I love their expression. Looks like they under some sort of mind control, just walking bodies doing someone elses biding.Not to mention that one face that all the NPC Asari share. Yes, one. Every Asari but PeeBee looks the same except for slight skin colour and marking variation:
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EA acknowledges Mass Effect Andromeda's animation issues (barely)
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The walk/run animation they mention is based off an exploitable user input which is a different case. I really doubt the facial stuff is going to be changed.
The thing that would really help a lot is some of the general Nexus jank, like NPC pathing and warping. The bulk of the buggy moments I see in Andromeda are transitions back to gameplay from the over the shoulder talking, smoothing that stuff out would go a long way.
The thing that would really help a lot is some of the general Nexus jank, like NPC pathing and warping. The bulk of the buggy moments I see in Andromeda are transitions back to gameplay from the over the shoulder talking, smoothing that stuff out would go a long way.
Not to mention that one face that all the NPC Asari share. Yes, one. Every Asari but PeeBee looks the same except for slight skin colour and marking variation:
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How does this happen? How does nobody think "hey maybe every single character from a certain species shouldn't have the exact same face" Seriously how? There's no way something that blatant was just an oversight.
Yeah. and with 5 year development cycle, this is just laziness to the new height.
Not to mention that one face that all the NPC Asari share. Yes, one. Every Asari but PeeBee looks the same except for slight skin colour and marking variation:
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Not just Asari, but also some Salarians reuse models and even textures for two major characters.
oneils
Member
They must have known the reaction they were going to get. Still don't understand why they showed off the conversation between sloane and Ryder in their big reveal. And then they had the balls to tell us it was still in development and was being "fixed." I have shelved single player for now due to the jankiness and am playing multiplayer. Did the scene get changed at all? Haven't got to it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
why is OP calling them bugs? It's the animations the game shipped with, they are just bad.
Nonetheless there's only so many bugs they can work on at once and that list will hopefully popularize over time. It's a very buggy game and imo animations are the least of the issue, public opinion just latched onto them.
Nonetheless there's only so many bugs they can work on at once and that list will hopefully popularize over time. It's a very buggy game and imo animations are the least of the issue, public opinion just latched onto them.
Noisepurge
Member
ran out of money at some point and "wishlist functionality" like these are the first to get cut out as they won't affect the gameplay.
read this http://www.animstate.com/round-table-mass-effect-andromeda/
ScaryShark
Banned
I don't think this is accurate. I'm pretty sure Kalinda, Lexi and Keri don't have the same face. Same with the Asari in Cora's loyalty mission (blanking on name).Not to mention that one face that all the NPC Asari share. Yes, one. Every Asari but PeeBee looks the same except for slight skin colour and marking variation:
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It doesn't excuse the army of reused faces and no asari looks as good or unique as Samara or Liara and that's definitely disappointing but I don't think it's as universally as bad as you say. Still not great in a game of this type.
ISee
Member
Repear indoctrination theory confirmed.
infinityBCRT
Member
Poor management. This feels so much like Dragon Age 2. They thought they could get away with cutting corners, but everyone noticed.
I don't buy the laziness argument. This is about where they decided to spend the game's budget. And poor judgement.
On the positive side, now that there is a Mass Effect running on Frostbite, they could address most of the issues and turn around a much higher quality game in less time.
they must be ecstatic nobody is talking about the awful quest design and horrible writing
release my mom or we kill everyone!
what would your mom think of that?
yes, you're right. bye!
for some reason it really stood out to me how fast a fundamentalist nutjob came to his senses. if only.
what would your mom think of that?
yes, you're right. bye!
for some reason it really stood out to me how fast a fundamentalist nutjob came to his senses. if only.
Yeah, the animation stuff i can get over, but hearing people talk about the poor quests and characters is what stopped me from buying the game. I really hope its not the end of mass effect as i want them to continue.
ISee
Member
Slightly higher ambient occlusion. Downsampling from 1800c to 1080p. Same performance as base model (drops down to 25fps).
It's everything. Poor facial animations, dead eyes, bad dialogue and story, horrible ui, unlikeable characters. This game feels like it was made by people replicating bioware, without having enough experience (or skill) to do it.
Cool but I am asking for a 1080p mode as Bioware had told us so that the game may finally run in solid 30 fps...
StarlordDial
Member
I think playing it for over 40+ hours now... I had few of the animation issues that it was having but people are kinda overlooking although, I think some are also already noticing the story, narration and the characters are like ..... jeez man ... they are trying so hard to do the mass effect 1 magic again but it fell flat. Some parts of the game had its moment but overall,If the animations did not have its issues now, I feel everything else are not delievering what it wants to deliver . Hoping the DLC's can at least redeem some quality story,character and narration wise.
