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[Aselith]

Recently in his song Humble Kendrick lamar said and I quote

"I'm so fuckin' sick and tired of the Photoshop
Show me somethin' natural like afro on Richard Pryor
Show me somethin' natural like ass with some stretch marks"

it was met with some backlash from women on the internet, here is 1 comment ( which does not reflect the discourse everywhere on the internet, but it was the quickest one I could find)


So what do you guys think? Does listening to rap make you a misogynist?
EDIT: Or does listening to rap contribute to the plight of women in today's society? (B/C you support the artists who say these things)

I..don't understand the backlash? He says he wants to see models with out being processed through software and they say models shouldnt exist? Or men shouldn't look at them?

I thought it was a common refrain the models should be reflecting how women actually look?

 

[theignoramus]

Lol...No, it certainly doesn't. Funny enough this was Miley Cyrus's reasoning for leaving the "twerking phase" behind

I mean that same song has a line about "that pussy good, sit it on my taste bloods"
Not that I care though.

 

[entremet]

When you systematically have a bigger focus on one trait for one gender, and a bigger focus on the other trait for another gender, that is problematic

Or like any other creative work, it's a reflection of what the creator wants to discuss. Can it be problematic, yes? But it's not misogynistic by definition.

This is the problem I have with people using those types of broad brushes.

Mopey long songs are almost universal in music, many of the involving the male perspective as a jilted lover. Those are neither misogynsitic by design, but are an overwhelming majority of song lyrics because men had a hegemony on writing lyrical content for hundreds of years, so you're going to get that more of that perspective.

Nicki Minaj may be considered empowered for using her physical gifts as she so chooses as well. However, more modern feminism has condemned a lot of sex positivity of late--see Bayonetta.

 

[Switch Back 9]

I FIXED your
post BRO now
you ARE good
to GO m8

#notalltrap

I admire the effort it took for you to put this together hahahaha.

 

[Staccat0]

I remember when I was younger I saw a documentary about being gay in the hip-hop industry. There was a moment where the documentarian asked Busta Rhymes about it and he said, "What? You mean faggot shit? I don't wanna talk about that."

I can usually separate art from the artist but something about that just turned me off on the dude's entire career. I think popular artists like Kanye (who was a pretty vocal gay rights supporter early in his career) helped kinda push that shit to the fringes of the genre.

I wouldn't mind if we lived in a world where casually calling someone a "bitch" in your music was as frowned upon as "gay" or even "retard." I do my best to support artists who are doing smart shit regardless though.

Like, Vince Staples is telling complicated stories about complicated people. I value that. Kendrick is a poet. Kanye is an innovator.

Other stuff I like though is basically just the hip-hop equivalent of like Warrant or some super gross 80s rock. I'm not gonna defend it.

Especially when I can't tell a woman what shouldn't offend her or alienate her. I dunno.

People act like it's simple to make themselves feel better but attitudes about these kinds of words is changing rapidly. Hell, when I joined this forum mods would defend stuff that would get you dogpiled today. I guess it's always gonna be easier to excuse shit you like while dragging stuff you don't like, but it's not as simple for me as a fan of hip hop.

 

[Realeza]

Does watching horror movies make you a sick fuck?

 

[Twenty7KVN]

There's a weird inverted snobbery with rap/hip-hop, where people often look down their noses at people who aren't experts in the genre and thus don't "get it", which is just ridiculous. There's also (in my experience) the presupposition that you have to come from the same background as the artist to really be able to considered a proper fan. "Priviledged" white guys in their 30s can't possibly appreciate the songs properly as they didn't have to grow up on welfare or in the hood etc, which again is ridiculous. It's just words and music, nothing more.

This is everything with a fan base. A certain subset of fans are going to think this way, this is not a exclusive hiphop thing.

 

[Plywood]

Does voting for Trump make you a racist? Maybe not, but you sure aren't helping the cause.


Most rap isn't good for society tbh. That's why whenever I feel like I need to hear some wholesome flows and beats, I put on some Logic or Eminem. Chance The Rapper is a good choice as well. Beyond that maybe some Will Smith, cause these parents just don't understand, forreal.

Unlimited bait works

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[Ryde3]

no, c'mon.

 

[Big Shirtless Ron]

...I can see country *maybe* promoting misogyny, if calling your ex-wife rude names counts, but drugs?

