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Do women see extremely muscular men the same way men see anorexic women?
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Good luck not having joint/back issues doing BB for that long...
entremet
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I think you're making assumptions Jason.
This dude is a powerlifter and he's physique is fine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sKS7w3ZZfVE
But he also eats clean. Sure you're gonna have powerlifters who just eat anything--dirty bulking, but that's not the only way to fuel your training.
Nemesis_
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What did you expect? You tell all these women that BODYBUILDERS ARE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE and that given any opportunity they would enjoy the FIRST SELECTION if they had the chance.
Of course the women in this thread are going to get riled up for you making such ridiculous assumptions about something that you've admiteddly socialised yourself into believing the the best and most desirable choic.
It's like some retarded form of cognitive dissonance.
How about a middle ground? Do you have any medical backing to show what an 80 year old bodybuilder would look like, be like, and function like?
I think you're confusing BBing with power lifting.
Zoe
Member
.This thread is also full of "I'd take these Brad Pitt over Jay Cutler" comments, and that's not realistic. Which is my point. The idea I'm saying is if one of those body builders expressed interest in a "normal" setting I highly doubt they would be turned down.
Edit: And yeah, it is my opinion, I admitted as much. But this entire thread is a discussion of opinion.
The idea isn't ok, Pitt and Coleman come up to you, now you get to pick.
Yes. I would turn them down. I'm not sure you understand the concept of attraction beyond one's physicality. Heavily muscled men, in general, do not give off an air of high intelligence, and intelligence is what I'm attracted to. Please stop believing that muscles==universally attractive, as it's simply not true.
As the wife of a skinny nerd guy, I'd say that I would be okay with it so long as it did not consume his life or become an obsession. If it made him happy, then sure. He's still the same person.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Again, that never happened. This thread is turning into a joke with people getting hostile and putting words in my mouth.
What exactly is wrong with that? It's clearly opinion.
That says more about the person assuming the intelligence/personality of the "muscled" person than the actual personality of the muscled person.
To be fair it helps that he's very handsome.
MiniBossBattle
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I have a sneaking suspicion my wife reads this thread. She says soccer body is best body and Fight Club Pitt is best Pitt
FallingEdge
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"Constantly being around food and hearing about the gym? All day protein shakes? Weird sleep patterns and virtually no life? Spending time with other freakish people? What is there to enjoy exactly?"
Everything you posted is wrong and my comment was directed towards your response. You are totally ignorant about BB/lifting and your ignorance leads you to make up the wrong conclusions, regardless if you find them physically attractive or not.
Ah, okay. I figured it be something like that. It is too bad that such assumptions are made but then again, based on my response above, I can't really be too surprised.
I was under the impression that this thread is about the physical aspect but kinda evolved to the personal side of things as well. I think it is wrong that you think that heavily muscled men do not give off a vibe of high intelligence, in general or not. I just feel that it is not fair to make those assumptions. Kinda like if I were to automatically assume that a pretty women is dumb as bricks and that are only using their looks to get by. If I were to say something like that, I would get destroyed in a thread.
*shrug* my thoughts anyway.
Alienshogun is not saying a body builder physique is more appealing than a lean, maybe slightly chubby physique. He is comparing it to for example an average physique, as in, what most people actually are, which is overweight (at least in the US). I can understand where he is coming from. a body builder implies that he is fit and at least knows how to take care of himself, while an overweight person may not.
I don't agree with this opinion as all the women I've talked to find large muscles gross but I admit this is just my own sample size.
Regardless... dang, you guys are very quick to jump on his throat. Did Alienshogun piss in your coffee or something?
I don't agree with this opinion as all the women I've talked to find large muscles gross but I admit this is just my own sample size.
Regardless... dang, you guys are very quick to jump on his throat. Did Alienshogun piss in your coffee or something?
Nemesis_
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You actually said you found it "hard to believe" that one of the women in this thread would not be attracted to that mass you posted.
What kind of message were we meant to derive from that?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
That I find it hard to believe, it's not deeper than that. There's no hidden meaning.
