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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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You forgot Tien.
so you watched the bad bits and skipped the good stuff
Tal Shiar Agent
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I watched the movies, not Super. I've only started Super with the Universal Survival Saga.
They're learning.
So what's even the point of an English version now?
If nothing else, watch
- Piccolo Vs. Frost
- Vegeta Vs. Magetta
- Goku Vs. Hit
- Baseball
- Energy scythe
- Vegeta Vs. Magetta
- Goku Vs. Hit
- Baseball
- Energy scythe
You owe it to yourself. You owe it to me.
Can't say I agree:
Zamasu gave his reasons for his motives and a lot of time was devoted to them. It also shows what a hypocrite he was.
Only the future was in the same place and even that moved across the city.
I had no problem following the time travel aspect and liked how it was done.
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito was the reason why Merged Zamasu was weak enough for Trunks to take out.
Super Saiyan Rose was more less explained as his God form by the way he talked about. Super Saiyan Rage really didn't big explaination since was transformation of anger like Super Saiyan 1 and 2.
The ending was the part of the arc.
It had its flaws, but wasn't badly executed. And it was miles better than Android/Cell Saga, although that's not saying much since that Saga to me is an example of bad execution.
Reizo Ryuu
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The whole 'powered by guts' "trope" doesn't really depend on it making sense though, because it most cases it doesn't. It's what makes these 'Brave' type anime what they are.
You could say it feels out of place in DB, but it's seriously not that different from "rage boosts"
I mean look at this fight.
At the start of the clip he's pretty much beaten and outclassed in every way, but then his "determination", in this case 'courage', pretty much draws power from nowhere and makes him stupidly more powerful
It's essentially the same thing as trunks vs zamasu, cept trunks' determination ran so deep he unconciously, perhaps even desperately started drawing power from "hope", in this case genki energy.
Personlly I think it's fucking awesome.
Rad Shadow
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Wait...trunks future was erased by zeno, right?
Where did whis send him then?
Geez, it ended not too long ago, but I can't remember...
Where did whis send him then?
Geez, it ended not too long ago, but I can't remember...
They went to a timeline where Zamasu was stopped by Whis
He created a new timeline for him. A future created if Black and Future Zamasu never killed the gods.
Another timeline branching off of Future Trunks', but where Zamasu was dealt with. So he's hanging out with his best buddy Slightly Different Future Trunks.
Love the symbol of the Spirit Bomb. I do agree that it not being explain was terrible and comes off as a Toei movie AssPull. But since Zamasu came back and murdered anyone despite the power of hope, I can somewhat forgive it.
Astral Dog
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Watch the Champa.filler (except for that dumb purple water part) and FT saga
The Spirit Sword coming out of nowhere is dumb, but it not really working is a very Dragonball thing. The series has always loved to hype up failing attempts.
Piccolo preparing the special beam cannon? Awesomely powerful move, but Raditz dodged it the first time.
Goku using the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb on Vegeta? Goku burned through his stamina and got his ass beat before he could throw the Spirit Bomb.
Goku using the Super Spirit Bomb on Freeza? Probably one of the most impressive moves ever seen in the series, totally destroyed the environment... but Freeza got up after and went straight to killing Krillin.
That's why I like the Goku Black saga. It's the first time Super's felt like it's really back in Z territory because of tension-building stuff like that.
Piccolo preparing the special beam cannon? Awesomely powerful move, but Raditz dodged it the first time.
Goku using the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb on Vegeta? Goku burned through his stamina and got his ass beat before he could throw the Spirit Bomb.
Goku using the Super Spirit Bomb on Freeza? Probably one of the most impressive moves ever seen in the series, totally destroyed the environment... but Freeza got up after and went straight to killing Krillin.
That's why I like the Goku Black saga. It's the first time Super's felt like it's really back in Z territory because of tension-building stuff like that.
dickroach
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oh man. watch the Future Trunks/Black arc. best, most tense arc since Androids/Cell
I take it bringing back a lot of the cast is what brought you on board?
