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The Fallout series is damn near illustrious outside of gamebyro jank. Fuck graphics debates, these games have always been about post apocalyptic moral desicion making and world exploration.

 

[rjinaz]

I don't think we have any idea where the bombs were dropped. At least, looking at the Great War on the Fallout Wiki.

The great war is a pretty interesting read (has the accuracy been verified?): we don't know who fired first, it lasted roughly 2 hours, we don't know the extent of the damage (some cities like Washington D.C. weren't totally destroyed because apparently the bombs were low yield or something), and New Vegas was spared thanks to Mr. House's quick thinking (he knew the war was coming so he had point-defense laser canons on the top of buildings and when the missiles were coming he used computers to brute force them with disarm codes).

For all we know, Boston could be like New Vegas - someone knew what was coming and set up the proper defenses or it wasn't targeted or something. We can only speculate until the game comes out.

This image is based off of map speculation from this reddit thread, good speculation at that.

Again just speculation but it does show it's possible that if only one nuke hit in Brighton, that some of Boston at least would remain untouched

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada.
Period of time: Annexing of Canada, or after the Nuclear war

Whether you're American, or Canadian, I think it would be a great time for a Fallout game to be set.

Game or DLC, idgaf, let me walk around Toronto in an apocolyptic setting, or the annexing, please. Bethesda, pleeeaaassseee.


I know it won't happen because Bethesda ants to keep it in the USA, but I can hope

 

[The Lone Courier]

The scaling would be troublesome, but I still say San Diego/Tijuana would be great.

Yes I would love to see my hometown Fallout-ized.

 

[Enduin]

This image is based off of map speculation from this reddit thread, good speculation at that.

Again just speculation but it does show it's possible that if only one nuke hit in Brighton, that some of Boston at least would remain untouched

Interesting stuff to say the least. But the problem is though Boston is one of the biggest cities in the US. They dropped like 77 nukes on Vegas alone, I can't imagine only one bomb hitting Boston. Not to mention it's cultural and historical significance which would make it an even greater target. It would be kind of weird for them to have also had a House like Iron Dome to protect them even with MIT right there. So I wonder what they'll come up with, if anything, to explain the condition of the city.

 

[rjinaz]

Interesting stuff to say the least. But the problem is though Boston is one of the biggest cities in the US. They dropped like 77 nukes on Vegas alone, I can't imagine only one bomb hitting Boston. Not to mention it's cultural and historical significance which would make it an even greater target. It would be kind of weird for them to have also had a House like Iron Dome to protect them even with MIT right there. So I wonder what they'll come up with, if anything, to explain the condition of the city.

This is true, I have seen others point that out as well. Why would only one nuke be sent? I guess it could be story related. Maybe MIT had some kind of secret technology to neutralize the bombs but the one bomb was out of range and hit anyway?

 

[On Demand]

I would be really bummed if this is true. Fallout without S.P.E.C.I.A.L is just not fallout to me anymore but rather... skyrim with guns.

Another thing I am personally really worried about is the potential exlusion of Hardcore Mode. HM made New Vegas so much more fun for me and I just can't go back to Regular anymore when playing Fallout.
But we haven't heard anything on that front yet so I remain optimistic.

There's a "you're special" book on the floor in the baby's room. I wouldn't worry about it.


Today i felt like starting a new game in Fallout 3. First time i've done it since i got the game years ago. What got me was exiting the vault still had the same affect as the first time i played it. That sense of awe seeing that big open landscape and wondering what the hell is out there in that beautifully destroyed mess. Being in the vault for awhile is the perfect contrast to when you get outside. What a great feeling.

With Fallout 4's brighter environments and colors, i hope that depressing dead world mood and look is still there. That's the main reason why i loved 3 over NV.

 

[lighthouse777]

Interesting stuff to say the least. But the problem is though Boston is one of the biggest cities in the US. They dropped like 77 nukes on Vegas alone, I can't imagine only one bomb hitting Boston. Not to mention it's cultural and historical significance which would make it an even greater target. It would be kind of weird for them to have also had a House like Iron Dome to protect them even with MIT right there. So I wonder what they'll come up with, if anything, to explain the condition of the city.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tragedy_Has_Befallen_All_Mankind

In the FNV storyline, Mr. House's defense systems defeated only 68 of the 77 incoming nuclear warheads. The note states that he destroyed all of the nuclear warheads, not only 68. This could just be poetic license on his part, however.

