disaffected working class whites. Some grassroots movement. A first term Senator did better than he did.
 

BanGy.nz

Banned
Wait, Sanders agreed to a Fox News debate? What the hell is he thinking? Such a thing would ultimately hurt both of them.
He did it just after the Nevada state convention when he was at his maximum pettiness. So I expect he was thinking something along the lines of 'FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU'.
 
Don't care if he's a democrat or not. In fact I'd prefer him leave the party as he's not made any friends. He's really not welcome so he can leave. He can't run 3rd party at this point and he knows if he did he'd possibly be sacrificing the election to Trump. Again, I'd like to see him do it because it would keep proving how much like scum he is knowing the possible outcome. Those polls are irrelevant now other than to drive viewership to those who don't know any better.

So yeah, he's not giving anything in return at this point so I don't see why the DNC is giving him anything. Really should just continue to ignore him like the inconsequential flea that he is.

Did uncle Bernie touch you on a no-no spot when you were younger?

This seems oddly personal for you. Hard to take post like this seriously. But I'll keep an eye out on the #bernieorbust peeps. They're the irrational ones.
 

AxelFoley

Member
I'm sorry, did Obama not win in 2008?

What is up with with his "grassroots campaign" nonsense. Sanders can't even gather a fraction of the old Obama coalition, and his strength lies in liberal college students (who are overwhelming white) and disaffected working class whites. Some grassroots movement. A first term Senator did better than he did.


Boom.
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
GAF is surprisingly rather angry towards Sanders. Considering the type of crowds he usually drew and how I imagine it overlapped to my imagination of what GAF crowds are like, it's somewhat surprising to see.
 

danm999

Member
He did it just after the Nevada state convention when he was at his maximum pettiness. So I expect he was thinking something along the lines of 'FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU'.

It's a ploy to paint her as chicken. There cannot be any realistic belief in the Sanders campaign she would agree.
 

Toxi

Banned
What is he giving in return? Perhaps remain a Democrat instead of running 3rd party and handing the election to Trump. Last I heard, Trump's numbers are going up, and Hilary's are going down. It's not going to be the blowout people expect.
I'm sorry, what?
 
GAF is surprisingly rather angry towards Sanders. Considering the type of crowds he usually drew and how I imagine it overlapped to my imagination of what GAF crowds are like, it's somewhat surprising to see.

It really is. I get that there's a difference of opinion , but there's some real vitriol here.
 

AxelFoley

Member
GAF is surprisingly rather angry towards Sanders. Considering the type of crowds he usually drew and how I imagine it overlapped to my imagination of what GAF crowds are like, it's somewhat surprising to see.

Amazing that he has all those crowds, but it's not translating into votes.

Welp.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
GAF is surprisingly rather angry towards Sanders. Considering the type of crowds he usually drew and how I imagine it overlapped to my imagination of what GAF crowds are like, it's somewhat surprising to see.

Lately? Yes, very yes. He's continued to act like the reason he's losing is "corruption and conspiracy" and rile up his angry base in the process. He's continued to raise money from people, famously small donations from groups like students, despite the impossibility of his victory at this point. He's made only the most cursory of efforts towards supporting other Deomcracts who would be essential to realize his agenda. He's continued to act like "students protesting outside the governors office" is going to be a revolution. He's had nine months on the national stage to add substance to his platform, and he's still running on a bevy of platitudes and empty promises. He has stances on things like GMO labelling, gun control, and global trade that I actively find anti-progressive.

His campaign as a whole displays a shockingly close minded and inflexible attitude. I encourage anyone who hasn't yet to read this piece by a disabled former supporter: https://shiksappeal.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/berned-by-bernie-sanders/

So I began contacting the campaign as early as the fall to advise them on their disability outreach failures, as well as to communicate grave concerns the community was having with some on his policies. I tried every possible method of communication from emailing the campaign through the website and contacting them through social media, to direct emails and text messages to top political directors, including Jeff Weaver, BEGGING them to respond. I also discovered that I was not the only disability activist experiencing this very frustration with the campaign.

After weeks of being ignored, the day after the New York elections, I sent one final message to the campaign saying that I was going to withdraw my support and advise the community to do the same if they didn’t care enough to even respond to our pleas for representation. Finally, his political director, Billy Gendell, a non-disabled male, responded by scheduling a phone call with me. I was finally hopeful once again, but what came next was personally devastating. I began the conversation about the issues the community is having with his lack of rhetoric and lack of inclusion for people with disabilities, as I delineated in my emails. I sincerely wanted to help the campaign improve.

