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[DJwest]

KOEI Tecmo launch ports are now the standard for showing off what a system is capable off ?

If Fire Emblem Warrios looks and performs bad, that would be an issue though.

I'm referring to the fact that Nintendo will have without a doubt the weakest console on the market for a 3rd straight generation. But now that you've mentioned it, do you expect even first party games to be graphical powerhouses as compared to what we have on PS4 or Xbox One ?

 

[mocolostrocolos]

GTA3 could fit on a 80min CD iirc.

Edit: Yeah I just checked. Both GTA3 and GTA VC should have no problems at all fitting on a 1.5gig GC disc. They were tiny ass games. SA might need some trimming, but obvious Rockstar didn't even consider the series for the GC.

Yeah, was talking about SA, didn't remember III at all.

 

[carlsojo]

Man there are downgrades and then there are downgrades. That looks bad.

 

[cw_sasuke]

I'm referring to the fact that Nintendo will have without a doubt the weakest console on the market for a 3rd straight generation. But now that you've mentioned it, do you expect even first party games to be graphical powerhouses as compared to what we have on PS4 or Xbox One ?

No one in their right mind buys a Nintendo system for graphical powerhouses - most people just want good looking games that perform good - we already had these on WiiU and will have them on Switch.

A early KT launch port isnt indicative of what the platform is able to produce. DQ Heroes 2 is like the 10th game they developed for PS4 - their first titles looked like Vita games in HD for the most part.

 

[2+2=5]

This is probably just a port that doesn't take advantage of switch power(in the comparison screen the vita version looks definitively better than the ps3 version imo), but honestly i was expecting a downport from ps4, not an upport from vita.

To people saying that there can't be multis between vita and switch because the power gap is too high do you realize that you are in a thread discussing the switch version of one of the many games that are multi between ps4 and vita right?

 

[Aostia]

This is probably just a port that doesn't take advantage of switch power(in the comparison screen the vita version looks definitively better than the ps3 version imo), but honestly i was expecting a downport from ps4, not an upport from vita.

To people saying that there can't be multis between vita and switch because the power gap is too high do you realize that you are in a thread discussing the switch version of one of the many games that are multi between ps4 and vita right?

ahah yes, that makes no sense to me

 

[The_Intruder]

This is probably just a port that doesn't take advantage of switch power(in the comparison screen the vita version looks definitively better than the ps3 version imo), but honestly i was expecting a downport from ps4, not an upport from vita.

To people saying that there can't be multis between vita and switch because the power gap is too high do you realize that you are in a thread discussing the switch version of one of the many games that are multi between ps4 and vita right?

Agreed, I'm really curious about how steep will look on this sytem, this could be a good indication how ports from ps4 or Xboxone will run on switch.

 

[hongcha]

No one in their right mind buys a Nintendo system for graphical powerhouses

There was a time when we did.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

People should start to make up their mind, but the Switch is the 3ds successor and not Wii U. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise.

 

[Guymelef]

People should start to make up their mind, but the Switch is the 3ds successor and not Wii U. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise.

Thats why Nintendo stopped Wii U production but no 3DS.

I feel like this argument is the perfect excuse for everything that is wrong with Switch.

 

[Drackhorn]

People should start to make up their mind, but the Switch is the 3ds successor and not Wii U. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise.

300 Dollars for a handheld?

 

[zoukka]

I'm actually impressed they got the game running on such weak hardware!

People should start to make up their mind, but the Switch is the 3ds successor and not Wii U. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise.

Nothing so far points to Switch being a 3DS successor. There were no games ported from 3DS, no sequels to 3DS games not to mention you need a fucking Pro Controller to play 2D games (no proper d-pad).

It's a successor to Wii U, deal with it.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Thats why Nintendo stopped Wii U production but no 3DS.

I feel like this argument is the perfect excuse for everything that is wrong with Switch.

They initially didn't stop producing the GBA, when they released the DS.

300 Dollars for a handheld?

Yes, have you seen prices for tablets with equal hardware?

 

[Drackhorn]

Yes, have you seen prices for tablets with equal hardware?

Nintendo never priced a handheld at 300 dollars and never would. Because it isn't. It really is a hybrid which is why you 're getting a dock. Also Nintendo itself told the press they perceive it as a home console mostly:

http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/20/13347910/nintendo-switch-home-gaming-system

So I guess that is what we have to make do with.

 

[Guymelef]

So you are telling me that the company that launched its previous handheld at $250 and was discounted so fast now comes again with a $300 handheld.

Makes sense.

