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Except Goku when he calls him prince on that movie 😢Especially since no one recognises his authority
and maybe barragas
Except Goku when he calls him prince on that movie 😢Especially since no one recognises his authority
Cooler wouldn't fit with how Freeza works now anyway. He was Cold's son and trained, but couldn't even go beyond SSJ1 level.
Only if at the end of the fight it turns out Frost is secretly evil and they teamup to take the Z warriors and form a multiverse mafiaSomething just hit me. Imagine Freeza, who we know is evil, fighting against a redeemed Frost who became significantly more powerful also?
That should be something to see. Do you root for evil Freeza cause he's fighting for Universe 7, or do you cheer for the redeemed frost? I'd obviously want Freeza to win, but this is indeed quite interesting.
Not even close. Piccolo gets done in a day what takes whis months.
That said, I want to guess the current power ranking here.
1 Goku
2 17
3 Gohan
4 Vegeta
5. Buu*
6 Piccolo
7 18
8 Krillin/Roshi
10 Tien
Gohan's debateable. He could be #2, and he could be number 5. But they showed him kicking around blue Goku so I put him at 3. 17 fighting even with Blue, yet supposedly holding back makes me give him the edge.
I also see Vegeta getting something very soon to put him back in second though.
As far as Im concerned, Roshi is strongest human til its shown otherwise, but Ill give it the benefit of the doubt.
We need a new Vegeta. 17 should be the new Vegeta. Someone always behind Goku.
What ifFrieza becomes the new Vegeta after this arc?
I'd rather just seeand Frost just fight it out to see, which is the bigger ass hole since Frost doesn't seem to be reforming anytime soon judging by the preview.Freeza
It also would be pretty humorous to seecomplaining hypocritically that his opponent isn't fighting fair.Freeza
It's funny how he specifically says only two and doesn't include Cooler.
Wait, how is that a surprise? The OVAs are not part of Toriyama's story and never were.
There are people who somehow went through the entirety of the nineties and beyond being confused as to where the movies fit into the plot of Dragonball Z. I've met them in person. Poor, tortured souls.
I'd just like to see more heroes on Goku's tier. 17 being there is good. Gohan being on track to get back there is good. In a perfect world, Roshi would be there as well, but alas, it may not be in our future.
We needs worfs on the teamSeems like the cast is evenly split between power hitters, and 'support'. Gohan and 17's ridiculous power ups seem to be because of that.
The only straggler is 18. She not blue level, and shes not exactly flush with op skills like those below her. Makes me worry about what shes doing this arc.
I'm thinking we'll see more teamwork with Krillin and 18 than 17 and 18. I think they'll try some team maneuvers, only for them to not work out too well.Seems like the cast is evenly split between power hitters, and 'support'. Gohan and 17's ridiculous power ups seem to be because of that.
The only straggler is 18. She not blue level, and shes not exactly flush with op skills like those below her. Makes me worry about what shes doing this arc.
I don't think it's specifically mentioned in the Daizenshu if he did train or not. Only that he could control his power and didn't need weaker forms to restrict his power like Freeza.
If you wanted to you could just say he's the Raditz version of Freeza, and he didn't have the same potential as his other sibling.
Bet it took him two monthsIt doesn't help the anime added that dragon from Tree of Might for some post-Namek filler scenes.
It's mentioned in Cooler's movie itself that he trained to achieve that 5th form.
Wait, how is that a surprise? The OVAs are not part of Toriyama's story and never were.
Training in Dragonball is more effective if you know someone else who has trained to that level. So if Cooler was revive from the dead now, he could catch up to Golden Freeza in a week. But even a lifetime of training wouldn't have pushed him past Super Saiyan level back in the Namek days.
It's mentioned in Cooler's movie itself that he trained to achieve that 5th form.
Im not sure about this.Training in Dragonball is more effective if you know someone else who has trained to that level. So if Cooler was revive from the dead now, he could catch up to Golden Freeza in a week. But even a lifetime of training wouldn't have pushed him past Super Saiyan level back in the Namek days.
I love Ocean Dub Vegeta. This moment is still the pinnacle of the series for me.
I've actually been ripping my "Rock The Dragon Edition" Ocean Dub DVDs recently lol. Had Ocean Dub running all day in the background while I worked. God I love that dub. Hits me right in the nostalgia.
Ask him how Yamcha is going to appear at the last moment and save the universe from Zeno by beating him in baseballI'm gonna meet Yamcha's Japanese VA today.
I'm gonna meet Yamcha's Japanese VA today.
I'm gonna meet Yamcha's Japanese VA today.
Manga is trash tier now.
I'm gonna meet Yamcha's Japanese VA today.
I think it's something along the lines of it not really helping them all that much. SSJGod Kid Trunks for example wouldn't be as strong as Base Goku in both of their current states. You still need to be obscenely strong to use the upgrade properly.What's the deal with not just giving every saiyan super saiyan god? Wouldn't it have been dumb easy since it only requires 5 saiyan? I mean you didn't even need pan, future trunks was right there? I'm still behind so this might have been answered
What's the deal with not just giving every saiyan super saiyan god? Wouldn't it have been dumb easy since it only requires 5 saiyan? I mean you didn't even need pan, future trunks was right there? I'm still behind so this might have been answered
Here's what AT said about Freeza in a interview translated via Kanzenshuu.
It's funny how he specifically says only two and doesn't include Cooler.
It just bothers me because trunks just got his ass busted by vegeta and vegeta's throwing super saiyan blue in his face, like help the kid out and call up gohan and goten for some quick prep before all this future saving happens lol.Nope, it was never addressed why they didn't use the ritual again. Not even the manga mentioned it in spite of its constant exposition. Goku keeping the power was supposed to be special, but it's weird how they didn't try with the others since they aren't exactly normal Saiyans either.
Nah, it was good till Vegeta SSJ2 started beating up SSJ Black. Base Black was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. It made zero fucking sense. From there everything went downhill.Been like that for a long time.
The title changed from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z along the way; what sort of reason was there for this change?
Morishita: That was just enthusiasm for new plot developments. (laughs)
Shimizu: No; actually, we fretted a great deal about that title. Originally, we called it ”Gohan's Great Adventure" for the longest time. (laughs)
Morishita: That's right; because we thought it would go with Gohan as the main character.
Shimizu: And then Toriyama-sensei said things like, ”No, the protagonist is really Goku."
Its basically fanfiction at this point.Manga is trash tier now.
Power Ranks
1) Future Trunks - Was shown stronger than SSB Goku & Vegeta
2) SSB Kaioken Goku - Vegeta IMO has the edge in SSB, but kaioken is the difference maker here
3) Vegeta
4) Gohan
5) Buu
6) 17
7) Piccolo
8) 18
10) Tien11) KrillinStill convinced he'd body Krillin
12) Roshi
Its basically fanfiction at this point.
Future Trunks at 1 is a no go.Power Ranks
1) Future Trunks - Was shown stronger than SSB Goku & Vegeta
2) SSB Kaioken Goku - Vegeta IMO has the edge in SSB, but kaioken is the difference maker here
3) Vegeta
4) Gohan
5) Buu
6) 17
7) Piccolo
8) 18
10) Tien11) KrillinStill convinced he'd body Krillin
12) Roshi