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[javac]

We still have the Wii U... right?

Its not so much as Wii U VS the world, on the contrary. Its just, people always state that customers shouldn't put up with Nintendo's 'shenanigans' in regards to power, online etc. Now that the outlook for 720/PS4 could be grim (maybe not! It could be false info, or not as bad as we thought even) and I'm just curious if the tune will indeed change for the new consoles or will the pied piper continue to play its tune in the so called 'echo chamber' despite the fact you cant play second hand games even though its more anti consumer then anything done by the 'other' party.

Its no big deal if someone buys the 720/PS4 even if it does indeed have this 'feature' and no one will hold it against them and it doesn't make them 'fanboys' it just more to do with the shoes on the other foot.

 

[Rootbeer]

Gamestop shaking in their boots right now.

 

[omonimo]

Forcing a constant online connection would be terrible.

My God, this is even worse of blocked the second-hand market... is really microsoft that stupid? I can't believe it.

 

[wildfire]

There's always the Wii U.

The WiiU doesn't have too many games I'm interested in besides ZombiU. I'll just get a PS3 when the price drops occur on eBay once the PS4 is announced.

 

[Ashes]

Like, oh I don't know, paid online?

 

[StreetsAhead]

Seriously, this would be terrible. I don't even want to contemplate what would happen if both Sony and Microsoft did this. I don't like people who say doomed, but yeah. The thing should be torn to fucking pieces in the media and by gamers if this is the case.

 

[whatevermort]

No second hand games?
Disgusting if true.

Yeah: PC gaming is vile as well. Awful. SICKENING.

I say this as somebody in the industry who gives a shit about his livelihood and future ability to work on games: I'm fine with this.

 

[Glass Rebel]

SteamCast
SEGA x Valve


Launch Titles:
Half-Life 3
Shenmue 3


Total global domination.

 

[Kokonoe]

Gamestop shaking in their boots right now.

To be honest, it seems more to me that Microsoft is letting their success go to their heads.

 

[Sephiroth503]

The one time activation code; the end of friends being lended a game I suppose!

 

[Pooya]

I'm okay with this if it means they'll:

A) Encourage third parties to release non-blockbuster games (i.e. games that aren't Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed or Madden) at less than $60.

B) Have Steam like sales on legacy content.

It's safe to assume, it won't. this is just a response to all the used games are killing industry blah blah.

 

[Sid]

But that's not sticking it to the man since the PC is the same.

PC games are cheaper for a start and then they have better graphics etc. but seriously this won't dissuade me from buying the next gen consoles anyways.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

well sounds horrible, gonna screw over many customers that lack internet 24/7. Will MS still require $60 for online play still?

 

[Phat Michael]

Wow.

This means lots of people here will proclaim this product dead on arrival while it becomes the market leader.

Yep. Loving the melt downs.

My 360 is always on the internet, so is my PS3 and PC. No big deal to me. 2nd hand games well..again, i like to keep my games but i think people should wait for confirmatoin before jumping off the boat as usual.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

If this is true, GOOD LUCK with all that, next xbox. Not for me.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

They just keep pushing me away

 

[saltine161]

The horror of no second hand games is terrible, but I guess I could see Microsoft doing that in some weird way. (will not buy if true though)
What makes this seem untrue to me is the always online function, this would be a complete 180 from Microsoft's push into the casual market with the Kinect.

 

[michaelius]

Sounds great! The prices of games will be comparable to Steam right, and regularly available cheaper through 3rd party sellers? Right guys? Guys?

Of course and BTW i have a nice summer house on the moon which i could sell very cheaply.

 

[clay_ghost]

SteamCast
SEGA x Valve


Launch Titles:
Half-Life 3
Shenmue 3


Total global domination.

Valve will force SEGA to use steam lol

 

[Uiki]

I very much doubt this information.

At e3, final moments of the unveil conference...


"..oh, guys, forgot to mention, one more thing............."