Thank god someone understand what I'm saying, even if they don't agree with me. I was beginning to wonder if I was posting in another language.
Zoe
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You claimed you didn't say that. Clearly you did.
The Anti-Monitor
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And I already said I generally prefer a normal, chubby guy, to the two bodybuilders (Cutler and Coleman) Alienshogun name dropped.
His response? LOL
If that's lolworthy is because it's laughable there's a question to begin with.
Most girls here have said they flatout don't like enormous guys. Many have expressed that they don't even like muscles.
Without knowing exactly what large muscles mean, this doesn't prove anything. Most people would say Chris Hemsworth is huge but he's still hot as hell.
well it says that the person has self-discipline, motivation and willpower...
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I have tremendous respect for Pro Bodybuilders. It takes years of hardwork and dedication to carefully mold their bodies into shape for contests year in and year out. I think you would find that the vast majority are experts on nutrition and exercise. There's a difference between the guys you see in the gym who lift and take protein shakes when they get home and professional bodybuilders.
People are attracted to all kinds of people and I can't knock anyone for not being attracted to a bodybuilder, especially of Ronnie Coleman size. However, they're individuals just like everyone else with varied upbringings and social environments.
People are attracted to all kinds of people and I can't knock anyone for not being attracted to a bodybuilder, especially of Ronnie Coleman size. However, they're individuals just like everyone else with varied upbringings and social environments.
The lifestyle of your average chubby guy is something way more relateable to 90%+ of people than the lifestyle of an extremely muscular bodybuilder. Relating to people is like a big part of the relationship. Relating to people means you'll probably have more fun with them. Relating to people means you'll probably understand them better and things kinda fit better. This is all fact. You can sit in denial all you want, but most women aren't into Ronnie and think it's gross.
Also, you keep turning a blind eye to something. Why you keep doing it I don't know. Almost everyone here thinks Brad Pitt and Ryan Reynolds look great. Almost everyone here would hate an obese guy, although chubby is okay. So one line we can throw onto chubby. The other line is drawn around Chris Hemsworth's Thor who is a pretty damn big dude, much bigger than most men, while maintaining attractive status. This means the range, the line that most women have drawn, are pretty far from each other and you're probably wasting your time getting defensive and arguing about it.
Chris Hemsworth acheived his physique through a bodybuilding routine
Everything I wrote is fact and I'm not getting into it with you. The thread title is about extremely muscular men. I'm not talking about your average lifter or muscular man. Key word here is extreme. Look at the thread title. Read post #719. Pick someone else to argue with, we're done.
So what you're saying is there is a balance to be had? I can buy that.
Agreed.
Zoe
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What is the point of a guy "expressing interest" to you? Is that not a physical relationship?
The Anti-Monitor
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Good for him. And if he gets bigger, to the point of the only two guys Alienshogun has mentioned, he'll get ridiculous and unattractive.
Why exactly is this hard to understand? The question of the OP "Guys tend to like thing girls but not anorexic girls, is the same thing with women liking muscular guys and ridiculously muscular guys?" From the responses of GirlGAF, it seems it's an overwhelming "yes". Even guys here have backed this up from girlfriends or similar.
There's a point where being muscular stops looking good.
Even me who likes twinks likes leaner muscle over giant RAWR body. I just find it odd that someone cannot understand a woman would like smaller bod over a huge one.
VelvetMouth
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You're calling her opinion into question, that's the problem. She doesn't like bodybuilders your response, LOL you don't know what you like but that's just my opinion. You sound condescending.
Also the hyperbole that a guy who's slightly chubby is going to end up some loser on a couch with heart disease and diabetes while the body builder is going to be strong and healthy into his 80's, maybe the stupidity that goes along with some people who are into body building is also a turn off for some women, just my opinion of course.
He really has an unpleasant way of voicing his opinion. Being dismissive to others and just generally rude. Is it any wonder that he's not well-liked?
The thread title is:
The girls clearly say that they find extremely muscular men unattractive and giving that guy as an example of what they don't find attractive. And yet, he keeps insisting that girls will still prefer that monstrosity over a normal, chubby guy.