Turns out they're wrong. A new study published Friday on Addiction.com and provided exclusively to Newsweek reveals country music has the most drug references of any musical genre, followed by jazz, pop, electronic, rock, other, folk and rap respectively. Yes, that’s correct: rap is among the least likely genres to mention drugs.

http://www.newsweek.com/country-music-rap-edm-drugs-profanity-rappers-smoking-weed-study-587867

 

[Switch Back 9]

http://www.newsweek.com/country-music-rap-edm-drugs-profanity-rappers-smoking-weed-study-587867

That article doesn't exactly go into any detail. I want lyrics and proof dammit!

Spoiler

I loathe country

 

[Vital Tundra]

Just like everything else you consume in life no it doesn't. If that were the case, buying products from shit companies that believe in shit things would mean you believe and support shit things.

 

[see5harp]

People that say they loathe country are as bad as the people who say they don't listen to rap.

 

[see5harp]

and no fucking shit it's high if you consider cigarettes and alcohol drugs. That's obviously not the same thing as a popular song's chorus literally being MDMA and a popular brand name opiate repeated over and over again in the midst of an actual drug epidemic in this country. Not that I'm arguing that you shouldn't be able to say whatever you want. It's not reality. These dudes are all fake.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

http://www.newsweek.com/country-music-rap-edm-drugs-profanity-rappers-smoking-weed-study-587867

Well.

There it is.gif


But nah,black culture the worst. Continue thread...

 

[Kenstar]

Well.

There it is.gif


But nah,black culture the worst. Continue thread...

if they pulled there pants up and singed about buying work boots instead of jordins and getting jobs instead of robbing stores they'd be alrite in my book

 

[MastAndo]

Just like everything else you consume in life no it doesn't. If that were the case, buying products from shit companies that believe in shit things would mean you believe and support shit things.

A whole lot of people here saying that it does mean just that...

Does eating at Chik-fil-a mean you support their bigotry?

Just playing devil's advocate, but if you're putting money in the pocket of someone who raps misogynistic lyrics, aren't you supporting misogyny in that sense? I suppose I don't really understand the counter-argument here. Is it that seemingly misogynistic rap lyrics aren't actually misogynistic?

 

[SciencePilot]

Everything is in degrees.

Purchasing a song with misogynistic lyrics makes you a little tiny bit more misogynist, because you're giving money to (and thus incentivizing) a misogynist message. But it doesn't make you a full-blown misogynist terrible person. It's only a small effect.

People constantly make choices like this -- it's unavoidable. Yes, buying an iPhone supports child labor a little bit. Yes, eating at Chick-fil-A supports anti-lgbt cause a little bit. Etc, etc, etc.

You need to look at these small effects and decide whether it's enough to matter to you. Each case will vary for each person. But just keep in mind all these effects are incremental and not immediately the worst thing in the world.

 

[KingK]

I wouldn't consider myself a huge rap fan, but I do like it and a few rappers are among my favorite musicians. There are sometimes where I'm turned off by the lyrics, but that's the case for every genre really.

And I really can't take anyone seriously who would consider Kendrick as having misogynistic lyrics. I don't see how you could listen to his discography and reach that conclusion. Like, one of the most important themes throughout his albums is the deconstruction of the male ego and acknowledgement of societal misogyny.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

A whole lot of people here saying that it does mean just that...

Does eating at Chik-fil-a mean you support their bigotry?

Just playing devil's advocate, but if you're putting money in the pocket of someone who raps misogynistic lyrics, aren't you supporting misogyny in that sense? I suppose I don't really understand the counter-argument here. Is it that seemingly misogynistic rap lyrics aren't actually misogynistic?

See I'll accept the label if that is what the true definition is. That's the difference here imo. Being labeled a misogynist because I like Drake and Migos is fine by me. My world is not caving in.

People are too scared to have the label. W/e.

 

[hiredhand]

http://www.newsweek.com/country-music-rap-edm-drugs-profanity-rappers-smoking-weed-study-587867

That study is really odd. Hip hop supposedly has the lowest amount of drug references yet these are also from the same study.

 

[uncelestial]

Tell that to Antifas who shut down black metal shows

Sorry, I have to confess I'm not clear on what point you're making.