You can bet things like next main Pokemon will be launched on 3DS as well.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

If the Switch flops... Can Sony make a Vita 2 and dominate the handheld scene? Would love to see a thread on this honestly, bc I'm under the impression that Sony could make a better performing handheld then the Switch and offer a lower price point to be competitive

 

[Mr Swine]

If the Switch flops... Can Sony make a Vita 2 and dominate the handheld scene? Would love to see a thread on this honestly, bc I'm under the impression that Sony could make a better performing handheld then the Switch and offer a lower price point to be competitive

Lol, seeing how Sony never supported Vita after a few months out and you believe that they would suddenly do that?

 

[LordKano]

If the Switch flops... Can Sony make a Vita 2 and dominate the handheld scene? Would love to see a thread on this honestly, bc I'm under the impression that Sony could make a better performing handheld then the Switch and offer a lower price point to be competitive

Because the Vita was such a huge success.

 

[Rncewind]

They initially didn't stop producing the GBA, when they released the DS.


Yes, have you seen prices for tablets with equal hardware?

and also 60 dollars for games


very handheld

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

If the Switch flops... Can Sony make a Vita 2 and dominate the handheld scene? Would love to see a thread on this honestly, bc I'm under the impression that Sony could make a better performing handheld then the Switch and offer a lower price point to be competitive

hahaha.

and also 60 dollars for games
very handheld

Are you kidding me? It's a handheld that can also be played on the TV.

 

[thuway]

LOL. But the game is playable, right?

Who cares? Why should we care?

Because this is a technical example of what to expect in future Japanese PS4 to Switch to Vita conversions. If you aren't interested you shouldn't barge in here and mock the science.

 

[Guymelef]

Nintendo never priced a handheld at 300 dollars and never would. Because it isn't. It really is a hybrid which is why you 're getting a dock. Also Nintendo itself told the press they perceive it as a home console mostly:

http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/20/13347910/nintendo-switch-home-gaming-system

So I guess that is what we have to make do with.

Kimishima even called it "new kind of home game system" during Switch presentation.

 

[Rncewind]

Are you kidding me? It's a handheld that can also be played on the TV.

So ok first off you can direct your "are you kidding me" elsewhere because nintendo themself said its in first a homeconsole, so stop describing me producuts and for what its intended better then company that produce it, thank you


second off what has your remark to do with that the hardware is console priced AND the games too?

 

[SmokedMeat]

People should start to make up their mind, but the Switch is the 3ds successor and not Wii U. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise.

It's replacing the Wii U and getting ports of Wii U games as well as other console games. It's getting console controllers, an arcade stick, and paid online. It's a console that you can take with you in portable form.

 

[LordKano]

Because this is a technical example of what to expect in future Japanese PS4 to Switch to Vita conversions. If you aren't interested you shouldn't barge in here and mock the science.

I don't think so. It's just a rushed port for release. That happens at every single launch without exception. Just look at how awful Dynasty Warriors 8 looked at PS4's release.

 

[itsFizz]

If the Switch flops... Can Sony make a Vita 2 and dominate the handheld scene? Would love to see a thread on this honestly, bc I'm under the impression that Sony could make a better performing handheld then the Switch and offer a lower price point to be competitive

I think the only chance for that to happen would be if Sony made a portable DL/pc transfer only 200$ PS4. That way they wouldn´t have to "care" about that specific system as all PS4 games would run on it. However that is a pipedream and won´t happen due to technical limitations.

OT: It really does look extraordinarily bad. Of course switch exclusives will look way better but for most multiplat games I think we can assume severe downgrades (maybe not as bad as this one).

 

[Guymelef]

I don't think so. It's just a rushed port for release. That happens at every single launch without exception. Just look at how awful Dynasty Warriors 8 looked at PS4's release.

It's an improvement over PS3 release,

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

It's replacing the Wii U and getting ports of Wii U games as well as other console games. It's getting console controllers, an arcade stick, and paid online. It's a console that you can take with you in portable form.

PSP got PS2 games, didn't make it a console. 3ds got Wii U ports as well.

So ok first off you can direct your "are you kidding me" elsewhere because nintendo themself said its in first a homeconsole, so stop describing me producuts and for what its intended better then company that produce it, thank you

I don't have to read marketing slides to see what this is from a technical point of view.

 

[Litri]

What can of downgrade is to have the game running with less polygon on less powerful hardware???

 

[Nerazar]

If the Switch flops... Can Sony make a Vita 2 and dominate the handheld scene? Would love to see a thread on this honestly, bc I'm under the impression that Sony could make a better performing handheld then the Switch and offer a lower price point to be competitive

Better performing? Not at this size and the price or the battery power.

But if they neglect price and battery, they might put that device into the market. But if people are not happy about the 3+ hours of battery life on the Switch, the same people should be outraged about the performance of the imaginary Vita 2.

