YianGaruga
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The one they uploaded exclusively to pornhub was pretty explicit
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Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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The one they uploaded exclusively to pornhub was pretty explicit
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Ill buy a full price Pale Doll petting game yo
Pretty much. People bringing up this argument are either huge hypocrites who are basically saying instead "I care what people thinking about MEEEEEE", or just don't know what they're talking about. There's no big "public perception" of fire emblem. And like someone pointed out above, at least the waifu stuff helped push sales if anything. The removal of this won't change a iota about the perception of the game.
It's a dumb decision to remove a bit of content to appease the uncomfortable tantrum of a group who basically goes out of their way to categorize anything vaguely intimate as SOFTCORE PORN. Good job. I won't die on the FE petting hill but honestly the sheer amount of people happy that they get to cut some fairly harmless content for everyone else because it helps to reinforce them is just astounding, and incredibly arrogant and petty. Like this minigame was the slippery slope that's gonna lead to "reinforce sexism"
captainpat
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Every trailer they've shown has been 90% battling and dramatic cutscenes.
If anything it's one of the few types of fanservice we get to see that was intended for both men and women.
So the manservice is probably at fault. Can't have that in our vidjagames now.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Let me tell you, when I had to review it, I played Dungeon Travelers 2 (banned in NeoGAF) on the train, visible to anyone who was interested. I couldn't care less what "people are thinking about me" because of a game I play. I do care if one of my favourite series gets filled with questionable fanservice that adds nothing to the gameplay but could do a good job of making people think it's disgusting. Not because they would think the same about me by proxy, but because it could lead to lesser sales and Fire Emblem again coming into a position where it will not always get translated.
"But guys this poorly made fanservice was for both sexual orientations"
I guess it's too bad that this is the best intelligent systems could come up with. Poor Nintendo.
Dark times. I actually feel for the Japanese fans since the localized version looks like the definitive edition so far. Iirc this was the case with Bravely Default too.
Yeah, removal of something not even the Japanese fans really liked either is Orwellian rather than a response to criticism and an attempt to actually sell games.
IIRC, some in this thread or another brought up that Japanese players found a lot of issues with Fate's content too. If they have the definitive version, they found the mini-game to be incredibly boring and wasted effort.
captainpat
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The franchise is selling way more copies than it's ever sold before.
flatearthpandas
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You're agreeing with him.
I know!
flatearthpandas
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Your use of "definitive" made me unsure since he used it to refer to the localized version.
Palculator
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Yeah, I'm sure she would've been strongly opposed to such a disgusting thing.
I saw the same thing. Seems like they're removing content that nobody wanted there in the first place.
Im sure she would've strongly cared for its exclusion too.
captainpat
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And lemme guess their proof was a couple of comments on some Japanese board. right?
She probably was thinking only of what she likes, I'm sure she thought that censoring anything she dislikes is fine.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I don't want to claim she would have endorsed banning it, but this claim does not seem targeted towards excluding cheesy fanservice from a game on your own.
Has this thread even got into social issues and the very wide differences between Japanese culture and a large part of western culture because these play major parts in localization across every medium. Anything about how Japan has gotten more insular with its trends that it's actually harming their global viability for success outside of Japan? Have we also talked about how Fire Emblem doesn't want to be a niche game and they want it sell better, be more popular and how much of the content just does not gel in the west or able to keep a teen rating with some of its content to maintain viability to reach more people?
Have we also talked about that as the translations came around about Fates, it created a huge buzz the world over across social media and how old and new fans felt that Fates was going a tad too far with its content and felt uncomfortable in even buying the game?
All things to consider in localization.
Edit: there's more. There's a whole world view you have to consider when localizing games because it can be important to understand the cultures of each and what can and cannot work or adapted. Niche products have less visibility sure, and still scrutinized for their content, but for a series like Fire Emblem where, while still have some form support and character dialogues in minimal fashion, they have extended it to something more. awakening was fine in its extension, but many seem have issues with Fates going to far with this sort of content as though it feels a little unnatural for the series. While it does seem like an extension of Awakening's stuff it goes well beyond it in general opinion.
Have we also talked about that as the translations came around about Fates, it created a huge buzz the world over across social media and how old and new fans felt that Fates was going a tad too far with its content and felt uncomfortable in even buying the game?
All things to consider in localization.
Edit: there's more. There's a whole world view you have to consider when localizing games because it can be important to understand the cultures of each and what can and cannot work or adapted. Niche products have less visibility sure, and still scrutinized for their content, but for a series like Fire Emblem where, while still have some form support and character dialogues in minimal fashion, they have extended it to something more. awakening was fine in its extension, but many seem have issues with Fates going to far with this sort of content as though it feels a little unnatural for the series. While it does seem like an extension of Awakening's stuff it goes well beyond it in general opinion.
Snkfanatic
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Man this is one long thread for content that nobody wanted then.