 

[see5harp]

Yes that study is super weird and incredibly hard to believe. Like they separate country and folk music but then can't name a single country artist who mentions weed. They have a category pills but don't actually mention whether that includes opiates like codeine.

 

[Rupe]

No. Enjoying problematic content doesn't make you anything. It's fine if you are aware and actually understand what you are consuming. For example I enjoy anime and at this point I struggle to find a comedy that doesn't rely on upskirt shots or jiggly physics. What's important is that you analyse the media and check with yourself "am I enjoying this in spite of it's problems?" , a lot of the time I realized that wasn't true anymore, I saw too many cracks and those overshadowed whatever good was there.

To your second question, yes you are indeed supporting artists and content creators that propagate not so great ideas. That being said, doesn't mean there isn't anything good to enjoy in an album that has misogynistic​ undertones and by extent maybe those parts are worth supporting.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Rap is worse than other music genres on these issues. Much worse.

I would say yes, but the thing is how much of the messaging in rap is organic vs what the gatekeepers want to put out? Mainstream rap is "allowed" to be more vulgar, crass, violent etc... than other genres of music because they promote Black stereotypes (minstrelsy) and Blacks ultimately do not have the final say on what gets released by the label or gets put on airwaves. Why am I hearing Lil Wayne on the radio rapping about "beating the pussy up" at 2pm? Or look at Chief Keef for example... Could you imagine a label putting out a 15 yr old White rocker who is part of a gang and brags about selling meth? It would be irresponsible to do that but all this negativity is allowed to be released to the public when it comes to Blacks and rap.

I don't think anyone is saying all rap music, there is tons of good, clean rap obviously. But I also think Rap still gets way more of a pass for homophobia and misogyny than any other genre, or medium that I can think of. And I think that's an issue when people don't see some of the lyrics as problematic. It seems like criticism of rap is stuck in the 90s sometimes, while most other mainstream media would get rightfully blasted for similar content, rap tends to get a free pass.

I'm with you. I find the misogyny and homophobia corny as hell at this point. Its lazy lyricism.

It's not so much about purity tests as it is about trying to minimize cognitive dissonance, and avoiding financially supporting deplorables

But gaffers are generally pretty bad at putting their money where their mouth is, as evidenced by all the positive Chick Fil-A mentions in fast food threads

To me it's entertainment. There's not cognitive dissonance on my end, I'm well aware of issues in the music and US society in general. But as far as avoiding misogyny altogether I'd have to cut like 75% of the media I consume in order to do that. How many movies have that Damsel in distress trope? How many Republicans call out rap for misogyny but do not bat an eyelash when Fox News engages in rape apologism time and time again? America is the problem, this country has no respect for women.

 

[Brian_FETO]

Sorry, I have to confess I'm not clear on what point you're making.

There's different groups of ANTIFA (antifascists acting under the same banner). Generally their focus is opposing/protesting political figures and such (sometimes with violence)

Something that's been a problem for years is they will cause issues at concerts for bands that come to the US that they believe are fascists, or write songs pertaining to fascism, have ties to fascists, etc. Just to get tours/shows cancelled. Which like I could see if they were in town for their politics, but usually it's just European nerds singing about tanks

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Voting for Trump doesn't necessarily make you a misogynist. But it does make you someone who is willing to enable misogyny for the sake of tax cuts and/or anti-abortion legislation and/or your racism and/or less environmental regulations.

Financially supporting musicians (regardless of genre) who put out songs with misogynistic lyrics doesn't necessarily make you a misogynist. But it does make you someone who is willing to enable misogyny for beats and/or flow and/or power fantasies and/or guitar solos and/or melodies and/or chord progressions and/or beautiful voices you enjoy listening to.

 

[uncelestial]

There's different groups of ANTIFA (antifascists acting under the same banner). Generally their focus is opposing/protesting political figures and such (sometimes with violence)

Something that's been a problem for years is they will cause issues at concerts for bands that come to the US that they believe are fascists, or write songs pertaining to fascism, have ties to fascists, etc. Just to get tours/shows cancelled. Which like I could see if they were in town for their politics, but usually it's just European nerds singing about tanks

Ah. Well, that's tricky, for me. I personally support Antifa, and am a fan of, for example, the guy who punched Richard Spencer. But, that said, if they don't want to let people "passively listen to a song" (as I put it) then that is a shame and, I agree, a problem.