Srsly said:
Chris Hemsworth is not an EXTREMELY muscular man. His muscle mass is what most people consider acceptable and desirable. Pretty much Rugby player build. But it doesn't mean all girls are also into that.
FallingEdge
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LOL! Are you serious?
No, it isn't a fact. Not at all. There are plenty of people who are competitive bodybuilders that I know that live normal lives and aren't 'freaks'. They don't obsess over the gym or drink a ton of protein shakes (there is your nutrition ignorance showing). They have wives, gfs, kids, job, etc. Get over yourself. It doesn't work like that.
That's not to say that there aren't individuals who fall into that category but to group them all like that is wrong.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Who wouldn't find a God hot? <3
When my friend's refer large muscles, they are talking about body builder size with the leathery skin look. which of course isn't actually natural but that's just the image they have in their head.
I'm not really trying to prove anything, just adding my 2cents. Think people really need to chill out in this thread.
It's a response based on the physicality of a person. If all I have to go on is looks, which is all you stated as a factor, then that is how I will react. I emphasized the "in general" part of my post because I know that not all heavily muscled men value physique over intelligence, or have a lack of the latter. But you made a general assumption, and I responded with how I would react generally.
You're right to feel it's unfair, because it isn't fair at all. I understand that well. There could be some deeper meaning as to why I don't find heavy muscles attractive, such as intimidation, or my own experience with heavily muscled men, or whatever, but that's simply how I react based only on the physicality of a person. Everyone makes assumptions based on the way people look initially, but my opinions can easily change if I get to know a person. I haven't really thought about it much, so please don't take it personally, I realize now that I sorta came across as judgmental.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Deleted the second paragraph because it wasn't related to me.
I didn't tell her what she liked, or that she didn't know what she liked. I stated that I find it hard to believe (maybe comprehend is a better word?) that anyone would take an average/below average (fat/chubby) body over a body builder body.
I think people have become too defensive in this thread, and overly hostile. It's probably better if I stop posting since it seems to only anger people (the ones that are actually trying to give intelligent conversation, not the ones who are trying to make a fight with bullshit), and that's not my intent.
Then people need to stop saying BBers are disgusting when there is a massive difference between a pro (i.e. Ronnie Coleman / Jay Cutler) and your typical amateur who will most likely not become much more muscular than Chris Hemsworth even after years of training. The paranoia over bodybuilding is ridiculous when it's easily the best way to become healthy and achieve an attractive physique. We don't need more paranoia fueled by ignorance.
Zoe
Member
Like it or not, people are going to wonder, "can I get intimate with this person?" when beginning a relationship. If body builder muscles repulse a girl, it's not even gonna get off the ground.
SouthernDragon
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Your description is... I mean, is that bodybuilding? I follow that routine, and I'm not a body builder. That's going to the gym and staying active.
JzeroT1437
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Most of the women I know are horrified/disgusted by big muscle men, just as most men I know are turned off by big googly muscle-women. There are obviously those who prefer them, but most of the women I've talked with prefer men with a lean, proportional build.
Justin Lascek has the physique I'd kill for. Damn.
As for the main discussion topic.. Has this been posted yet? http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitn...sique-—-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/
This part seems to explain a lot --
VelvetMouth
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Comprehend might be a better word but when you state it as hard to believe, it's basically saying that you don't believe her. You also made other absolute sounding statements declaring that bodybuilders are better looking than average guys which is far from true.
I think what a lot of people overlook in this thread, the more muscular guys that women like, they are also extremely attractive. You can have a massive muscular body but if your face is a mess, good luck bro. The body builders posted so far in this thread are hideous. That one white guy people were freaking out over looks like Dopey the dwarf.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Well, but you do understand that seems to be a minorty opinion (both based on girlgaffers, and friends of other gaffers) and that he's acting in a very condescending way (and for all he says about me being hostile or saying bullshit, it's the exact same thing he's doing), I guess.
No matter the body type, you'll find someone who finds it attractive. But on average? I think the answer to the thread title is very clear.