It seems fairly similar to fanservice that is purely aimed at women to me. Why do you think it's not?
I can understand not wanting that in Fire Emblem though. I don't really care either way. I wouldn't care for it if they left it in but don't find it extremely creepy either.
Yes these are my concerns. I don't see the point of defending shit that serves little purpose but to invite comparisons between Fire Emblem and Compile Heart games.
Sure. Since a lot of it is justifiably celebratory.
Funny thing is, none of the Compaheart games I've played even have this mechanic? Neptunia, Fairy Fencer, Omega Quintet. Nada.
I was thinking of Mugen Souls.
Pretty much. It's so absolutely benign, and most of my friends who play FE (all girls) are all amused by it. But no, we must think of them, the poor creatures who are obviously shook to the core.
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So we are now straight up comparing a straight-up erotic dungeon crawler (something that IS considered that also in japan) with incredibly sexual poses that were partially censored coming here just to get a "mature rating" to something as benign as head petting. Seems fair.
I don't think the removal of this will affect FE in any way, just piss off some of the fans of the series who've been following it for a while. Personally for something as small as this, I find it a waste to remove it just to seem more PC to an audience of the very few who would rather see stuff removed because of so called public perception, either for the game or themselves.
After that, I'm not gonna howl more about the removal of this as it is minimal influence but i'm just curious and slightly worried about the rhetoric and shortcuts, and downright celebration used to justify cutting what i consider harmless content for the license and the public
Snkfanatic
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Yeah I am sure your enjoyment of a game would have been hurt because someone compared it to a one of those dreaded Neptunia games.
Oh the humanity.
flatearthpandas
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My issue is that these arguments are largely based off of speculation and hearsay. The vast majority of the people in this conversation are not bilingual, have not played the game or the content in question and so aren't really participating in what I would call criticism so much as reacting quasi-ignorantly. That isn't to say that content is great or foreign audiences will be missing out, but I wouldn't characterize most of these reactions as criticism and I am not really on board with rejecting things I'm not really familiar with. Even trying to gauge reactions as fuel seems unconvincing because the vast majority of people in this conversation are not bilingual and have not actually engaged the audience, assuming real engagement results apart from sales were available. Most on both sides are reacting to things they haven't experienced. I'd prefer to react to something tangible as far as something as ultimately unimportant as videogame minigames go.
Snkfanatic
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They saw a few people whining about it on a message board so it's fact.
Like, I don't want to make it sound as though I'm against removing the skinship minigame. It's really trivial and meaningless, like I said. What I'm annoyed and discomfited by is the sheer puritanical glee with which people are celebrating its removal.
While Compile Heart games certainly have fanservice, they're mostly known for being low-budget and poorly-designed.
It's not exactly a fair comparison? NIS games have fanservice too, for instance; C-H is just latched onto here because it's become an easy shorthand for "anime porn".
While Compile Heart games certainly have fanservice, they're mostly known for being low-budget and poorly-designed.
It's not exactly a fair comparison? NIS games have fanservice too, for instance; C-H is just latched onto here because it's become an easy shorthand for "anime porn".
I don't think comparisons between this and more blatantly sexually charged games are particularly valid, mind you, but they are obvious to a lot of people and damaging of the wider perception of the series because trying to explain the minutae generally just gets folks looking at you like "How the fuck do you know so much about this? Creeeeep." And whether that's fair or not, it's the reality of the situation and something I don't want to see fed if the upside in regards to the game's content is minimal. I would like for anime games (or JRPGs in general) to claw their way back out of the ghetto that has been erected around them thanks to a generation dominated by NISA-published titles and I think Fire Emblem is one of the few series capable of achieving that.
Yeah it was an easy quick shorthand for a wider trend that I felt convenient to use to make my point as I'm on my way out the door to work.
Capcom cut the Mercenary mode, not "Germany". There is no German law that says this content needs to be cut.
people in glorious nippon don't like anime like i do? now i know you're just lying
Vincent Grayson
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It's really not hard to look up videos of this minigame and conclude "I'm glad this is not in the game anymore" based on that. You'll find many of us have done just that.
Dream_Journey
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Now i will always wish there will be no third party exclusive J-RPG game for Nintendo consoles. I want to play Japanese game because japanese approach not like this...
Yeah, that isn't happening anytime soon if ever, mobage is extremely successful, and even recent new stuff like Star Ocean 5 moves along the same lines.
Well it's not like the series was doing all that well before. Awakening is the reason anyone's getting any Fire Emblem anywhere.
Stealth 4Kids thread?
Have you ever actually gotten this reaction from a real person?
Star Ocean has been like that since, like, the very first game. It was just easier to ignore for some people.
In short: Yes
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Read again. I'm not saying it's the same, FEF is certainly more tame than Dungeon Travelers 2, I was just saying that I do not care what others think about me because I'm playing a game, but I care about potentially damaging content for a series I love.
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