It merits discussion though. Leftbook for example had this picture of someone about to punch a dude wearing a Skrewdriver t-shirt:

Skrewdriver are an actively racist, white supremacist, piece of shit band, so I personally have no problem with their fans getting punched. But depending on the band, it could be taking it too far. Many other lefties were not in support of that photo.

Full disclosure: I'm pretty fucking anarchist-leftist so... I'll just say, google Danuta Danielsson before you reply.

 

[NandoGip]

These warriors fighting to paint rap as an evil genre of music (can *music* even be evil?), yet I don't see these same moral paragons fighting against all of the other injustices in our society.

It's art. Is pornography misogynist cuz a dude slaps a woman in the video? It's a fantasy, it's not real. Is a movie where a woman gets called a bitch, a misogynist movie?

You can't pick and choose how you judge one medium, and then judge others on different levels.

By the same logic, country music should be outlawed for spawning Republicans. They're worse for women then songs that say bitch

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Some female country singer had a big hit in recent years about waiting for her man with her shotgun in hand. This same audience will concern troll rap for violence lol.

 

[Mung]

Not at all.

 

[Aaronology]

Voting for Trump doesn't necessarily make you a misogynist. But it does make you someone who is willing to enable misogyny for the sake of tax cuts and/or anti-abortion legislation and/or your racism and/or less environmental regulations.

Financially supporting musicians (regardless of genre) who put out songs with misogynistic lyrics doesn't necessarily make you a misogynist. But it does make you someone who is willing to enable misogyny for beats and/or flow and/or power fantasies and/or guitar solos and/or melodies and/or chord progressions and/or beautiful voices you enjoy listening to.

I have a hard time arguing with this.

 

[Brian_FETO]

Ah. Well, that's tricky, for me. I personally support Antifa, and am a fan of, for example, the guy who punched Richard Spencer. But, that said, if they don't want to let people "passively listen to a song" (as I put it) then that is a shame and, I agree, a problem.

Leftbook for example had this picture of someone about to punch a dude wearing a Skrewdriver t-shirt:

Skrewdriver are an actively racist, white supremacist, piece of shit band, so I personally have no problem with their fans getting punched. But depending on the band, it could be taking it too far.

Full disclosure: I'm pretty fucking anarchist-leftist so...

For sure, I'm with you on that. Skrewdriver also exist to spread their stupid message first

A lot of bands going for an "oppressive" sound use generic "evil war" imagery that is evoking that sort of thing while not actually carrying the message. That's the only time I really have an issue with the shows being shut down, because it's theatrical and not political. No swastikas, no sieg heils, etc

There are of course straight up Nazi bands but most of the time they just play KKK (or equivalent) events in the forest to their stupid friends. Lol. Anything like that, by all means, teargas away

(Of course it must also be said that ANTIFA is not one specific organization, anybody can call themselves that and act as such)

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

People need to have the guts to just say they don't like black music. You'd get more respect for being honest

 

[Astral Dog]

A little bit.
But you do you

 

[hydrophilic attack]

People need to have the guts to just say they don't like black music. You'd get more respect for being honest

But what if we love jazz, blues and funk?

Not 👏 Everyone 👏 Disliking 👏 (Specifically &#128079 Misogynistic 👏 Rap 👏 Is 👏 A racist 👏

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Perhaps, a more central question is; What if I genuinely enjoy songs that contain misogynist / bigoted lyrics?

If you asked me if I thought that the Chronic was a discriminatory and offensive album, I'd say no. You might reasonable say that, that is a convenient thing for me to say given it's many insults, slurs and disgust is not aimed towards me- a white male.

The question is; If we enjoy things that contain toxic things, is that normalizing bad behavior?


Teddy Roosevelt is the example that always come up in my mind. Because, you want this guy to be the greatest man who ever lived. It's painful to learn what he thought about eugenics and other people not from his creed. So if you're fascinated with the man, and you respect many of the elements he stood for in terms of social policies and personal fascinating achievements, plus his larger-than-life behavior, can you really separate that from the bad stuff?

Is Classic rap any less a victim of progress than great historical figures in that we've moved past them in social progress?