It's funny because the trial really shows the bad quest design off and when people commented on it the usual superfans attacked us saying it's only a demo, nothing like an MMO etc. It's like... It's as bad as almost everyone predicted lol
ScaryShark
Banned
I've never had a bigger gulf between what the popular sentiment of a game is and how I personally feel about it than with Andromeda. Especially on the characters.
I'm almost at the end but I'm continually surprised to see hate for the characters in this game. Especially if you were to compare it to the first game in the OT.
ME:A feels a lot like the creators were big fans of the Citadel DLC and that influence is sprinkled all over the place in this and it's something I personally really enjoy. Andromeda doesn't have the same 'pace' as 2 and 3 and it gives the characters a lot more time to have interactions that make sense for a more laid back experience. I've really enjoyed my time with all of these new characters pretty universally and I thought almost all of the conclusions to their personal missions and the fallout from them were handled very well and were often quite touching.
*shrugs*
I'm almost at the end but I'm continually surprised to see hate for the characters in this game. Especially if you were to compare it to the first game in the OT.
ME:A feels a lot like the creators were big fans of the Citadel DLC and that influence is sprinkled all over the place in this and it's something I personally really enjoy. Andromeda doesn't have the same 'pace' as 2 and 3 and it gives the characters a lot more time to have interactions that make sense for a more laid back experience. I've really enjoyed my time with all of these new characters pretty universally and I thought almost all of the conclusions to their personal missions and the fallout from them were handled very well and were often quite touching.
*shrugs*
family_guy
Member
I feel like the rush to make fiscal year hurt the game. The question is will they take their money and run or stay around for long term support. Games like the Witcher, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls all are much better games 6 months to a year after they launched. Of course I don't think they'll patch the bad writing.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Game needs more time in the oven. Been playing P4 till P5 comes out. Couldn't push myself to play Andromeda more than 12 hours before I put it on the back end of the backlog.
Decided to return my copy for PS4 and keep it on Origin. I had played through 1 and 2, so there is that. 2 starts off very well and it's just something that I felt Andromeda couldn't deliver on; a Strong Start.
Edit: Also, noticed Ryders default hair (fem Ryder) looks exactly the same as an Asian woman that is part of the crew, in the ship. I kind of expected the main characters hair to be unique, especially the default.
Decided to return my copy for PS4 and keep it on Origin. I had played through 1 and 2, so there is that. 2 starts off very well and it's just something that I felt Andromeda couldn't deliver on; a Strong Start.
Edit: Also, noticed Ryders default hair (fem Ryder) looks exactly the same as an Asian woman that is part of the crew, in the ship. I kind of expected the main characters hair to be unique, especially the default.
ISee
Member
They are better games with the added content. The difference is they were all great games before the extra content. An exception would be fallout:nv which was extremely bugy, but had at least a good foundation and the core elements (world, freedome, narrative, exploration) weren't flawed.
ME:A is in a different spot, because it isn't a great game on its own.
I think it actually got worse. Not joking.
Not to mention that one face that all the NPC Asari share. Yes, one. Every Asari but PeeBee looks the same except for slight skin colour and marking variation:
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A lot of asset reuse for all the characters. Humans, Turians, Salarians, Krogan etc.
It is what it is. At least we know now why they had so many lead devs leave, why Edmonton was brought in for help, why it took 5+ years and why we went two whole E3's without any footage until essentially that Vault walkthrough and then a few weeks before launch when we finally saw things at PAX east etc.
There are good parts to the game. But visuallt and technically it isn't anywhere near GOTY AAA title.
LlamaJohnson
Member
I wont go into how much I disagree with the overall hate for this game... Let's just say that I am a big fan of the game, and can take some of the issues better than most I guess.
Animation bugs will most likely never be fixed. At this point all I really want is a better character creator. Hell give me the pre patch model and I'll be happy.
Animation bugs will most likely never be fixed. At this point all I really want is a better character creator. Hell give me the pre patch model and I'll be happy.
Unaha-Closp
Member
It's not the animations that made me not buy this game. Fix away EA I'm still not buying it full price when there are so many good games with interesting stories and good voice acting that look incredible and play well out now that it's bargain bin city for me. A Whole New Galaxy. Same Old Shit. Bargain Bin City.
It certainly wasn't "laziness". I'm sure they've been in crunch mode and panic mode for months knowing the state of the game and their inability to acquire any further delays to fix things.
It's not like the developers were all just sitting at their desks fiddling about and watching cat videos all day. It's a huge game and there had to have been countless problems.
What we're seeing is the IMPROVED version of the game compared to the "we can't show this to the public yet" version of the game that must have existed a few months prior. And I'm starting to believe quite strongly that that "5 year development cycle" spent at least three of those years figuring out where to take the series after ME3's ending and figuring out what the story might be.