 

[Lucreto]

I hope they expand on the Hearthfire dlc from Skyrim. Build your own homestead by collecting scrap metal and other odds and ends.

 

[Dennis]

How times have changed


Ignorance is bliss

This is pretty silly. People are obviously judging Fallout 4 compared to other contemporary AAA open world games - which seems fair to me.

 

[djshauny]

This is pretty silly. People are obviously judging Fallout 4 compared to other contemporary AAA open world games - which seems fair to me.

Na its stupid really isnt it.

 

[DOWN]

Why do people keep saying it is much improved over Fallout 3 and New Vegas graphically? Like duh? Compare it to Skyrim for accuracy, no?

 

[Beelzebufo]

Just bought the 40% off New Vegas. Only played a tiny bit, but I love the desert! Seems like a perfect fit for this kind of series. It's a shame my laptop sucks so the frame rates kinda shitty but I've been playing Witcher 3 so I'm used to it haha.

Voice actors are so baaad though.

Just give us a good radio selection Bethesda! Best part about these games I swear. I want 4Dog to play the Mills Brothers.

 

[KatamariOnTheRocks]

How times have changed


Ignorance is bliss

Wow its so crazy that over a decade people expect graphics to impove, they must be stupid for wanting games to look better after that much time.

This is just as disingenuous as people claiming the game looks the same as FO3.

Expectations and standards change over time. That's a good thing.

Hey you're not allowed to want good graphics AND good gameplay, it always has to be one or the other, and graphics can never impove , no exceptions /s

Not even then. You'll notice that many of the people upset with the graphics are pc gamers. It's unlikely even the ps6 will be matching what pcs do at the time of its release. So to pc gamers most of what comes out on consoles will look like crap comparatively to what they are used to. Basically, it will never end until consoles die off or change in some drastic fashion.

Being a PC gamer has no relevance to people voicing legitimate concerns over the graphical fidelity of a yet to be released game.

It's extremely petty of you to try to downplay legitimate concerns because someone chooses a different platform to play their games on than you.

The whole graphical discussion has been settled but it doesn't mean you need to be salty that people brought it up in the first place.

 

[rjinaz]

Being a PC gamer has no relevance to people voicing legitimate concerns over the graphical fidelity of a yet to be released game.

It's extremely petty of you to try to downplay legitimate concerns because someone chooses a different platform to play their games on than you.

The whole graphical discussion has been settled but it doesn't mean you need to be salty that people brought it up in the first place.

Oh I think it has relevance, it seems obvious to me pc gamers would expect more, no?

I wasn't downplaying anything regardless of how you chose to read my comments, I was simply pointing out that this kind of thing is not going away because pcs will likely always be better than consoles which will mean certain people will expect more out of the games that come out on consoles. I was pointing out a truth.

I'm not salty at all, I disagree with the rage completely, but even I admit the graphics weren't spectacular, heck my first impression was along the lines of "this does not look good, I expected more". But after watching the HD trailer on gamershyde and thinking how great it will be to lose things like loading times, I'm content.

 

[Venom Fox]

Definitely coming in October,, there are adverts on YouTube for the game.
If the game was 2016 then why would they have ads so early!

 

[rjinaz]

Definitely coming in October,, there are adverts on YouTube for the game.
If the game was 2016 then why would they have ads so early!

Yeah it does seem too soon for a 2016 title. I suppose it could be argued that preorders just opened up so it would make sense to advertise that for a while anyway. But they wouldn't make a deal with dominos so early. That kind of thing would make more sense if the game was only a few months out.

 

[fluffydelusions]

How times have changed


Ignorance is bliss

I remember being amazed by super mario bros 3 graphics as a kid when it was first showed in that movie the wiz and then I saw donkey kong country graphics on snes a few years later and thought it would not get better lol

 

[Beelzebufo]

Oh I think it has relevance, it seems obvious to me pc gamers would expect more, no?