LOL

 

[Despera]

well sounds horrible, gonna screw over many customers that lack internet 24/7. Will MS still require $60 for online play still?

No second hand games.

No offline play.

But hey, XBOX Live Gold is now free!!

 

[Acquiescence]

Please Sony, don't follow in Microsoft's footsteps.

Look, see...

There's a face you can trust.

 

[SovanJedi]

WiiU, WiiU, WiiU.

No way - all the companies will be behind the "no second hand" idea/consoles due to the misguided belief that second hand sales are a terrible evil in this industry, which means all the third party support will go to them and the Wii U is left for dust. Again. :<

 

[Seep]

Reduce the price of the games then or I'll skip it this time. What about rentals?

 

[Sojgat]

Microsoft’s next console will require an Internet connection in order to function

Microsoft: Insuring a superior user experience for pirates everywhere.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I take this with a pinch of salt (same with the Sony one mentioned before) but

If this was true and if the PS4 preventing used games is true then it would spell the end for Non-nintendo consoles. There would be a huge backlash from consumers (obvious reason), Gamestop, GAME, etc since they wouldn't be able to stock used games anymore. While the former means lower than expected sales (since people who don't care will still buy the consoles), the latter could easily make GS, GAME, etc refuse to stock the consoles (and games for the consoles) entirely.

Now that would really help end both Sony and MS' console career.

Still, I'm hoping neither of the rumours like this are true.

I don't think you understand. This feature will be there because publishers want this. If you don't want this, you will have to ignore all non-Nintendo games too (oh, and have fun with region-locked Nintendo games).

 

[slider]

I'm wondering how to lessen the blow. Or at least the perception of it.

Online passcodes, or a variation of it, is the obvious one but that sucks too (as someone who has never bought secondhand). Hmm.

 

[miksar]

I'm sure most of you who complain about second-hand games and internet-only will buy one, probably even at launch. Unfortunately gamers are very forgiving when it comes to such bullshit.

 

[Orayn]

They're not going to do this. It's commercial suicide, especially when their competitors aren't going to do it.

Edge's sources are trolling them, surely, very hard to believe.

Like, oh I don't know, paid online?

Sadly, Dave is probably right. If Microsoft goes through with this, I don't think it'll hurt them at all.

 

[XenodudeX]

Its not so much as Wii U VS the world, on the contrary. Its just, people always state that customers shouldn't put up with Nintendo's 'shenanigans' in regards to power, online etc. Now that the outlook for 720/PS4 could be grim (maybe not! It could be false info, or not as bad as we thought even) and I'm just curious if the tune will indeed change for the new consoles or will the pied piper continue to play its tune in the so called 'echo chamber' despite the fact you cant play second hand games even though its more anti consumer then anything done by the 'other' party.

Its no big deal if someone buys the 720/PS4 even if it does indeed have this 'feature' and no one will hold it against them and it doesn't make them 'fanboys' it just more to do with the shoes on the other foot.

Lets face it, people will bitch and moan about, but will still buy it in droves. Sony and Microsoft knows this for a fact.

 

[lefantome]

All the rumors pointing me towards: "I'm not buying the console" hopefully in few weeks we will se what sony has to offer.

 

[Slygmous]

If this is true then I HAVE to sit this one out, my connection here just isn't reliable.

 

[ZombieFred]

Why do I have a feeling that some of these articles are done on purpose to just dick around with people being obsessed with rumours before any official reveals? This stuff is crazy.

 

[Omikaru]

Oh dear. This further cements me not getting Durango if it's true. I really, really, really hope Sony don't go down this path.

If I ever bought a console that did this, I'd definitely wait until bomba prices before buying a game. No way I'm paying £30-£40 for something I can't sell.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Definte deal-breaker if Sony and MS go through with this "no second-hand" bullshit. Always online is also a terrible concept, but I'll live with it though.