I genuinely don't know. On one hand, I agree with the saying "I just enjoy the music / art. I don't care about the politics of it" but that can also be a slippery slope. And that argument is often used by people with serious social blindspots as a way to ignore the bad aspects of something. All the bad things that has happened in the last few years is a good example.

But if we want to vet our past, do we want to have that treatment on related fields? Isn't a video game making entertainment out of war not also incredible obscene, perverse and disrespectful? If you really think about it < And I say that as someone who love war games and war movies. But if we are really honest, a game like Battlefield 1 being released on the 100 year Anniversary of one of the most horrific world events is incredible tasteless. Or a part of it is tasteless, rather. Another part is enlightening and making something relevant and give awareness for a new generation of people who consume story and history through different channels. And another part of it, is about honoring something with the greatest form of respect.

Perhaps it's more correct to just say that a lot of mainstream rap we know and love on the radio has pretty condescending and ignorant verses, but the songs are also more than that and that is why we keep listening to them. But I won't lie- I've actually thought about this a lot. You're at the gym and a rap song comes on, and it has a diss with the rapper claiming someone is a homosexual [explicit for sub human filth]. And I wonder what gay people in that gym think about it. Particularly gay people who enjoy rap. Do you tune out? do you realize it's not aimed at you? do you take it personally? It's another element where I cannot possible understand what it feels like.

 

[Thewonandonly]

Yup, listen to rap and am a raging misogynist, can confirm.

Bitch.

Well ya u kinda gotta be when models be getting bleach on your tee shirt making u feel like an asshole

 

[Servbot24]

Does watching horror movies make you a sick fuck?

To be fair it's not at all the same. There is no social pretense engagaed in horror which suggests torture is an acceptable status quo. You can argue that making "bitch" and so on normal phrases that it contributes to sexism being standardized.

 

[King Tubby]

I love hip hop, but I also acknowledge it has a problem with homophobia and misogyny (like a lot of American culture). It's part of the reason I tend to gravitate more towards instrumentals and the like.

Listening to rap doesn't make you a misogynist or contribute to misogyny, that's nonsense. You don't contribute to mass shootings by playing Grand Theft Auto, either.

 

[Aaronology]

People need to have the guts to just say they don't like black music. You'd get more respect for being honest

I think rap is one of the most expressive and powerful genres of music there is, but that doesn't mean I'm going to engage in deflection, whataboutism and hypocrisy to defend the negative aspects of some of it. (I actually am bothered that the topic title castigated the entire genre, which is completely unwarranted and unfair.)

You mention honesty, but I don't see a lot of it from my brief glance through this thread. Just a lot of mental gymnastics, eerily similar to the sort of defensiveness and fragility we expect from certain other groups when called out. If the topic were about some other genre or entertainment medium and racism or homophobia the complaint, "It's just art!" is an argument that would be shunned and shut down real quick on this forum.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

People need to have the guts to just say they don't like black music. You'd get more respect for being honest

I don't think they hate black music though. I mean, look at jazz, rock, blues, etc. White people love them! ... when it's being done by white people. So yeah. They don't hate black music. They just hate black people.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I think rap is one of the most expressive and powerful genres of music there is, but that doesn't mean I'm going to engage in deflection, whataboutism and hypocrisy to defend the negative aspects of some of it. (I actually am bothered that the topic title castigated the entire genre, which is completely unwarranted and unfair.)

You mention honesty, but I don't see a lot of it from my brief glance through this thread. Just a lot of mental gymnastics, eerily similar to the sort of defensiveness and fragility we expect from certain other groups when called out. If the topic were about some other genre or entertainment medium and racism or homophobia the complaint, "It's just art!" is an argument that would be shunned and shut down real quick on this forum.

There's a racial component to rap/hip hop being constantly called out for having the same issues present in every other musical genre.

Of course there's a lot of songs/artists out there that are homophobic and misogynistic but there are also a lot that aren't. The framing is that rap is only these things and that by association, black people are all these things.

It's whatever though, this is Gaf after all

 

[LionPride]

Well ya u kinda gotta be when models be getting bleach on your tee shirt making u feel like an asshole

To be fair I was high when I met her, we was down in Tribeca, and she get under ya skin if ya let her

 

[Omnistalgic]

I wouldn't consider myself a huge rap fan, but I do like it and a few rappers are among my favorite musicians. There are sometimes where I'm turned off by the lyrics, but that's the case for every genre really.

