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Final Fantasy XV needs to sell 10 million units to succeed in team's goal
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vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
He got 3 million Xbone's copies sold, it's already a no no lol
Type-O sold like shit on Xbone, FFXIII & XIII-2 sold like shit on 360.
Ain't happening.
But I think you already knew that lol
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Well no wonder the UCE is exclusive to the SE store. I imagine they want all the 270$ to themselves.
Considering it's been in development, off and on, for at least 10 years, the number isn't surprising.
That's also possible, yeah. I think the demo impressions could be a pretty bad omen of things to come. I'd actually say their biggest problem is that the game does look to be better than FFXIII at a fundamental level, but it isn't in practice so far. That combat is in almost dire straights.
Final Fantasy VII also did 4 million copies in Japan, which is a big part of how it got to where it is, whereas it's incredibly difficult to imagine a situation where this doesn't do 1 to 1.5 million tops in the region instead.
And that's before we even consider all the really cheap digital copies of FF7 sold over the years that are padding that 11 million. You've got 1 million of those on Steam alone, and I wouldn't be surprised if you've got a million or so more on things like PS3 and PS4.
I'm not gonna lie the "wait for double dip" is a bet that pays off, if your game is good.
It worked on me for Dark Souls I & II, and almost worked for GTA V (never had time to play it on PS3 / 360. You can bet that if there is a sizeable enough wait for a PC version, people like me will get it on console in the meantime, then again later on Steam.
Dirty trick, but if the game is good enough, it works.
(Of course, if the game sucks, then I won't buy it on either and they will have wasted tons of money porting it)
Prophet Steve
Member
Many people seem to think these are their actual expectations but I doubt that. And that number probably was not expected from the start.
This is just what they need to cover the costs.
This is just what they need to cover the costs.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Seems a bit overly optimistic. But who knows? If the game actually turns out to be decent...
The Last One
Member
Hope it happens if the game ends up being good.
That's impossible
let's lowball to average profit per copy sold of $20. That's already $200million and they've repeated enough times that the budget is not aproaching that figure.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Even if they lose some money, I think its worth it to raise the reputation of Final Fantasy and get people excited about the franchise again. Despite the success of ARR, people still think about XIII when FF comes up.
At this point I'd rather buy the game to watch the more interesting product.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I know, Japan usually represents a third of mainline Final Fantasy lifetime sales - it won't happen in this current environment, but the overseas segment has grown exponentially since so it may be able to recoup those lost sales there.
Pokémon had the same problem with X & Y - sold 1 million less in Japan than Black and White but is almost neck to neck sales wise quarter to quarter ww. Maybe the comparison is not apt though since Pokémon titles have legs comparatively to other JRPG's.
I believe FFXV could reach 10 million ww, but not without a PC version. 6-7 million (shipped) is where I see FFXV falling by March 2017 (Japan would stand between 1.2-1.5M)
A decade of investment needs a lot of sales to even break even.
I just don't know. The console market is healthy enough here, but Japan isn't as strong as it used to be, while Final Fantasy as a brand was hurt badly over the last console generation, and there is still a lot of skepticism about the final product.
If the game is universally praised, and becomes THE game to generation PS4 (or *snicker* Xbox One) adoption in Japan, I can see it happening.
But they're putting a lot of eggs in one basket here...
I just don't know. The console market is healthy enough here, but Japan isn't as strong as it used to be, while Final Fantasy as a brand was hurt badly over the last console generation, and there is still a lot of skepticism about the final product.
If the game is universally praised, and becomes THE game to generation PS4 (or *snicker* Xbox One) adoption in Japan, I can see it happening.
But they're putting a lot of eggs in one basket here...
I do love you optimism but this is the same company that rebooted Tomb Raider in a way that got the series back in the spotlight with great reception and sales but even then the game was deemed as not performing well AND even after getting more sales after that they made the game an Xbox One exclusive because...
I know 10 million must not be the end all for them but I can see them reconsidering their approach about how to make this games in the future
and secretly I hope so =P
I always thought that the brand REALLY lost it after XIII released T_T (and I love XIII) but for some reason I think that a game in the vein and tone of FF XII would be more successful for them in the current market (I will always say that FFXII was way ahead of it's time)
1) I LOVE LOVE LOVE the aesthetic of the game from the way Noctis looks, the feel of the world and creatures, etc... but I also see what is really moving coins in the market and this game is like is trying to be like them but so far still seems to not really grasp what make other games as The Witcher, TES and Bioware games so popular in recent years.
