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Dota 2 |OT| To Hell and Back and Back to Hell
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basically i respect sc2
oh i see
thats really interesting
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Close but not quite, you absolutely do not want to pick one hero and stick to them. That's fine when you're starting out, but you want to branch out into a half dozen heroes fairly quickly and eventually you should be at least competent with several heroes in each "role" and even every hero in the game.
Because team composition is incredibly important.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I heard a rumor that boken bought the Compendium that put it above 2.6 million
justjustin
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Wow, ok. Looks like there is a lot to figure out then. I'll stick to one hero at first and learn the fundamentals that way.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, generally its one hero -> a half dozen heroes -> a couple heroes in each role -------> all of the heroes
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I think randoming is a better way to learn the game. Or doing single draft/all random
The problem with saying TP scrolls and wards counter any hero in the game is because both of these items are integral to decent play. Their very purpose is to help mitigate the damage from ganks through mobility and vision. It ends up being a non-answer because EVERY ganker is made worse by enemy TP counter-ganks and defensive wards.
Spirit Breaker needs boots, urn, and wards. Everything else is luxury. He's played as a four-position support and it works great. Does he scale well with items? Sure. Does Lina scale well with items? Yep. What about Leshrac? Uh-huh. Chen? Oh yeah. They all need items to scale well -- except they don't NEED to scale well at all. The premise that a hero has to scale well to be a good pick in the first place is totally bonkers.
Ogre Magi, Tidehunter, and Nyx can't counterward some of the more popular warding spots and yet they're stilll picked up as supports. Usually you'll have another support on your team who is range so this isn't even an issue. Just because he's melee doesn't mean he can't buy the sentries for someone else. What are you referencing when you say "etc." because it reads more like "I've run out of other justifications"?
And what other support has 700hp and 5 armor at level 1, has fantastic single-target lockdown and burst, and is very mobile with no items?
Be a little more open to unconventional picking and you'll find there is a lot of value in heroes that aren't popular.
Humongous burst, long disables, and forces opponent to spend money on sentries and dust. That's the short answer, sorry, need to go shower!
I'd vehemently disagree. This is just frustration waiting to happen. There is so much difference between each hero that it would just get overwhelming if you random them without knowing anything about them.
This would be a far better way. You can learn a lot about a hero and learn a lot about the game without having to overwhelm yourself constantly with learning new heroes. Once you get a good understanding of the game with a hero then you could start branching out.
edit: Below reminded me - if you're doing this (the randoming) in bot games then I could see it being a bit more feasible as you can pause and take your time.
Are you randoming in mm games or bot games? Watching the videos during or after the match?
electroshockwave
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Randoming along with watching Purge videos and eventually pro games has been my learning method. You get a good idea of how a hero is meant to played by seeing it in high skill matchups and the extra gold can make things much easier.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I just played as Timber mid (with instant "lol timber mid?" from my team) and I've never felt as powerful in DOTA. I was laning against SF and was able to terrify him with my q damage, once I got one kill on him I started to Snowball hard, then when I had enough to pick up a blood stone my push and kill potential became ridiculous. I was quickly able to win fights that were 3/4 on one and at the end of the game I had an inventory stocked with armour/health items so I was able to single handedly tower dive the entire enemy team and get out alive with a zip.
If you like Timber but have had issues being in the middle/safe lane I recommended you give mid a go. It was some of the most fun I've had playing the hero.
If you like Timber but have had issues being in the middle/safe lane I recommended you give mid a go. It was some of the most fun I've had playing the hero.
So.. how did you get close enough to the SF to even kill him in mid?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
It was mostly down to him being a pretty bad SF. At first he obviously wasn't aware of my damage output so he wasn't playing careful which gave me an early lead, after that it came down to him being greedy for a kill and not taking my reactive armour into account.
I see..
Something I don't undestand about timber is how to decide what skilsl to get. From what I can see, both chain and the cutter are really great early but one doesnt have enough mana to sustain both. So which one you prioritize?
And I made anther team, Burning Asian Winter!
I like the name.
BURNING ASIAN WINTER DESTROYERS
shira
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are you implying lesbians are bad?
boken.
supporting dem #esports
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my first noncommon item is a WR bow
guess i should learn windrunner
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
In mid I focused on cutter and armour given the lack of trees available. I only hit cutter when I was in range of SF and had no mana issues once I got my arcanes. I would note that I was able to control the runes throughout the laning stage.
shira
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tobicast --> http://www.joindota.com/en/live/jDRed
#2 Navi
vs
#14 Kapi
#roadtoTI3
http://dota2lounge.com/match?m=702
Envysama in 72 rares for 4 we trust
http://dota2.replays.net/pic/page/20130722/1835461.html#p=1
These guys clean up really nicely
#2 Navi
vs
#14 Kapi
#roadtoTI3
http://dota2lounge.com/match?m=702
Envysama in 72 rares for 4 we trust
swag
http://dota2.replays.net/pic/page/20130722/1835461.html#p=1
These guys clean up really nicely
la flama blanca
Banned
Got 2 rares on KP, LETS DO THIS
shira
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36 rares, ez life
SteveWinwood
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I learned something new today. I should get it spreading in the United States of America.
you unlock secret characters
ok that aint true, cosmetics when you get levels, but you get points from losing as well
andregnreis
Member
When you play and finish a game you get XP and a chance to win cosmetic items, chests and stuff like that. Its not guaranteed. When you level up you are guaranteed to get about 2 items that go directly to your inventory. Matchmaking has nothing to do your level (I think) but with your number of wins and Win/Loss ratio.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You don't get anything for winning except the fact that you won. The items given out are completely random, except when you "level up", in which case you're guaranteed an item. Your level has nothing to do with matchmaking, the level number is entirely for show.
Its a bit weird.
Also the entire roster is open from the start, yeah, welcome to Dota
SteveWinwood
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You get knowledge and experience and sometimes hats.
Anything and everything that you need to play the game is completely free right from the start. If you want to participate in #esports or look cool with one of the heroes that's where you start spending money.
shira
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Gully State
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I'm bummed that I'll be on vacation the weekend of the International. I wish I could plan around it but there just is no feasible way without being a total prick to my gf. Hopefully I can just leave my client on autospectate that weekend and just catch the games when I get home.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
How do you check this?
shira
Member
The games are Aug 2-11
andregnreis
Member
Anyone know why the Dota cards and achievements are still not avaiable? Theyre waiting for the people that are queued to download the game?
Search the recent games. Use your name and 'High Tier' as the filters.
Gully State
Member
Yeah I'm gone that whole week too...
Search yourself in Watch/Recent games. Filter for Very High
It seems some of my matches in ther recent weeks have been VH =)
It's all in your head, the tiers aren't discrete.
The trench never ends.
But anyway, nice job! It means that you're in the top xx% of player if you're continuously in high tier games.
iirc high is top 20% and very high top 4% (unsure about very high)
dondi pls
yeah, unless ee is channeling hyhy he's not gonna do shit #leedge
i bet he doesn't even know how to build him
yeah, unless ee is channeling hyhy he's not gonna do shit #leedge
i bet he doesn't even know how to build him
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