And I really can't take anyone seriously who would consider Kendrick as having misogynistic lyrics. I don't see how you could listen to his discography and reach that conclusion. Like, one of the most important themes throughout his albums is the deconstruction of the male ego and acknowledgement of societal misogyny.

Yet he's still using words (often and abundantly) that are derogatory to women with an album full of vulgarity.

Great thene if you dig in and listen to the overall message, but come on, I'm a huge hip hop head but I can easily understand how someone wouldnt want to digest the music.

 

[capitalCORN]

As someone who grew up around dancehall, yes the hate is real. But there's more to rap than the mainstream. Del, MF Doom, Kool Keith. Look to them for inspiration.

 

[John Kowalski]

You don't contribute to mass shootings by playing Grand Theft Auto, either.

I've made my point but i want to note this specific thing. Those are completely inapplicable examples. Many have made similar observations and they have vastly been as wrong too. GTA has violence, but it's not a violent object. The game does not harm its players or other players through your actions. The player acts violently in the game but the game itself is a violent world where violence exists and defines the experience of the lived world it represents. But misogyny affects real people.

A game that is misogynist is harming actual people. Misogynist games aren't bad because they represent a misogynistic world wherein misogyny is an appropriate tool for interacting with its characters (in fact this is what many say to consider GTA games satirical of violence instead of something that promotes it, in short you can say that GTA is about violence more than it has violence, which can be scarcely said about misogynistic products). Moreover our experience of violence in the real world is completely different from what violence is like in GTA, the violence in the game is not a simulation of its real world counterpart and frankly i would imagine any game would have trouble actually simulating what real world violence feels and is like to real world humans.

But misogyny in games is an appropriate reflection of what real world misogyny is like, and often they are systematically misogynistic in such a way that they are reliable predictors of how misogyny is practised in real life, between real men and women. Consider for example that any videogame (or anything really) that wants to have a lot of violence has to create a world that's very different from ours, because our real world doesn't have a lot of violence, but a game that wants to create a very misogynistic world can pretty much uplift how things are irl.

And more still, sexual objectification as is often what's talked about when discussing misogyny, by its mere presence and consumption by men and women alike has real negative effects on them, their perception of themselves and of others, an analogous of which i don't think exists for violent media.

 

[shoelacer]

I don't think they hate black music though. I mean, look at jazz, rock, blues, etc. White people love them! ... when it's being done by white people. So yeah. They don't hate black music. They just hate black people.

lol please. Rock has been scrubbed of its black roots pretty thoroughly but it's literally impossible to be a fan of either jazz or blues while listening to predominantly white artists

 

[blame space]

Do you think he really gave his cousin 100,000 for his laptop back that he was Fucking bitches on?

 

[Poor GRIMES]

I mean, I was listening to The Read the other day and Crissle was lowkey dragging Kendrick for telling women about how he feels they should look and what he wants to see, basically. He was basically dragged by Black women because people thought he was "deconstructing standard forms of beauty" with his line, yet he shows "another light-ass Black girl in the video," which Crissle says: "epitomizes the female form of what constitutes Black feminine beauty." Kendrick essentially getting applauded for fuck shit because what he's showing on the screen goes against his "fuck beauty standards" line

It isn't just rap music that tries to paint women in this broad stroke, that's present in all genres of music and the way the girlie in the OP frames rap makes it a bit suspect. But, we can acknowledge that rap itself ain't bulletproof from sound criticism when it deserves to be called out, imo.

I just feel like the narrative is pretty one-sided right now. Is it because rap is rising again on the charts? Probably not, because of the racial element of Black cultre always getting shit on, but it's definitely more prevalent now in think pieces.

Rock and metal were derided for being "devi's music" back in the day, which is pretty stupid, considering there's no dominant structure which promoted Satanism in... any culture, really. However, I do think that all forms of music can acknowledge that women are continually shit on in virtually every culture and that calling women "thotties" or "bitches" or what have you normalizes that type of misogynistic speech. Does that make you a misogynist? No, probably not. But you always have to contend that other people that aren't you digests that shit wholesale and actually believes in the trash being parroted about women in some songs tbh.

Tbh, I think rap needs more prolific female MCs right now not named Nicki Minaj.