What a sad post.
Thats probably also one of the reasons, that game got huuuuge. And its hard to play both games.
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Dota 2 is hemorrhaging players.
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What a sad post.
Thats probably also one of the reasons, that game got huuuuge. And its hard to play both games.
I really like the UI, I just think it's a buggy mess. Which, in their defense, they understand as the game is receiving updates every single day. I think a really meaty content update will swing things around however I'm kind of glad they've taken a hit on the Source 2 launch as I'm sick of them shipping unfinished shit to "paying" customers and then iterating on it.
Okay so I pulled the general chart for that period and I see the following:
I set it from May (when school starts ending) into a bit of October (when everyone is definitely back in school).
It went up in July for the International, then down in August afterwards, and went up through September and into October.
justjustin
Member
I'm guessing a lot of people who play dota don't even like the game much, they just play it out of habit or to kill time. The annoyances of a new engine and UI are enough for them to not play the game at all and just do something else.
Hip Hop
Member
I have a friend that does this.
Plays a round or two of Dota, then jumps with us to end the night with some CSGO.
He pulls it off well lol
jediyoshi
Member
This is the longest I've had to read through a joke post to get to the punch line.
it's even worse when you realize that reborn should bring in even more players, with custom games, better tutorials and a ''better'' engine.
reborn is trash and it's turning me off the game completely, but i dont think that valve cares, the 5 guys that works on the game probably dont even play dota.
reborn is trash and it's turning me off the game completely, but i dont think that valve cares, the 5 guys that works on the game probably dont even play dota.
It really is the kind of thing you have to get right on the first go. For a game that big, there will be ton of scrutiny and nobody will have any sympathy for bugs of any kind. I thought that Valve having Source 1 and Source 2 versions side-by-side was a good idea, but I guess they couldn't keep that up.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I have no problems with reborn but I wish they would start adding new heroes. And I don't mean Pitlord that I played 10 years ago, should have been in there from the start.
Valve completely bought-in into the as a service model as developers. They will push half-baked updates and features out of the door into players' hands and only then actually fix stuff and bring it up where it needs to do. And they'll use the 'iterative development' and 'early feedback' as the reasons why that happened.
I can't but help to entertain the thought whether we should want Valve to make more SP games. Can they actually deliver a product in a tip-top shape in a business model and genres that are evaluated one week after launch rather than one year+ (as in service games)?
I can't but help to entertain the thought whether we should want Valve to make more SP games. Can they actually deliver a product in a tip-top shape in a business model and genres that are evaluated one week after launch rather than one year+ (as in service games)?
It is not up to date but there is a reddit post directed to DOTA players who want to watch LoL Worlds. It is not a game guide but maybe it can help.
edit : as it so happens, the 2015 version just went up
shadow2810
Member
One thing I really hate about Reborn is now I can't dodge those people I have muted.
randomengine
Banned
Oh man that sucks.
. Friends don't let friends play MOBAs.The thing about online multiplayer team-based games like raids in MMOs being the only end-game and MOBAs generally is that the game design does not encourage friends to stick together. Each gamer has a different skill level and friends are not encouraged to play together and "tough it out" if one or two other players are not as skilled. The game encourages players to abandon their lesser-skilled friends in order to do better and advance in the game. As a guild leader in WoW, I saw this happen all the time, even more so, I was encouraged by the game to abandon my own guild and all my friends just so I could advance further in the game by joining another guild with better players. These are not good game design philosophies we should be promoting or lionizing.
Well if Dota 2 goes to the shitter, I'm just not going to play MOBAs anymore. I have a decade of accrued skill in DoTA, which is the only reason I'm decent at the game now
I appreciate the cleanliness of the new UI and its responsiveness, but frankly even the Source 1 UI was a mess for customization, and it's partially worse in Reborn, which shocks mewith a game based on buying and outfitting items, you'd think they'd prioritize that over everything else.
I appreciate the cleanliness of the new UI and its responsiveness, but frankly even the Source 1 UI was a mess for customization, and it's partially worse in Reborn, which shocks mewith a game based on buying and outfitting items, you'd think they'd prioritize that over everything else.
Interceptor
Banned
I think reborn being so buggy was the main reason for the early switch. You just can't keep patching and updating two clients at a reasonable speed. I think its the correct choice.
GoldandBlue
Member
If they didn't care they would have left Dota 2 running on Source 1.
Oh yes that off spammed meme of Valve dont care.
I guess thats why they didnt spend hundreds of hours of man-power making a new engine and trying to port an insanely diverse and complicated game over into a new engine.
How in the fuck do those two ideas even match. If everything was homogenized you couldn't feed and still win the game because you are the same as the other team.
Oh man that sucks.