Doesn't excuse a buggy game, of course. All games cut some corners, but in ME:A's case, we see it more often than most games. The game, despite that "five year cycle", is clearly rushed, incomplete, and missing at least one or two (or three) more polish passes and waves of bug fixes.
Chexr
Member
I've been in QA before, I could definitely see this happening. Normally there were a bunch of devs who "fixed" bugs by taking out content, or they made lazy fixes that would just create several other problems just so they could get their bug count up.
Then there was a smaller amount of specific devs who got all the real shit done. If I saw that one of these devs fixed a bug I put in, I could be sure that they had actually gone into the game to play test the fix themselves.
dr_rus
Member
Yeah, this.
After playing for about 5 hours I can safely say that MEA's animation issue is blown out of proportion really. What was posted in GIFs is there, sure, but it's like 1/100th of what's there in terms of animation and the 99/100 is completely normal.
I'd also like to say that this is another case where an ME game is being bashed for something which is hardly it's biggest problem - last time this happened with ME3 being bashed for it's ending while there were loads and loads of way more important issues with the game. Same is happening to MEA now - so if EA is listening I hope that they won't put 90% of ME5 budget on animation quality because of this feedback.
IISANDERII
Member
It terrifies me that behind the scenes they may be flogging and beating the development team.
Just do like me, sell the game before even opening it. Haha
I'll come back when it's sub $20. I have too much of a backlog already.
If Square can do it with FF XV then, yes its possible to fix what you mentioned.
But Square is probably the "go to" dev, when it comes to releasing broken games and then turning them around 180 and making them incredible.
They keep doing that.
EA.................
Masterspeed
Member
Step A plus Step B causes Step C
EA: Don't do Step B right after Step A then you won't see Step C.
Blegh.
Lexi's face is identical to the others, she just has a lip stripe.
BouncyFrag
Member
I doubt they can even improve the horribad character creator.
Nice.
Andodalf
Banned
I mean the the glitch they reference is pretty much never going to happen in normal gameplay. Its hard to unintentionally preform, for me at least.
Diablohead
Member
Whoever did face modelling for most of andromeda's women used the same nose base, it's obvious.
RedlineRonin
Member
Well, after my 35 hrs, I'm kinda getting bored anyway, so I think I'm gonna flip to Nier and wait and see what happens with a few months of patching and fixes. It likely won't fix my core gripes with the game, but good on EA and Bioware for taking it seriously and addressing the issues people have with animation (as dr rus said above, hardly my biggest gripe, but at least they're fixing it)
I literally stopped playing ME3 the second I saw the run animation when told to do it during the tutorial section. Went through me like nails on a chalkboard.
Went back to it earlier this year in prep for Andromeda and completed it in short time. Glad I did, it was a great game. Aside from that animation.
Went back to it earlier this year in prep for Andromeda and completed it in short time. Glad I did, it was a great game. Aside from that animation.
I know Edmonton is working on a Star Wars game atm... I dearly, dearly hope that doesn't mean Montreal will start work on the next Dragon Age.
Please, no...
On the other hand, outside of clear issues like the bugs and lack of faces, amateurish writing and anything else we find wrong with it, I haven't actually experienced that much wrong with the animation. The two worst experiences I've had so far are two Dracks appearing in the kitchen, and Kallo sinking into his chair in one scene (he was back to normal when the camera cut back to him).
Stupid mistakes and bugs, yes, but I think the issue is a little overblown... at least from my experience. I've seen the videos showing the very worst.
I can say this for the game - it's stable. My pc copy hasn't crashed once - Witcher 3 on the other hand still crashes randomly every now and then. And I'm getting great performance on my pc - on an i5 4690K, 16GB 1333 and Radeon R9 390X, I typically see frame rates of 70-100+ at mostly ultra settings at 1080P... dipping down to the mid-40's during conversations as with everyone else, of course.
Please, no...
On the other hand, outside of clear issues like the bugs and lack of faces, amateurish writing and anything else we find wrong with it, I haven't actually experienced that much wrong with the animation. The two worst experiences I've had so far are two Dracks appearing in the kitchen, and Kallo sinking into his chair in one scene (he was back to normal when the camera cut back to him).
Stupid mistakes and bugs, yes, but I think the issue is a little overblown... at least from my experience. I've seen the videos showing the very worst.
I can say this for the game - it's stable. My pc copy hasn't crashed once - Witcher 3 on the other hand still crashes randomly every now and then. And I'm getting great performance on my pc - on an i5 4690K, 16GB 1333 and Radeon R9 390X, I typically see frame rates of 70-100+ at mostly ultra settings at 1080P... dipping down to the mid-40's during conversations as with everyone else, of course.
Whompa02
Member
Not to mention that one face that all the NPC Asari share. Yes, one. Every Asari but PeeBee looks the same except for slight skin colour and marking variation:
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Jesus. Didn't Asari have different faces in the original trilogy?! Wtf are they doing...