However, he quickly interrupted me from giving them advice, despite knowing my credentials and insisted that I get to my policy questions. But he asked that the answers remain “off-the-record” so that I could not share them with the community that was asking them. His answers provided no new information or specific methods by which to initiate these broad ideas. The only policy answer that wasn’t “off the record” was Bernie’s official statement on the opioid issue, sent to me via email. It said that chronic pain sufferers should seek yoga or guided meditation to ease our suffering.

...

The feeling of devastating disappointment and betrayal sank in. The thought of considering Clinton felt hypocritical of me. I told myself, “How can I support someone who probably cares more about Wall Street than me?” But I certainly couldn’t consider Donald Trump, who mocks disabled people and assumes we’re stupid enough to think that’s not what he was doing. So, begrudgingly, I told a Hillary supporter with a disability that I was now considering supporting Hillary. He immediately introduced me via email to a blind Clinton staffer. Within literally minutes, she emailed me at 9 p.m. saying she would like to speak to me about the campaign. I was so encouraged by how quickly they responded, after the months I was ignored by Bernie.

At this point? Yes, I am angry at him
 
The post he responded to had a good point. Many Hillary supports on GAF use that exact argument against Bernie, basically saying "it isn't realistic" while at the same time many recognize that isn't how people get Democrats/liberals to even vote.

The democrats simply aren't liberal enough in many Bernie supporter's eyes.

Whether you disagree with this or not, does not make it stupid. When you post something in a sarcastic manor just because you don't like a point, then that is stupid.



Well you can and so can the Democrats do more to push a more forward policy for the country. At least actually say so. When everyone is saying status quo, that shows just how bad the political system has stagnated.

You still have to win consecutively in order to get more done. When you don't win you start giving things up. If you wait, you lose.
 

NimbusD

Member
Amazing that he has all those crowds, but it's not translating into votes.

Welp.

People keep saying that, but it's translated into more than enough votes to let a 'fringe' candidate have substantial influence over the part platform. He's done a pretty good job for himself imo.
 

Koomaster

Member
Did uncle Bernie touch you on a no-no spot when you were younger?

This seems oddly personal for you. Hard to take post like this seriously. But I'll keep an eye out on the #bernieorbust peeps. They're the irrational ones.
Great post; making light of child molestation. Just gonna add you to the growing ignore list if this is the quality of post you make.
 

Azzanadra

Member
This can only be a good thing, never really expected Sanders to win after New Hampshire.

The Sanders hate is kind of sad though, overall I think he has been a very positive figure and that his running was ultimately a good thing. Surprised at the Bernie-hate considering how liberal GAF is.

Also, just to comment on Bernie's continued running: while some may see it as damaging, I don't really think it will have much effect if any. Trump's existence alone is enough to bring people to the polls. But there does seem to be a divide between each of them actually believe and want to do, so its understandable. Maybe this is just because I am a Canadian (and therefore an outsider) but I would place Clinton to the right of the center while Sanders would be a centrist, maybe center-left.
 
I'm sorry, did Obama not win in 2008?

What is up with with his "grassroots campaign" nonsense. Sanders can't even gather a fraction of the old Obama coalition, and his strength lies in liberal college students (who are overwhelming white) and disaffected working class whites. Some grassroots movement. A first term Senator did better than he did.

Not only that but I'd argue it was Clinton and not Sanders who effectively used grassroots tactics.

While Sanders was holding and bragging about giant rallies on giant stages separated from the people, Clinton was going into communities meeting with community leaders, talking directly with people on a more intimate basis.

While Sanders was off on his campaign funded family trip to the Vatican, Clinton was in Harlem playing dominoes with folks and talking to them directly.
 
He's pretty much running a kamikaze campaign at this point.
The Bernie Sanders that Bernie Sanders supporters want me to believe exists would not sabotage this election for Democrats. He would not purposefully put minorities in harm's way via political quarreling with the DNC. He wouldn't send the Progressive cause back years and kill any hope of future progress in this country by knowingly engaging in any behavior that would assure a GOP Whitehouse. And if he would do those things, the Sanders that the Bernie Sanders campaign has been selling to the public is a fraud and there was never any reason for me to back him to begin with.
 
Amazing that he has all those crowds, but it's not translating into votes.

Welp.

This really doesn't address what he's saying though. Regardless if he has the votes or not, he's drawing crowds. The point is, he's drawing a lot of hate and anger here, which is a little bizarre. With the bitter grapes people seem to have, you'd think Hillary was the one that got kicked in the balls at the polls.

Great post; making light of child molestation. Just gonna add you to the growing ignore list if this is the quality of post you make.

Well Koomaster, it's going to be very hard for me to go to sleep at night now that you've brought that to my attention. I hope you find it in your heart to keep me off your ignore list.
 