The thing about online multiplayer team-based games like raids in MMOs being the only end-game and MOBAs generally is that the game design does not encourage friends to stick together. Each gamer has a different skill level and friends are not encouraged to play together and "tough it out" if one or two other players are not as skilled. The game encourages players to abandon their lesser-skilled friends in order to do better and advance in the game. As a guild leader in WoW, I saw this happen all the time, even more so, I was encouraged by the game to abandon my own guild and all my friends just so I could advance further in the game by joining another guild with better players. These are not good game design philosophies we should be promoting or lionizing.
Dota/Mobas have matchmaking yo. There is no need to abandon the worse players, if you wanna play with them, since you're getting matched with people of the same skill average.
And furthermore, those games dont have anything that you can advance in.
killatopak
Member
Maybe they left for LoL while they fix things in Source 2?
I doubt the player number has that much to do with Reborn.
Still their decision to make Reborn the main and only client in the state it was& still is, is fucked up.
My colleagues & boss would think I'm joking ( or going crazy ) if I ever asked to make our clients use one of our new software or website ( and remove their access to the current one which work without real problem but without the improvements ), when the new product is pretty much in early beta state and still need weeks if not months of work.
That's just Valve being Valve, and the likely result of a now small team still working on the game.
Still their decision to make Reborn the main and only client in the state it was& still is, is fucked up.
My colleagues & boss would think I'm joking ( or going crazy ) if I ever asked to make our clients use one of our new software or website ( and remove their access to the current one which work without real problem but without the improvements ), when the new product is pretty much in early beta state and still need weeks if not months of work.
That's just Valve being Valve, and the likely result of a now small team still working on the game.
Interfectum
Member
Do we have any actual data as to how many people at Valve are currently working on Dota 2? Do we know it's a small team now or are we guessing due to lack of content updates?
The biggest problem is in gold. You always receive reliable gold even when you feed....
I haven't played lately even though I miss it, because of reborn and the balance of the game being really annoying. I haven't had as much fun in dota since they introduced the overpowered comeback mechanics. I can be playing my ass off and 1 of their players abandons and someone on my team feeds them just a couple kills and bam they're rich now and continually win fights until we lose to them 4v5.
Comebacks in Dota used to be the most amazing gaming moments I've ever experienced. Now it almost always feels cheap as shit even if I'm on the winning end of it and just leaves me feeling a little disgusted with what happened rather than ecstatic that I won. I miss Dota
Oh and there was always a bloodseeker that stomps because some teammate is chilling low on health in jungle or in another lane, not thinking about how it makes bloodseeker like 10 times stronger and faster. What a dumb mechanic, honestly him getting vision of low health heroes should be enough, with a lot less extra move speed at least. It's like sonic jumped into dota and runs circles around everyone, that kind of speed just breaks strategy in dota and is pretty stupid.
Comebacks in Dota used to be the most amazing gaming moments I've ever experienced. Now it almost always feels cheap as shit even if I'm on the winning end of it and just leaves me feeling a little disgusted with what happened rather than ecstatic that I won. I miss Dota
Oh and there was always a bloodseeker that stomps because some teammate is chilling low on health in jungle or in another lane, not thinking about how it makes bloodseeker like 10 times stronger and faster. What a dumb mechanic, honestly him getting vision of low health heroes should be enough, with a lot less extra move speed at least. It's like sonic jumped into dota and runs circles around everyone, that kind of speed just breaks strategy in dota and is pretty stupid.
Does that have a big influence on the player base?
I just jumped back into it about a week ago after playing extremely sporadically the past year. I haven't encountered any bugs or anything like that, and I really like the custom games (I think the 10v10 mode helps dilute my suckiness), but maybe I'm missing something but the storefront/marketplace (or lack of?) is really bugging me. Is clicking on your hero and scrolling over through the items the only way? I remember before there was a huge storefront window and it was quick and fun to look through.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
TF2 probably because Match Making has been delayed like a mother fucker, the next big update has been delayed as hell, and they're not even doing a Halloween event this year. And they flat out said that TF2 won't be ported to Source 2.
Really wish they would put more work into TF2.
Omega Kirby
Member
Bolivar687
Banned
I'm not entirely sure what anyone's problem with Reborn is, I think it looks great and haven't encountered any bugs. Granted I haven't been playing as much lately but it's not based off of any moves Valve has made.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Perhaps the extenuating circumstances mean that it is not hemorrhaging per se, but if nothing else it looks like the growth has slowed way way down, which does have to be a concern.
Maybe we've gotten to the top of the MOBA curve.
Maybe we've gotten to the top of the MOBA curve.
shira
Member
It reduces morale when Valve implements things like untradable items and 3 month trade restrictions.
Like for CSGO you could watch the Major Final and you could have 5 cases drop. That's like $120 in steam bux or $80 irl money just to watch a game you love.
Their economy is extremely strong.
I was surprised and immediately looked it up.
Apparently it's not that dramatic and just a great way to blame your loss on something else.
DeadManWalking
Member
It runs even better and haven't encountered any bugs.
Updates will come. People want to things work perfectly from the start.
Updates will come. People want to things work perfectly from the start.