I wasn't downplaying anything regardless of how you chose to read my comments, I was simply pointing out that this kind of thing is not going away because pcs will likely always be better than consoles which will mean certain people will expect more out of the games that come out on consoles. I was pointing out a truth.

I'm not salty at all, I disagree with the rage completely, but even I admit the graphics weren't spectacular, heck my first impression was along the lines of "this does not look good, I expected more". But after watching the HD trailer on gamershyde and thinking how great it will be to lose things like loading times, I'm content.

How did that happen lol

 

[KatamariOnTheRocks]

Oh I think it has relevance, it seems obvious to me pc gamers would expect more, no?

I wasn't downplaying anything regardless of how you chose to read my comments, I was simply pointing out that this kind of thing is not going away because pcs will likely always be better than consoles which will mean certain people will expect more out of the games that come out on consoles. I was pointing out a truth.

I'm not salty at all, I disagree with the rage completely, but even I admit the graphics weren't spectacular, heck my first impression was along the lines of "this does not look good, I expected more". But after watching the HD trailer on gamershyde and thinking how great it will be to lose things like loading times, I'm content.

To say that PC gamers expect more is not the same as saying that they'll never be happy even in several generations.

I assume you mean that due to the difference in hardware they will always want to make the most of their systems despite the fact that consoles have the largest install base and therefore dictate where the bar is set in regards to development of games.

I think it's unreasonable to think that the current graphics can only be attributed to resources being diverted to places that increase game play mechanics.

While that is possible it's not necessarily true because you can never know how things could have been handled if the project only began development once the next Gen had started, and I would have personally preferred that to happen even if it obviously meant the game being pushed back for the sake of a better final product.

I want Fallout 4 to be the best possible version of the game that it can be and it's frustrating to see people shrug off the graphical fidelity as if it has absolutely no bearing on the gaming experience when that's simply hyperbole and not true.

Some people may over/understate the importance but it's not fair to dismiss people as being wrong for being unhappy with low fidelity graphics.

And it's especially uncool to talk down on people for simply expecting more, I understand shitting on the game and not expressing why you dislike it, but I don't understand people making hyperbolic statements that tell devs it's OK that they don't prioritize graphics since people will rationalize it for them anyway.

 

[rjinaz]

How did that happen lol

You mean my post changing? Yeah I went to add another quote into my post to avoid double posting and I accidentally deleted the original content about the radio. D'oh.

I assume that's what you mean.

 

[Beelzebufo]

You mean my post changing? Yeah I went to add another quote into my post to avoid double posting and I accidentally deleted the original content about the radio. D'oh.

I assume that's what you mean.

Yeahhh, I was really confused for a second haha.

How times have changed


Ignorance is bliss

I vote we replace the top pic with this picture instead:

 

[rjinaz]

To say that PC gamers expect more is not the same as saying that they'll never be happy even in several generations.

I assume you mean that due to the difference in hardware they will always want to make the most of their systems despite the fact that consoles have the largest install base and therefore dictate where the bar is set in regards to development of games.

I think it's unreasonable to think that the current graphics can only be attributed to resources being diverted to places that increase game play mechanics.

While that is possible it's not necessarily true because you can never know how things could have been handled if the project only began development once the next Gen had started, and I would have personally preferred that to happen even if it obviously meant the game being pushed back for the sake of a better final product.

I want Fallout 4 to be the best possible version of the game that it can be and it's frustrating to see people shrug off the graphical fidelity as if it has absolutely no bearing on the gaming experience when that's simply hyperbole and not true.

Some people may over/understate the importance but it's not fair to dismiss people as being wrong for being unhappy with low fidelity graphics.

And it's especially uncool to talk down on people for simply expecting more, I understand shitting on the game and not expressing why you dislike it, but I don't understand people making hyperbolic statements that tell devs it's OK that they don't prioritize graphics since people will rationalize it for them anyway.

I'm not talking down. I disagree with people thinking the game is somehow ruined is all, that's my opinion to have, but people can post what they want.

I agree with you to a point, I want this game to be all it can be too. Heck probably won't get Fallout 5 for another 7 years so each one needs to count. I just think the graphics are adequate enough for the world Bethesda creates for Fallout. We can just disagree, that's fine.