Azzanadra

Member
The Bernie Sanders that Bernie Sanders supporters want me to believe exists would not sabotage this election for Democrats. He would not purposefully put minorities in harm's way via political quarreling with the DNC. He wouldn't send the Progressive cause back years and kill any hope of future progress in this country by knowingly engaging in any behavior that would assure a GOP Whitehouse. And if he would do those things, the Sanders that the Bernie Sanders campaign has been selling to the public is a fraud and there was never any reason for me to back him to begin with.

Do you really think rational Bernie supporters will turn to Trump? I think the Bernie supporters who will vote for Trump have already made up their minds in all honesty.
 
I'm baffled as to why DWS gets to pick 4 on her own, that means that Hillary + DWS gets 10 total and Bernie gets 5. I don't really know how the decision process works on writing the platform though. Maybe 5 is enough to ensure language goes into the platform that Bernie desires.
 
Do you really think rational Bernie supporters will turn to Trump? I think the Bernie supporters who will vote for Trump have already made up their minds in all honesty.

I know one couple on facebook that has said exactly this.

I don't think all Bernie supporters will just flip to Trump, but for some supporters, it's less about Democrats and Republican values, and more about disrupting the "system". Both Bernie and Trump would do that if elected. For one of them, the only difference between Bernie and Trump is that one is less racist than the other.
 
I'm baffled as to why DWS gets to pick 4 on her own, that means that Hillary + DWS gets 10 total and Bernie gets 5. I don't really know how the decision process works on writing the platform though. Maybe 5 is enough to ensure language goes into the platform that Bernie desires.

Because Clinton is the winner, and by all account doesn't need to give Sanders squat but is giving him something anyway.


And the DNC is its own thing so it makes sense that its leader get to pick some people too.
 
Do you really think rational Bernie supporters will turn to Trump? I think the Bernie supporters who will vote for Trump have already made up their minds in all honesty.
I've had people I've known for years state they will. That's all this election cycle has been for me, one giant fucking exercise in being continually disappointed by a lot of superficially liberal people I know personally and thought highly of. So the question isn't what I think rational Bernie supporters would do, but how many of his remaining supporters I think are rational. After Nevada, I wouldn't place that number too high.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Amazing that he has all those crowds, but it's not translating into votes.

Welp.
It's certainly translating into a lot of handwringing about how much he's damaging Clinton's chances because the party isn't unified, coming from Democrats who were originally claiming he shouldn't even bother running because he's so unelectable.
 

BajiBoxer

Banned
I'm baffled as to why DWS gets to pick 4 on her own, that means that Hillary + DWS gets 10 total and Bernie gets 5. I don't really know how the decision process works on writing the platform though. Maybe 5 is enough to ensure language goes into the platform that Bernie desires.
Normally the DNC chair picks everybody with advice from the winning candidate. As horrible as she's been at the job, it's a pretty big concession.
 
GAF is surprisingly rather angry towards Sanders. Considering the type of crowds he usually drew and how I imagine it overlapped to my imagination of what GAF crowds are like, it's somewhat surprising to see.
I think people are getting upset lately because Trump is in General Election mode throwing bombs at Hillary while she is still forced to fight a primary opponent who is too drunk on his own hype. Trump is busy using Bernie's attacks on Hillary. They see this as having a net negative effect on Hillary's polling because she is being attacked both from the left and the right. Which will only make general election more competitive than it needs to. If you are a democratic party member who wants to put away Trump, this can be very frustrating. The fact that Sanders is just too doggedly lobbing grenades at Democrats, the party, her and superdelegates despite his surefire inevitable loss is just flabbergasting.
 

BanGy.nz

Banned
I'm baffled as to why DWS gets to pick 4 on her own, that means that Hillary + DWS gets 10 total and Bernie gets 5. I don't really know how the decision process works on writing the platform though. Maybe 5 is enough to ensure language goes into the platform that Bernie desires.

You're shocked the leader of the DNC gets a say over the party platform for the party she leads?
 
Lately? Yes, very yes. He's continued to act like the reason he's losing is "corruption and conspiracy" and rile up his angry base in the process. He's continued to raise money from people, famously small donations from groups like students, despite the impossibility of his victory at this point. He's made only the most cursory of efforts towards supporting other Deomcracts who would be essential to realize his agenda. He's continued to act like "students protesting outside the governors office" is going to be a revolution. He's had nine months on the national stage to add substance to his platform, and he's still running on a bevy of platitudes and empty promises. He has stances on things like GMO labelling, gun control, and global trade that I actively find anti-progressive.

His campaign as a whole displays a shockingly close minded and inflexible attitude. I encourage anyone who hasn't yet to read this piece by a disabled former supporter: https://shiksappeal.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/berned-by-bernie-sanders/



At this point? Yes, I am angry at him
Thank you for sharing this. Fascinating read about the differences between Sanders' and Clinton's campaign outreach.

And ugh, why did I read the comments. A lot of the responses she got are just yikes...
 