JoeyJungle
Banned
It's definitely possible. It's important to note that they're giving lifetime sales expectations, which is factoring in 25-50% off sales that will happen over the months/years after the game's been released. I can totally see them coming close to that number. They're giving it such a huge push what with getting Aaron Paul, Lena Heady, and Sean Bean to star in the CGI movie, and the apparent resurgence in "mainstream" popularity of anime thanks to Netflix/Crunchyroll/Hulu (I'm just making a guess due to the prominent placement anime gets on those sites, and the popularity of anime conventions, not completely sure if a "resurgence" is true). This game is anime as fuck, but the FF franchise also crosses over into the mainstream the way few other anime-as-fuck franchises are able to (I think pretty much just DBZ and Sailor Moon do it to the same degree).
I can totally see the potential for the game to sell 10-12 million over a few years. With the huge crossmedia marketing push, the thirst for a good post-FF12 console FF game, it being pretty much the first mainline giant JRPG franchise on next gen aside from Zestiria (which is much more niche than FF), I think it has a decent chance of hitting their goal. Especially if its reviews settle somewhere between Xenoblade and Xenoblade Chronicles X.
Agree that PC has a ceiling of about 1-1.2 million based on sales of FF13/other JRPGs on Steam. Xbone I think will sell closer to 1.5 million, so they'll need to get close to 8 million on PS4. I'm expecting lots of bundling, probably some sort of patch/promotion bundle with the PS4K (maybe retrofit the advanced graphics options from the PC version to the PS4K version?), etc. Again, over a few years, I can totally see it being possible, but the game will need to have a really great debut and really long legs.
I can totally see the potential for the game to sell 10-12 million over a few years. With the huge crossmedia marketing push, the thirst for a good post-FF12 console FF game, it being pretty much the first mainline giant JRPG franchise on next gen aside from Zestiria (which is much more niche than FF), I think it has a decent chance of hitting their goal. Especially if its reviews settle somewhere between Xenoblade and Xenoblade Chronicles X.
Agree that PC has a ceiling of about 1-1.2 million based on sales of FF13/other JRPGs on Steam. Xbone I think will sell closer to 1.5 million, so they'll need to get close to 8 million on PS4. I'm expecting lots of bundling, probably some sort of patch/promotion bundle with the PS4K (maybe retrofit the advanced graphics options from the PC version to the PS4K version?), etc. Again, over a few years, I can totally see it being possible, but the game will need to have a really great debut and really long legs.
Right, for the correct game, we can get over 20 million copies for open world action RPGs with basically 100% of the sales coming from the West.
It's just that this doesn't strike me as one of those games for a myriad of reasons.
Astral Dog
Member
Fuck this, fuuuuuu
Obliterator
Member
I think 5 million for the PS4 version really isn't that crazy. That said I expect Xbone to do 1 million AT MOST. The split for that is going to be insane.
I think saying as high as 7 million if the game is quality isn't crazy as I do think its going to do very well on PS4. But yeah 10 seems like a long shot
Edit - Woops that was supposed to say PS4 not PC lol
Astral Dog
Member
That is to promote the game though.
Remembrance
Member
Last year I ended up taking about FF with the guy next to me on a plane. He and all his friends were basically lapsed fans with no interest in anything in the series except the 7 remake, which managed to reignite their hype.
SE would need to somehow get all those people to buy into 15.
SE would need to somehow get all those people to buy into 15.
Leafhopper
Banned
3 million XB1 seems high as it is, forget everything else you said.
WickedLaharl
Member
maybe don't hold extravagant marketing ceremonies for release dates
create movie/anime tie-ins
and oh idk keep a game in development for so damn long
Probably would help so that you don't need such lofty sales goals.
create movie/anime tie-ins
and oh idk keep a game in development for so damn long
Probably would help so that you don't need such lofty sales goals.
Mr.Fletcher
Member
Hasn't The Witcher 3 sold almost 10 million?
generic_username
I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
If they make a critically acclaimed game and advertise it well it is still possible. I mean when Witcher 3 managed to sell so well then surely a well made Final Fantasy game can sell 10 million put together in multiple platforms.
I wonder if Square is gonna go batshit with the commercials and advertising of this game in North America come late August/early September to try and get word of this game to the mass market. I would think they are but idk?
I just think back on how many commercials games like Destiny, GTA V, and others got up to and slightly after their release but then again they probably had gigantic marketing budgets as well.
I just think back on how many commercials games like Destiny, GTA V, and others got up to and slightly after their release but then again they probably had gigantic marketing budgets as well.
Perfect. The goal will be difficult
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Im willing to guess the game itself isnt all that expensive, but since they added a mini anime series and a full CGi trailer to the marketing budget, they ended up with this. if I had to guess they expecting all 3 of these things to sell to recoup costs and not just the game itself.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Don't port beg man come on son
I remember the XIII commercial with the Leona Lewis song being on all the time, I'm guessing we'll see even more for this
GhostTrick
Banned
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
lol
I doubt they sell 2 million.
I doubt they sell 2 million.