 

[KodaRuss]

Anyone else hope they announce a Fallout 3/NV collection for current gen? I would definitely play them both again.

I think I am most excited to get my first VATS headshot in Fallout 4

 

[KatamariOnTheRocks]

I'm not talking down. I disagree with people thinking the game is somehow ruined is all, that's my opinion to have, but people can post what they want.

I agree with you to a point, I want this game to be all it can be too. Heck probably won't get Fallout 5 for another 7 years so each one needs to count. I just think the graphics are adequate enough for the world Bethesda creates for Fallout. We can just disagree, that's fine.

That's totally cool, I'm sorry for being so intense, my frustration isn't at you specifically but with the way that people in the thread have constantly dismissed and mocked anyone that was expecting more from a game that is only released every few years.

It's OK to want/expect more and my frustration is at the way people disregard graphics as if you have to be spoiled to expect a game to look good.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

I'm just seeing the thread title addendum and I want to clarify...is this bannable thing the "ask about me" lady or the thing about the jet on the shelf?

 

[rjinaz]

That's totally cool, I'm sorry for being so intense, my frustration isn't at you specifically but with the way that people in the thread have constantly dismissed and mocked anyone that was expecting more from a game that is only released every few years.

It's OK to want/expect more and my frustration is at the way people disregard graphics as if you have to be spoiled to expect a game to look good.

Ah yeah I see your perspective. I don't think spoiled is the word I would use, more, accustomed. Nothing wrong with that. In the same way I am accustomed to bluray and some member of my family still use DVDs. Blasphemy in my mind.

Hopefully you're still excited about the game though even if the graphics are disappointing. I think that is what a lot of people are choosing to do, accepting the graphics as being what they are and focusing on the other things they'll enjoy.

 

[rjinaz]

Anyone else hope they announce a Fallout 3/NV collection for current gen? I would definitely play them both again.

I think I am most excited to get my first VATS headshot in Fallout 4

I'll buy it for sure. I don't expect it honestly but it would be a nice surprise and I think it would sell well.

I'm just seeing the thread title addendum and I want to clarify...is this bannable thing the "ask about me" lady or the thing about the jet on the shelf?

The fired Bethesda lady rumor. What's the jet on the shelf thing?

 

[Beelzebufo]

I'm just seeing the thread title addendum and I want to clarify...is this bannable thing the "ask about me" lady or the thing about the jet on the shelf?

I believe it's the former.

And yeah I'd buy Fallout Collection HD over Skyrim HD in a heartbeat, especially if it contained all the DLC. Just think of these games with perfect draw distance and frame rate.

 

[Redd]

As long as I get my Vats, game is way bigger than Skyrim and there's no low level cap I'm a happy camper. I believe in you Bethesda.

 

[MattyG]

I'm just seeing the thread title addendum and I want to clarify...is this bannable thing the "ask about me" lady or the thing about the jet on the shelf?

The woman who was claiming to be a former Bethesda employee with the roadmap to the next couple of years and all that shit (don't know if that's the "ask about me" lady or not). People wouldn't stop posting it and it was getting absurd.

What is the jet on the shelf thing?

 

[PandaPedinte]

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tragedy_Has_Befallen_All_Mankind

In the FNV storyline, Mr. House's defense systems defeated only 68 of the 77 incoming nuclear warheads. The note states that he destroyed all of the nuclear warheads, not only 68. This could just be poetic license on his part, however.

Going by the Vault page on the Great War he wasn't able to destroy the remaining 11 warheads

The Courier: "What preparations did you make to save Las Vegas?"

Robert House: "On the day of the Great War, 77 atomic warheads targeted Las Vegas and its surrounding areas. My networked mainframes were able to predict and force-transmit disarm code subsets to 59 warheads, neutralizing them before impact. Laser cannons mounted on the roof of the Lucky 38 destroyed another 9 warheads. The rest got through, though none hit the city itself. A sub-optimal performance, admittedly. If only the Platinum Chip had arrived a day sooner..."

