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Fire Emblem Warriors DLC fully revealed
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TCTF Agent
Neo Member
I'm still getting the game for a Warriors title to see how it goes but the DLC is certainly not enticing. As so many others have said the willingness to go for clone characters is right there. To be fair even Fates has variety they could have tapped into with Ninjas - Kaze would have fit pretty darned well as a character and would be unique. Not to mention Hector... we'll see how the DLC cast look and play but it's not a day 1 for sure.
SolicitorPirate
Member
From what I've seen, it seems that this game had a tighter budget than Hyrule Warriors. If resources were limited, it makes sense you'd triage it and make characters from the games people actually bought rather than the ones the two dozen or so hard core fans played
SuperBudgie1582
Neo Member
Have some of you ever played a warriors game!?
Seriously, unique NPC's with generic movesets get a totally new moveset when they become playable. Its been like that since Samurai Warriors 1 back in 2004.
Seriously, unique NPC's with generic movesets get a totally new moveset when they become playable. Its been like that since Samurai Warriors 1 back in 2004.
twothunder
Member
suprised they just revealed it like that.
knew the dlc would focus on the 3 games so. i had little hope for something good.
still. despite the focus. they could of chosen some more unique characters of those games
Tharja and azura dlc was easy to predict.
the fact tthe npc are paid dlc is disappointing
only Linde and Minerva are somewhat nice choices... but they might just be clones too...
needless to say. an easy skip
knew the dlc would focus on the 3 games so. i had little hope for something good.
still. despite the focus. they could of chosen some more unique characters of those games
Tharja and azura dlc was easy to predict.
the fact tthe npc are paid dlc is disappointing
only Linde and Minerva are somewhat nice choices... but they might just be clones too...
needless to say. an easy skip
The game is already filled with clones. What makes you think they'd bother to change that for the DLC?
This game will probably have trouble outselling the lowest selling game in the series in Japan.
SolicitorPirate
Member
For what is, I suspect the majority of the fanbase now, Fire Emblem pre-Awakening might as well not have existed
SuperBudgie1582
Neo Member
Like I said, because thats what Omega Force has done for over a decade.
Yeah, it definitely won't bite them in the ass.
NeonZ
Member
They aren't "generic" movesets though, aside from maybe Oboro, they're movesets from other main cast members, and in Owain's case he even has an unique stance already, just reusing the standard attacks. Those four npcs also already had voice clips for them being used as the player character (and even two supports in Niles' case) in the game data (the 3 unique villains that aren't included in that DLC pack lack that).
In the sense that most people only jumped on board with Awakening? Yeah. But this isn't Persona. Awakening itself had strong ties to previous games and Heroes often pushes them to the forefront. Then you've got Ike's popularity, even if a lot of it likely comes from Smash. Ignoring the previous titles in this case is a mistake even if the series used to sell less back then because IS itself doesn't ignore the previous titles.
TheListOfToddicho
Member
Me and my friend Cho are hoping that one of the History Mode maps for the Shadow Dragon DLC includes Michalis!
Star Orpheus
Member
Hey it could be worse. You could be a Persona 2 fan.
You could also be both.
SuperBudgie1582
Neo Member
That doesnt mean they'll remain clones when they become playable. I dont think, in the history of Warriors games, Omega Force has ever made an NPC playable and had them keep the same moveset.
Wait, Ike's not in this already? I was going to wait for a "Complete" Edition so I haven't been keeping up.
No Ike, No Buy....-ke.
Cheeky posts here.
I wasn't ready for salt in that wound again...
WrenchNinja
Member
It's a good thing Mario is coming out in a week
Lord of Ostia
Member
Nope, that's an overexaggeration. People know Ike and Roy from Smash, Lyn as well since she's an assist trophy and is very popular in general. The franchise sold modest, but not awful numbers over here on the GBA, both those games are popular with the fanbase in the west. Tellius games and Shadow Dragon underperformed, but Ike is popular as hell and Shadow Dragon is in this game. Decisions weren't made based on popularity, clearly
Nope. With the exception of Lyn and Celica (Who were clearly last minute additions as Lyn has Navarre's moveset and Celica has Marth's moveset) all of the characters in the game come from Shadow Dragon, Awakening, and Fates.
NeonZ
Member
Like I said above, unlike other npcs, those 4 already have some data in the game indicating that they are intended to be playable, so I doubt we'll see playable versions that are completely different. They even mistakenly left two of Niles' localized supports in the game data.
Also, although it's not quite the same (since in base DW7 he only had a generic model), when Pang De was added as a playable character in 7XL he returned with Zhang Liao's Twin Axes, rather than an unique moveset.
Nocturnowl
Member
If there's one thing that the limited focus is kind of cool for here, it's getting those smaller fan favourites in who wouldn't cut the mustard in a more series wide roster.
On the other hand Effie and Arthur weren't part of the Fates DLC pack which is just criminal. No Virion for Awakening either, boo
Hopefully an unlikely sequel will be able to pull some similar deep cuts from the Tellius saga, I need my playable Shinon.
Oh don't get me wrong, the movesets are very well done and they are good additions.
But at the time mystery DLC could've been the big hitters that would turn up later like Skull Kid, King of Hyrule and so on which is where my disappointment stemmed from.
Legends DLC meanwhile was dope for me, Marin and Yuga!