I was only passively watching the show, skipping a lot, before the current arc.
It's fine if you disagree.
I didn't mean they didn't completely explain things, it's that the explanations were paper-thin or just not good, in my opinion.
I don't get how the explaination were paper-thin. Especially compared to other stuff in the series.
You're just mad that Gohan didn't do crap
The best thing about Trunks coming back was that he deliberately changed his hair so that it would be more confusing.
Gohan gave emotional support.
You're just mad that Gohan didn't do crap
Gohan gave emotional support.
DiipuSurotu
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I loved Zamasu because he's the only character in the franchise who started out on the same side as the good guys and then became a villain, instead of the reverse.
I don't get how the explaination were paper-thin. Especially compared to other stuff in the series.
You're just mad that Gohan didn't do crap
Nah, Nando's points are pretty much why I disliked it. Decent concepts, awful execution.
Aweful execution seems harsh since it was no more flawed than any other arc in Dragon Ball and it doesn't run on everyone being morons like the Android/Cell and Buu Saga.
So did Vegeta and he did something.
That was poorly done too TBH.
He was obnoxious and patronizing the very first second we saw him.
So it really didn't come off as a surprise, and he hadn't done anything as a good guy so it was kind of a waste.
Astral Dog
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He didn't started on the Z good guy team though,he was supposed to be neutral and pretty much was a rotten apple
Well, brief storytelling can be okay, but for stuff like Zamasu's motivations, it could have been done better. I mean yeah, he hated ningens because they kill and whatever, so he wanted to deal this twisted form of justice.
That sounds great in concept, there are a shit load of villains in other stories with the same motivation. The way they did it was lame since immediately you saw through it, and the catalyst for him turning evil was the most "paper-thin" aspect about it.
The story didn't give off the sense he was teetering on the edge. It feels like they threw it in your face, rather than show it little by little.
It would have been better if they made the viewers invest and believe in Zamasu somehow, so that once he started to show signs of wanting to kill ningens and Gowasu, it'd have more of an impact
To me it was so obvious he was G. Black but the mystery aspect made you think big twists were coming. When the twist was the multiple timeline mumbo-jumbo, it kind of fell flat.
DiipuSurotu
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Still a unique character in the entire franchise. All the other villains started as villains and either die or become good guys.
It wasn't just about them killing. It was them misusing the gifts of the gods, for example Frieza, Babidi, Dr. Gero. I wouldn't call it lame since he was like Light from Death Note. Starts out with well intentions and jumped off the edge before the first episode ended.
Zamasu was also unstable like Light. All he needed was a little push to utterly ruin him. I don't think the story needed for us to invest in Zamasu being right since we have seen for ourselves mortals abusing their power. And again, Death Note didn't do much to make us root for Light after his few murders.
Don't really agree, but I can see why you feel that way. Also, the mystery was how it happened. The show itself never tried to hide Black was connected to Zamasu as either a partner or a golem.
I think it's Zamasu having more motive than "I'm evil!".
Astral Dog
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I agree that his motivations could have been handled better but what you are describing is not Dragon Ball at all,this is really Zamasu .
ArchedThunder
Banned
The names are still the same for me.
Hey, that's not fair. Some Dragonball villains have realistic motivations.
Taopaipai -> Money
Freeza -> Money (also racism)
Commander Red -> Napoleon complex
Android 17 -> Bored
Freeza -> Money (also racism)
Commander Red -> Napoleon complex
Android 17 -> Bored
I'm pretty sure people like that exist in real life.
Frieza called himself the Emperor of Evil and 17 was never really a villain, unless you mean Future 17.
I'll give you the other through.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
They used to be criminals and 17 carried a gun around, I doubt he somehow managed to never use it.
If I recall correctly they caused a bunch of car crashes too but I don't know if the drivers survived.
Host Samurai
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Loved the Future Trunks arc, though it did feel rushed at times and the conclusion didn't really have any events that lead into the next arc besides getting another Xeno. I wish it lasted longer.