 

[KatamariOnTheRocks]

Ah yeah I see your perspective. I don't think spoiled is the word I would use, more, accustomed. Nothing wrong with that. In the same way I am accustomed to bluray and some member of my family still use DVDs. Blasphemy in my mind.

Hopefully you're still excited about the game though even if the graphics are disappointing. I think that is what a lot of people are choosing to do, accepting the graphics as being what they are and focusing on the other things they'll enjoy.

I'm still very excited about the game

I apologize again for being irrational towards you, I think the tone of my previous posts in the thread sum up my feelings better when I'm not having a kneejerk reaction

I can't wait to play Fallout 4 as Bethesda games are some of my favorite and they're responsible for one of my favorite personal "holy shit next Gen has arrived" moments when I played Oblivion on launch day, having been a big fan of Morrowind.

My criticisms are only because I don't believe any company should get a free pass from legitimate critique or else bad habits become the norm if they are accepted enough on the consumer end of things.

 

[KodaRuss]

I believe it's the former.

And yeah I'd buy Fallout Collection HD over Skyrim HD in a heartbeat, especially if it contained all the DLC. Just think of these games with perfect draw distance and frame rate.

That would be glorious. If they do not announce that at E3 I will probably buy the New Vegas Ultimate Edition for PS3. Not sure if my laptop could run it well.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

I'll buy it for sure. I don't expect it honestly but it would be a nice surprise and I think it would sell well.



The fired Bethesda lady rumor. What's the jet on the shelf thing?

Ok cool. I ask because Ive been debating both irl.

In the pic with the power armor hanging theres jet on the shelf on the right of the pic, which wasnt invented until 2241 so people have been ruling out a setting before then.

Not saying much imo but you know how fanatics are

 

[rjinaz]

I'm still very excited about the game

I apologize again for being irrational towards you, I think the tone of my previous posts in the thread sum up my feelings better when I'm not having a kneejerk reaction

I can't wait to play Fallout 4 as Bethesda games are some of my favorite and they're responsible for one of my favorite personal "holy shit next Gen has arrived" moments when I played Oblivion on launch day, having been a big fan of Morrowind.

My criticisms are only because I don't believe any company should get a free pass from legitimate critique or else bad habits become the norm if they are accepted enough on the consumer end of things.

No worries. I agree with you. Bethesda no doubt makes my favorite games but they most certainly are not a perfect company and I do think there are some deserving criticisms about their games. I think some people take it too far saying the gameplay is complete crap, but I guess I just enjoy the games more than they do. To each their own and all that.

 

[rjinaz]

Ok cool. I ask because Ive been debating both irl.

In the pic with the power armor hanging theres jet on the shelf on the right of the pic, which wasnt invented until 2241 so people have been ruling out a setting before then.

Not saying much imo but you know how fanatics are

Ahh interesting. I think most people assume this game takes place some time after FO3. I prefer if this was more a sequel in the timeline personally

 

[KatamariOnTheRocks]

No worries. I agree with you. Bethesda no doubt makes my favorite games but they most certainly are not a perfect company and I do think their are deserving criticisms about their games. I think some people take it too far saying the gameplay is complete crap, but I guess I just enjoy the games more than they do. To each their own and all that.

I find the game play in Bethesda titles to be very unique in regards to the level of interactivity they allow with items.

As silly as it seems I love the ability to take/move around most of the items in their games.

You get some really silly/funny situations when you mess with NPCS in that regard, I remember having so much fun taking stuff in oblivion by picking up the item, and then walking into a shadowy corner of the room before taking it so the shopkeeper wouldn't notice.

I think their game play being so different from other titles can be seen as polarizing in the way mainline Mario titles can be, as most people really love one entry and dislike another.

That difference in game play from other open world games can pull in some people and turn away others, but I deff think anyone unsure of a Bethesda game should give it a try as they'll more than likely have a great time.

 

[Welfare]

Ahh interesting. I think most people assume this game takes place some time after FO3. I prefer if this was more a sequel in the timeline personally

It should take place after NV (which is after 3). No point in going back in the timeline.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

Ahh interesting. I think most people assume this game takes place some time after FO3. I prefer if this was more a sequel in the timeline personally

Well theyve done well going chronologically so far. I dont see why theyd change it, especially since lineage seems to come into play so often

 

[rjinaz]

I find the game play in Bethesda titles to be very unique in regards to the level of interactivity they allow with items.