It's certainly translating into a lot of handwringing about how much he's damaging Clinton's chances because the party isn't unified, coming from Democrats who were originally claiming he shouldn't even bother running because he's so unelectable.

Being unelectable and capable of damaging someone who is are not mutually exclusive.
 
I think people are getting upset lately because Trump is in General Election mode throwing bombs at Hillary while she is still forced to fight a primary opponent who is too drunk on his own hype. Trump is busy using Bernie's attacks on Hillary. They see this as having a net negative effect on Hillary's polling because she is being attacked both from the left and the right. Which will only make general election more competitive than it needs to. If you are a democratic party member who wants to put away Trump, this can be very frustrating. The fact that Sanders is just too doggedly lobbing grenades at Democrats, the party, her and superdelegates despite his surefire inevitable loss is just flabbergasting.

If it's a surefire inevitable loss, what difference does it make? Really?

That's the confusing thing to me. Trump is supposed to be this surefire loser, and yet we have people are seriously PO'ed that the underdog dem candidate doesn't just quit. Why? To make Trump's surefire inevitable loss even bigger? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

You have guys like Mark Cuban who's saying that he'd be Hilary's VP if it wasn't for Sander's dragging her too far to the left. This doesn't strike me as a bad thing, you know, being that she's a sure deal for the white house and all.
 

BajiBoxer

Banned
I've had people I've known for years state they will. That's all this election cycle has been for me, one giant fucking exercise in being continually disappointed by a lot of superficially liberal people I know personally and thought highly of. So the question isn't what I think rational Bernie supporters would do, but how many of his remaining supporters I think are rational. After Nevada, I wouldn't place that number too high.
It's been frustrating. Before Nevada I was very pro-Bernie despite some nagging misgivings I kept to myself. When I cooled on him, it was a complete 180 in how I was treated. All the sudden I was a phony and part of the conspiracy. It was pretty fucking vile. It's upsetting when people who seemed decent suddenly treat you like a worthless piece of trash because you like the candidate less than before.
 
If it's a surefire inevitable loss, what difference does it make? Really?

That's the confusing thing to me. Trump is supposed to be this surefire loser, and yet we have people are seriously PO'ed that the underdog dem candidate doesn't just quit. Why? To make Trump's surefire inevitable loss even bigger? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

You have guys like Mark Cuban who's saying that he'd be Hilary's VP if it wasn't for Sander's dragging her too far to the left. This doesn't strike me as a bad thing, you know, being that she's a sure deal for the white house and all.


Mark Cuban is an idiot and Sanders hasn't been dragging Clintion to the left in a while, if he ever really did.

His campaign as of late is to downplay harassment, claim that he's losing because the Democratic Party is stealing the election from him and just attack the party in general.

It's long become clear to me that Sanders isn't leading a revolution against those who are the oppressors but the only party capable of stopping them.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
It's been frustrating. Before Nevada I was very pro-Bernie despite some nagging misgivings I kept to myself. When I cooled on him, it was a complete 180 in how I was treated. All the sudden I was a phony and part of the conspiracy. It was pretty fucking vile. It's upsetting when people who seemed decent suddenly treat you like a worthless piece of trash because you like the candidate less than before.
Exactly what I have run into. This whole all-or-nothing attitude from people who don't understand how government actually works is very reminiscent of the Tea Party, and that's not a good look.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Being unelectable and capable of damaging someone who is are not mutually exclusive.
That depends on what the "damage" is and how it is done. Since it all stems from what he's managed to do during the Dem primary process, it's really hard to countenance the claims of just how unelectable he was supposed to be.
 
If it's a surefire inevitable loss, what difference does it make? Really?

That's the confusing thing to me. Trump is supposed to be this surefire loser, and yet we have people are seriously PO'ed that the underdog dem candidate doesn't just quit. Why? To make Trump's surefire inevitable loss even bigger? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Making the margin by which Trump loses larger MATTERS. If some Bernie supporters who wouldn't have otherwise become disaffected don't show up to vote, that can influence the vote in states where the Democratic Party needs to pick up seats in the Senate, the House and at the state and local levels.

The more we can reduce the advantage Republicans have at EVERY level of government besides the White House translates into progressive policies being enacted.

Pretending that scorched earth tactics don't have any effect on this is ludicrous.
 
GAF is surprisingly rather angry towards Sanders. Considering the type of crowds he usually drew and how I imagine it overlapped to my imagination of what GAF crowds are like, it's somewhat surprising to see.

The Planned Parenthood attacks.

Anything and everything to do with Rosario Dawson.

The Nevada shenanigans.

The continued allegations of corruption whenever he loses. (note how you hear nothing about Utah)

The viciousness of his supporters.

Do I need to continue?
 
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