Here is how I would book the arc
- An extra episode or two showing us what Future Trunks has been up to since Cell. I wanted to see his version of the Buu Saga and his first encounter with Black to build him up a bit more
- More locations besides Bulmas backyard and future backyard
- I loved Zamas & Black but I would have loved if they were just the start of a longer arc
- Black being Zamas. I was hoping that he was a Maikoshin because him being Zamas the entire time was some kind of "It was me Austin" storytelling and the Dark Realm would have been more interesting than Zamas watching GodTube and getting a hard on for Goku
- Ending made no sense. Like why the hell would Trunks just not stay with Mai especially after the fact that their timeline was erased and there are now DOUBLES of them
Other than that it was great. Black was the best villain since Frieza, Trunks was great, Vegeto etc.
Here is how I would book the arc
- An extra episode or two showing us what Future Trunks has been up to since Cell. I wanted to see his version of the Buu Saga and his first encounter with Black to build him up a bit more
- More locations besides Bulmas backyard and future backyard
- I loved Zamas & Black but I would have loved if they were just the start of a longer arc
- Black being Zamas. I was hoping that he was a Maikoshin because him being Zamas the entire time was some kind of "It was me Austin" storytelling and the Dark Realm would have been more interesting than Zamas watching GodTube and getting a hard on for Goku
- Ending made no sense. Like why the hell would Trunks just not stay with Mai especially after the fact that their timeline was erased and there are now DOUBLES of them
Other than that it was great. Black was the best villain since Frieza, Trunks was great, Vegeto etc.
Gun means nothing since you can use it to scare people off or in self defence with the cops
I'll give you the cars though but part of that was Vegeta
Which is funny because that's the only good thing Toyotaro decided to ignore. <3
I'm enjoying the hell out of "watcher Trunks" so far. /s
That was filler.
As for his gun, he still has one now, that doesn't mean he's shooting people. He just likes shooting inanimate things (like many people do). Could also be used as a way to scare people off.
Woah, my bad, this changes everything.
Reizo Ryuu
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Yeah ssj blue seems to be a regional thing, but rosé's long ass name should just be Rosé goku black now.
As a side note, they added magetta as a costume, and it actually turns "white hot" if you turn ssj.
What, you don't like petty White Mage Trunks?
Icyflamez96
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Yeah. I wouldn't say thought it was awful but a bit disappointing. Still overall enjoyable.
Maybe to your standards. They definitely don't match up with everyone's. Characters acting stupid is automatically "awful execution" for me, so there's a difference in standards right there.
Ultra Numb
Member
Even though the whole meditation and ultimate state pretty much goes against it, I would like to see the brutal, give no fucks Gohan one last time. Goku and Vegeta's rage-boosts have nothing on Gohan's brutality when he's angry.
twothunder
Member
Just saw the preview image. Guess Goku will be happy to have
as his next sparring partner
sure. And i'm certain that after zamasu defuses and Goku and Vegeta beat Black down and hold him still. Trunks might be allowed to smack him with the sword at least once
Just wait until Trunks sees a video of universe two and upgrades to magic boy status
Sailor Trunks and Tuxedo Mai will defeat all
Golden Freeza
sure. And i'm certain that after zamasu defuses and Goku and Vegeta beat Black down and hold him still. Trunks might be allowed to smack him with the sword at least once
Just wait until Trunks sees a video of universe two and upgrades to magic boy status
Sailor Trunks and Tuxedo Mai will defeat all
Host Samurai
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Can you picture Brianne or the Pride Troopers in Z? Brianne has to be the most WTF "this is so anime" character in the entire franchise.
Z? Probably not. Original DB? Yeah.
CherryWoodFuton
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I think Zamasu as far as a threat is one of the most if not most dangerous villain in DB. It took complete erasure from Zeno to get rid of him and ended up wiping out Trunks' whole world with it.
i legitimately hated the dude as soon as he bragged about killing Chi Chi and Goten
i legitimately hated the dude as soon as he bragged about killing Chi Chi and Goten
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