 

[plagiarize]

so... it begins.

not that I'm presuming Sony and MS won't BOTH do this (either both or neither, anything else is suicide), but talk of devs finding it harder to code for etc, on top of the lower paper specs has me really hoping that Sony unveil the PS4 with a controller I don't hate (I hate the DS3 personally).

It's the main thing that gives me pause when it comes to buying a PS4 before a Durango. Maybe third parties will come to the rescue, but usually third parties controllers are shit too.

 

[McBradders]

What if both the consoles do the same thing? PC Gaming would EXPLODE this fall.

Yes, yes that haven of second hand game trading...

 

[dan2026]

You guys cant seriously believe any of this?

There is zero chance of the xbox needing to be always online, zero, zero, zero.
Maybe in twenty years when internet connections are better and more importantly everywhere. But for now zero chance.

Also for the anti-secong hand games thing, is extremely unlikely.
Are they really going to cut out all the high street stores.
I doubt it.

You guys are fools if you believe this rubbish.

 

[gofreak]

On further thought, the 'requiring an internet connection' bit, to merely function, seems really crazy.

Then again I guess they need that to do the second hand thing :/

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

The ability to play second hand discs would make a good Gold feature. Get on it Microsoft.

 

[Hoo-doo]

To be fair, none of these things would dissuade me from a purchase, really.
Never buy used and have reliable fast internet.

The always-online thing would just be way less convenient, and bring lots of headaches to the experience of playing a console. Hope they decide against.

 

[Ravensmash]

Guess we'll be seeing a marked decline in new game sales then!

 

[Riposte]

I see this as fumbling the football. Now to see if Sony grabs the ball... and run straight out of bounds for no damn reason.

 

[madmackem]

their is same rumors for sony going always online so dont start bashing ms just yet

Ill bash all them if they go this route, its fucking silly and rules out a large market. Also no second hand games fuck that, i often by second hand games or sell my games on to friends and family.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Its not so much as Wii U VS the world, on the contrary. Its just, people always state that customers shouldn't put up with Nintendo's 'shenanigans' in regards to power, online etc. Now that the outlook for 720/PS4 could be grim (maybe not! It could be false info, or not as bad as we thought even) and I'm just curious if the tune will indeed change for the new consoles or will the pied piper continue to play its tune in the so called 'echo chamber' despite the fact you cant play second hand games even though its more anti consumer then anything done by the 'other' party.

Its no big deal if someone buys the 720/PS4 even if it does indeed have this 'feature' and no one will hold it against them and it doesn't make them 'fanboys' it just more to do with the shoes on the other foot.

Haha, I rescind the "good people" status. You're clearly playing a side here. A shame, maybe you'll mature over the years when you gain more for funds for easy multi-console ownership.

I guess the irony is Nintendo couldnt even do this with the WiiU if they tried due to the lack of an account system and owning your games to redownload across boxes.

 

[maquiladora]

The one time activation code; the end of friends being lended a game I suppose!

Unless they have some kind of game sharing code system?

 

[Always-honest]

Since the device is aimed as a television streaming device for the usa, they better have some really really great exclusive games for me as a european to buy it. Rght now, it sounds like just a ps4 WiiU combo for me.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Online activation is fine, I need to go through that same shit with my Steam games. However, always-on as a requirement would be unacceptable. Getting a boot out of the game or whatever I'm doing every time my connection hiccups? No, thanks.

 

[Steroyd]

I generally buy games when they're so cheap there's almost no point in re-selling anyway.

That being said, I do tend to sell Pro Evo/Fifa [insert year] every year when the new one is out, so it would be absolutely shitty to be stuck with every iteration of Fifa/PES during the duration of the PS4/Nextbox era.

Also it's sounding like the roles are reversed in which company is providing the more developer friendly environment to develop on, very interesting.

 

[Xater]

Lets face it, people will bitch and moan about, but will still buy it in droves. Sony and Microsoft knows this for a fact.

Will they? I am really not so sure about it. I don't think the general consumer is that dumb. I mean how did the PSP Go work out for Sony?