As silly as it seems I love the ability to take/move around most of the items in their games.

You get some really silly/funny situations when you mess with NPCS in that regard, I remember having so much fun taking stuff in oblivion by picking up the item, and then walking into a shadowy corner of the room before taking it so the shopkeeper wouldn't notice.

I think their game play being so different from other titles can be seen as polarizing in the way mainline Mario titles can be, as most people really love one entry and dislike another.

That difference in game play from other open world games can pull in some people and turn away others, but I deff think anyone unsure of a Bethesda game should give it a try as they'll more than likely have a great time.

When I played the last two Fallout games I had no idea you could even move items until long after my first playthrough. It wasn't something I needed I guess. I used to just use stealth boys to steal items from rooms. But man it's so much simpler to just carry an item to a corner and steal it lol. Even if it' a bit silly and immersion killing.

 

[NightShift]

Regarding the state of the city, does any one else feel like the buildings have been re-built? They all look like they have been patched up or is that just what Boston looks like?

 

[orient]

Apparently some people are already disappointed that F4 isn't pushing the series forward, based on a trailer that shows zero game-play footage? Blows my mind. Sure, we can judge the graphics (Surprise! A Bethesda game doesn't look cutting edge but excels in different ways), but being negative on the game itself based on this trailer is a joke to me.

 

[rjinaz]

Regarding the state of the city, does any one else feel like the buildings have been re-built? They all look like they have been patched up or is that just what Boston looks like?

It's certainly possible. The androids seem to be more or less slaves for the commonwealth so maybe they do repair work and what have you.

Apparently some people are already disappointed that F4 isn't pushing the series forward, based on a trailer that shows zero game-play footage? Blows my mind. Sure, we can judge the graphics (Surprise! A Bethesda game doesn't look cutting edge but excels in different ways), but being negative on the game itself based on this trailer is a joke to me.

Well honestly, I personally didn't think the trailer was all that great. This coming from somebody that has been "dying" for this game for years. It just didn't click for me the way I wanted for whatever reason. The first impression is important, especially since it's all we got right now like it or not. I would have loved to see more location, exploring, things like that. But this obviously was meant to be just a taste. I can't wait for E3.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

It should take place after NV (which is after 3). No point in going back in the timeline.

We are getting closer and closer to 2377, the date when ambient radiation levels should return to pre-war levels.

 

[MattyG]

We are getting closer and closer to 2377, the date when ambient radiation levels should return to pre-war levels.

Well that depends on how far past Fallout 3 4 is set. If it's only a few years or even a decade, we still have 90+ years until that point. I know what you mean though.

 

[Wolvesinthebathroom]

Well that depends on how far past Fallout 3 4 is set. If it's only a few years or even a decade, we still have 90+ years until that point. I know what you mean though.

Fallout 3 is set in 2277, 36 years after fallout 2 and 200 years after the bombs drop.

 

[NightShift]

We are getting closer and closer to 2377, the date when ambient radiation levels should return to pre-war levels.

That doesn't sound good. A Fallout without fallout speaks for itself.

 

[MattyG]

Fallout 3 is set in 2277, 36 years after fallout 2 and 200 years after the bombs drop.

Yes, I know what year 3 is set in. The poster I'm responding to said that the radiation would be largely dispersed and back to normal by 2377, which is 100 years after 3. So even if 4 is set a decade after 3, there's still 90 years until the radiation gets back to pre-war levels.

Basically we're 2/3rds of the way there, but there's still plenty of time to set games in that last 1/3rd.

 

[Wolvesinthebathroom]

Yes, I know what year 3 is set in. The poster I'm responding to said that the radiation would be largely dispersed and back to normal by 2377, which is 100 years after 3. So even if 4 is set a decade after 3, there's still 90 years until the radiation gets back to pre-war levels.

Basically we're 2/3rds of the way there, but there's still plenty of time to set games in that last 1/3rd.

Oh okay true, I guess I miss read you'll post.