 

[Rncewind]

I don't think so. It's just a rushed port for release. That happens at every single launch without exception. Just look at how awful Dynasty Warriors 8 looked at PS4's release.

thats like not even close

 

[The Hermit]

Summary of the thread is that Switch hw is worst than PS2 one, right?
And that UE4 games aren't a prominent reality for Japanese developers too.
And that MK8Deluxe runs on PS4.

Am I forgetting something?

Lol

My faith in GAF have never been lower. A few years ago this thread would be filled with " no shit probably" and 2 pages long.

 

[bidguy]

man nintendo is always stuck between gens lol

 

[Rncewind]

I don't have to read marketing slides to see what this is from a technical point of view.

No it seems like you ignore Arguments and go with that what you make allong it seems

switch is a washingmachine now because is say so /s

 

[zoukka]

I don't have to read marketing slides to see what this is from a technical point of view.

You do need facts thought. Switch can be used as a portable device. That's where the similarities with 3DS begin and end.

Of course this is something that could change in the future if Nintendo decides to kill the DS hardware line.

 

[Oregano]

You do need facts thought. DS can be used as a portable device. That's where the similarities with GBA begin and end.

Of course this is something that could change in the future if Nintendo decides to kill the Gameboy hardware line.

.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

No it seems like you ignore Arguments and go with that what you make allong it seems

switch is a washingmachine now because is say so /s

You also want it to be a PS4 Pro, so cool for you I guess?

 

[Rncewind]

You also want it to be a PS4 Pro, so cool for you I guess?

Where i did say that? please stop making stuff up

But hey Iget it, Nintendo, launching a 250 $ Handheld and being in forced to price cutting in immeadilty and saying they are not gonna repeat that mistake are launching an new primalrly handheld with docked mode for 300 $, 60 $ games and paid online and decide to tell people its a homeconsole first because for the lulz, its allright


carry on with your "arguments" its enough for me here lol

 

[SmokedMeat]

PSP got PS2 games, didn't make it a console. 3ds got Wii U ports as well

Handhelds don't receive enhanced ports of console games.

 

[Oregano]

The 3DS is about to turn six years old.

When is its successor being announced then?

Or do you think Nintendo is going to continue supporting it forever?

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Where i did say that? please stop making stuff up

But hey Iget it, Nintendo, launching a 250 $ Handheld and being in forced to price cutting in immeadilty and saying they are not gonna repeat that mistake are launching an new primalrly handheld with docked mode for 300 $, 60 $ games and paid online and decide to tell people its a homeconsole first because for the lulz, its allright


carry on with your "arguments" its enough for me here lol

Man your spelling got really bad, you're seriously mad at this point, ain't you?

Handhelds don't receive enhanced ports of console games.

Depends on what you call an enhanced port. Content? There are several examples of this happening or happen in the past. Like Monster Hunter (PS2) > Monster Hunter Portable (PSP)
Graphics? Yeah, this hasn't happened on the handheld space yet. But the Wii U was so weak, mobile caught up.

 

[Guymelef]

The 3DS is about to turn six years old.

When is its successor being announced then?

Or do you think Nintendo is going to continue supporting it forever?

Wii U is out of production, when is it successor being announced?

 

[faint.]

This is like a Ubisoft E3 demo compared to the actual game.

Spoiler

/s this is expected

 

[BigEmil]

Man your spelling got really bad, you're seriously mad at this point, ain't you?

Don't go for the 'you mad bruh' when you lose an argument looks petty

 

[Oregano]

Wii U is out of production, when is it successor being announced?

Switch is the successor to both.

 

[Mokujin]

Fry gets it.

 

[blu]

Man doing that on a big scale is probably very time consuming and difficult for devs.

This is like a demaster.

Devs nowadays are required to make games ranging from Switch all the way to Scorpio,Pro and PC.

What a nightmare.

Welcome to PC game development since.. ever.

 

[XandBosch]

I still say this is just a bad example/bad port. Look at Mario (which is heavily rumoured to be done, just delayed for economic reasons), look at Zelda, Steep was briefly shown, etc. Explain how this not-so-demanding game would look this much worse if not just due to a bad port like we get with every system launch.

 

[zoukka]

.

Like I said it's possible for Nintendo to merge the two console lines, but for now nothing points towards it. There are literally zero games that indicated 3DS developers transferring to Switch development so far.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Switch is the successor to both.

I can agree with this.

Like I said it's possible for Nintendo to merge the two console lines, but for now nothing points towards it. There are literally zero games that indicated 3DS developers transferring to Switch development so far.

Like I said it's like the GBA/DS situation. Should the Switch be a success, see less and less support for the 3ds coming.