On the other hand Effie and Arthur weren't part of the Fates DLC pack which is just criminal. No Virion for Awakening either, boo
Hopefully an unlikely sequel will be able to pull some similar deep cuts from the Tellius saga, I need my playable Shinon.
Oh don't get me wrong, the movesets are very well done and they are good additions.
But at the time mystery DLC could've been the big hitters that would turn up later like Skull Kid, King of Hyrule and so on which is where my disappointment stemmed from.
Legends DLC meanwhile was dope for me, Marin and Yuga!
You say that as if half the cast aren't clones of each other.
If the sequel has playable Shinon, Haar and Volke all will be forgiven.
Those three were my Radiance MVPs. I just wish Volke showed up in Part 3 of RD instead of 4.
Playing devil's advocate here, but FE3, Marth's SNES game, is the best selling game in Japan. If you're gonna add Marth and co, it makes sense to label them as from their latest localized installment. Specially considering it is still playable thanks to 3DS BC.
With that said, really glad to see Linde and Minerva. Was hoping for Jeorge as well, but that'll do. Olivia was a nice surprise IMO, the other NPCs->DLC characters are nice too but it's definitely scummy to charge for them as DLC if they were already in.
I learned of the whole archetype/clone thing a bit earlier and that's my biggest dissappointment in the game.
Blackquill
Member
What really ? If Celica doesn't use magic what's even the point
She uses it in her super move.
Terrible in comparison to Hyrule Warriors.
theprodigy
Member
Most popular characters=/=characters from the most popular games.
Her special attacks do incorporate magic into them, but her normal move set is identical to Marth.
What do you mean?
Blackquill
Member
Ok, still a huge bummer though, Lyn and Celica were the characters I was the most interested into along with Lissa and Marth so yeah really no buy this time. That's sad, heard it was better than the average musou.
SuperBudgie1582
Neo Member
In Koei's defense(not really), the mace moveset that he got in Next was separate DLC for Dynasty Warriors 7. Also, all 5 new characters in Dynasty Warriors 8XL had new movesets.
Yeah, but for them to give Lyn the Myrmidon moveset and Celica a moveset that doesn't incorporate her magic outside of the supers is really odd. Celica especially. It would be like making Robin a Marth clone.
Star Orpheus
Member
Oboro is really popular in Japan. She came in third in the female popularity poll only beaten by Camilla and Corrin.
That's slightly disingenuous. FE1/3 remain the most identifiable and popular games in the series in Japan. Mystery of the Emblem is the highest selling game in the series, with Fates, Genealogy, and Awakening following close behind. (Based on japanese sales numbers)
While not having Genealogy characters is a crime, it's pretty obvious they didn't include that game since it was never released in the west. So that leaves Mystery, Fates, and Awakening as the top three games in the series, all of which are the main games represented here. This is fundamentally why they chose the games they did.
Lyn and Celica are a pleasant surprise, most likely late additions. That said, I feel that this game was in production before the character poll was released and they were going off of game popularity more than character popularity.
EDIT: With more research, it looks like those numbers are outdated and Fates eventually outsold Mystery. Doesn't change my point one bit though, just interesting that Fates is the highest selling game in Japan.
No.
They're not exactly pretending the pre-3DS games don't exist. Shadow Dragon is technically a focus game (though with a laughable number of characters in the base game) + Lyn. Celica too if you want to count her as pre-3DS. That's 5 games, 6 if you throw in New Mystery with Marth's crew. Yeah it's a bummer that Ike isn't in, but considering the amount of clones it's probably better for him to wait for a later date.
Now the lack of armors or lance cavaliers, that's criminal. Camus would've doubled up on SD/Gaiden representation, and one of the more iconic classes should not be absent like this.
Now the lack of armors or lance cavaliers, that's criminal. Camus would've doubled up on SD/Gaiden representation, and one of the more iconic classes should not be absent like this.
... I like Olivia and normally despise fan service.
Her relationship with her kid is super sweet.
I likely won't get the season pass but I may get the Awakening pack for her.
Lord of Ostia
Member
Sorry, just to be clear I was only referencing western popularity, as the poster I was responding to was clearly only talking about western popularity as well. I know that FE1 and FE3 are popular in Japan, and I do think that Shadow Dragon's inclusion makes sense, both for that reason and for series tradition.
FEW has many more characters compared to HW. IIRC, HW had originally 10 unique characters + a couple of moveset variations.
FEW may have a handful of clones, but even then I think it has over 10 unique movesets: Samurai (Ryoma/Navarre?), Blade Lord (Lyn, Owain), Archer (Takumi, Sakura, Niles), Mage (Robin, Linde/Tharja(?)), Mage Knight (Leo, Elise), Pegasus (Hinoka, Caeda, Cordelia), Wyvern (Camilla, Minerva(?)), Fencer (Marth, Celica), Cavalier (Xander, Frederick?), the Twins, Chrom, Lucina, Lissa, Oboro/Azura, Tiki. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems about 15 or more movesets. And even then they all have unique specials.
While I can understand the dissappointment with FEW (I'm pretty dissappointed myself), FEW simply has more stuff than HW (wether or not we like that stuff it is a different tune).
Hyrule Warriors had 20 unique movesets at launch. That's more than FE:W. I certainly would have taken fewer characters (Did we really need so many Fates royals?) if it meant having as many movesets as HW.