When people are saying BBers they're always meaning the extreme type, at least here, because that's what the thread is about.
The only two people Alienshogun mentioned, who is arguing those extremes are attractive, are most definitely not. Want to prove most BBers are still attractive? Go ahead, I definitely don't mind more pictures of hot shirtless guys.
VelvetMouth
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In real life when you're not using celebrities as a standard, I think most women prefer a guy who's healthy, takes care of himself and has confidence. The rest is just a bonus.
People are saying that certain type of BBers are disgusting. That's the thread topic. Get on with it! The girls are saying the extremely muscled types are not attractive to them. So to tell them that they'll still go after those types instead of a normal chubby guy is straight-up douchebagville. You don't know what they like. Also, whatever bad rep associated with body building are mostly coming from people who are arrogant about what they do. I said it before and I'll say it again, with attitude that is shown by many bodybuilders, is it any wonder that the hobby gets such a bad rap? The physical side effect of the over achievers is one thing. The arrogant attitude is the bigger turn-off.
Well yeah. All else being equal.
Confession time, I must be the only one who does this but rarely do I look at who is posting and just read the comments. So everytime I come to a thread, everyone is new, the discussion is new. I recognize, Alienshogun, but I don't remember his posting history so I don't have any preconceived notions of his posting style.
It may be a bit brash but in general I understand the point he's getting at. A lot of the dismissiveness and rudeness came after and in response to people arguing with him which is kinda understandable tho it does become a perpetual cycle into personal attacks and more arguments.
Back on topic:
My gf seemed disinterested in muscles. She does hate a rail thin guys tho so obviously it's all about balance. As long as you're healthy, and not overweight, your body is not going to be as important.. at least not to my gf.
My straight male friend refuses to see The Avengers because Thor isn't burly enough and too clean cut. I loved the movie, but I kind of agree: my image of Thor is more of a typical viking type.. burly, hairy, with considerable amount of fat. Although I understand the character is based on a comic book superhero and not on the Norse god from the legends. It's also kind of sad that hollywood wouldn't find it acceptable to have a main character that looks like a rugby player.
Yeah, to you. I can respect that.
To make this about women again, it's interesting to look at the (general) motives driving these two extremes in their respective genders. Societal pressure and the forced image of beauty perpetuated by the media, combined with possible neurological problems, can lead to anorexia, which is considered a disease. It is said that certain features of a women like a healthy body fat percentage and bosom size are generally considered attractive to men based on natural imperatives. I personally can attest to these tenets; my tastes are in line with these parameters.
Now to bring this back to the overarching topic at large, I can absolutely see how "more muscular than Hemmsworth" can be too much for some, if not most women. That's a lot of man and a clear outlier in the spectrum of male bodytypes in America. Nevermind the stigma, whether deserved or not, placed upon those with bodytypes considered "more muscular than Hemmsworth". The bodybuilders mentioned in this thread are elite level men, however. I would wager that you couldn't come up with a living skinny girl that can function normally that will sit on the opposite range of Coleman or any muscle mag cover guy in the scale of human body types. So we're kind of sweetspotting the definition.
That's what Alienshogun is trying to say. He probably (rightfully) bristled at the general disdiain showed towards BBs in this thread, and lack of knowledge. Most body builders look like regular dudes, just a little more cut here, or a little more stronger, or a touch more shapely. We're not veins and gristle as popularized by Coleman and tagged on BB at large. That's why he and/or others named dorpped Hemmsworth and Brad Pitt in FC. That was the example of a "normalized" BB bodytype. And those a fan favorite bodies it looks like!
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
No, not to me. To the average woman. All girlgaffers have said that. Most guys have said their female friends think the same.
If that's not a good sample to talk about what women on average think (which is what the thread title is asking), then why bother making threads asking women their opinion?
Here's the twist: it's women who name dropped those. Alienshogun namedropped Coleman and Cutler.
When people bring up bodybuilders here they talk about the extreme examples. Because that's what the thread is asking about.
Zoe
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According to some men in this thread, all you need to do for FC Pitt is not eat.
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