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[StickSoldier]

Even if Nintendo is cheap they should make sure that this thing can use more than one of the streaming controllers. If not they'll miss out on a chance to sell lots of expensive accessories.

It also gets rid of a lot of the point. I want awesome multiplayer games like Four Swords. >=^[

Seriously. If we can only use one tablet, I'll be sad.

 

[ksamedi]

Well, the fact (?) that you can only use one Wii U controller certainly solves the controller price issue that some of us thought this would have.

But it creates a lot of problems as well. How are you going to play stuff like Tekken then?

 

[Zombie James]

What's funny about that?

The way he described it he made it sound like you could take it anywhere in your house and keep playing.

 

[Trurl]

Would streaming to four controllers be that much more taxing that splitscreen mulitplayer?

 

[likeGdid]

The limit of 1 WiiU Controller per system looks to me like Nintendo's putting less emphasis on local multiplayer. Well, at the very least the type of multiplayer games that would require everyone to have a WiiU controller (as opposed to WiiU Controller + Wiimotes + etc type games)

The only way this would make sense would be if they're stepping up their online system. Online, there's the expectation everyone would have their own WiiU controller.

Very disappointing, but I wonder if it was expecting too much for a console to be able to stream to 4 different controllers at once.

Unless... everyone brings their own WiiU console and they all connect wirelessly! An impractical solution to have 4 WiiU controllers.

 

[JGS]

is this confirmed? this is what i have been worrying about, it would sucks and pointless

It would contradict what EA said for sure. I'm confused because I didn't see this one controller limitation anywhere.

 

[Cels]

Are all new Wii U games going to be natively 1080P?

 

[AceBandage]

But it creates a lot of problems as well. How are you going to play stuff like Tekken then?

Classic Controller.

 

[Zombie James]

At least an improvement over component cables?

Yeah, HDMI is digital.

 

[gregor7777]

At least an improvement over component cables?

In that the TV scales it? no. The TV will do that for every input.

 

[ksamedi]

Classic Controller.

Wiimote + classic controller = still expensive and pretty pointless.

 

[pr0cs]

I don't believe it only supports 1 tablet controller per console. That would be the most stupid thing Nintendo could do with this.

They would have to build some pretty amazing new protocol for streaming in order to do more than 1 controller. They may open up some of the streaming for maybe 2 devices but the experience would probably be seriously toned down.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Are all new Wii U games going to be natively 1080P?

I can't imagine they will.

 

[Dante]

Keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Same room use suprises me. While I understand those saying its meant for one-room social use, there WILL be people buying this assuming it has more range than that and that they can take it to their bedroom to play a bit. Also surprised at the lack of multitouch

One tablet controller per system HAS to be a mistake though.

 

[SpecX]

I'm super confused about what this thing is. Is it a new console or just an extension to the Wii? Will it have games created just for it making it its own console or what? If Nintendo doesn't quickly clear up this confusion then the casual consumer won't know what the hell they are buying, what they will need, and this could end of a failed attempt for Nintendo.

 

[antonz]

Are all new Wii U games going to be natively 1080P?

I imagine Nintendo will likely be aiming for 1080P every game while 3rd parties will do what they can make look the sexiest. At this point 720p 60 FPS would be pretty awesome considering we dont even get that in COD etc this gen of consoles.

 

[AceBandage]

Wiimote + classic controller = still expensive and pretty pointless.

Wiimote+CC=$60 That's pretty inline with other controllers.

 

[Basileus777]

Same room use suprises me. While I understand those saying its meant for one-room social use, there WILL be people buying this assuming it has more range than that and that they can take it to their bedroom to play a bit. Also surprised at the lack of multitouch

One tablet controller per system HAS to be a mistake though.

Maybe it's a limitation of where the console is at now, and not what's planned for release.

 

[Tron 2.0]

I'm super confused about what this thing is. Is it a new console or just an extension to the Wii? Will it have games created just for it making it its own console or what? If Nintendo doesn't quickly clear up this confusion then the casual consumer won't know what the hell they are buying, what they will need, and this could end of a failed attempt for Nintendo.

It's a new console.

But I agree 100% that they have so far done a terrible job of differentiating it.

 

[brochiller]

I'm super confused about what this thing is. Is it a new console or just an extension to the Wii? Will it have games created just for it making it its own console or what? If Nintendo doesn't quickly clear up this confusion then the casual consumer won't know what the hell they are buying, what they will need, and this could end of a failed attempt for Nintendo.

I'm sorry but there must be a stupid virus going around on gaf today.

I'm getting tired of explaining to people that THIS is a NEW CONSOLE and that the system is actually decently powerful.

My fucking god people.

.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Sucks about not being able to upscale Wii games. But since the system uses HDMI, with my TV at least, I can force 16x9 on games that don't fill my screen. Screen zoom won't work with composite for some reason.

 

[Vagabundo]

Wow. If GAFers are having problems understanding how this thing work I dispair for the general populous.

 

[JGS]

A link regarding one controller (no way it's true in any event) would be nice. I'm going to ignore that gripe otherwise.

The same room thing is not surprising. It's not a portable. It's seems similar to the Wiimote.

Wow. If GAFers are having problems understanding how this thing work I dispair for the general populous.

Fortunately the general public can see it for what it is - a more powerful console which includes a controller with a screen on it.

 

[Trurl]

It would contradict what EA said for sure. I'm confused because I didn't see this one controller limitation anywhere.

Do you have a link to what EA said?

This seems to suggest you can only use one "new controller" at a time:
http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/#/gallery/playstyle

 

[_bla_]

Looking at Power7 specs and die photos, I believe this will be a dual core power7. Regular Power7 is a 8 core 567 mm^2 die. About 2.5 times bigger than Cell at launch. Even a 4 core Power7 would still be bigger than 90nm. They could likely remove or exchange some execution units, make caches smaller, but even with these modification this would still be an expensive chip. So dual core seems most likely. Should still be between 100 and 150 mm^2. And a Power7 dual core should still be a lot faster than Xenon.

 

[Lance Bone Path]

The limit of 1 WiiU Controller per system looks to me like Nintendo's putting less emphasis on local multiplayer. Well, at the very least the type of multiplayer games that would require everyone to have a WiiU controller (as opposed to WiiU Controller + Wiimotes + etc type games)

The only way this would make sense would be if they're stepping up their online system. Online, there's the expectation everyone would have their own WiiU controller.

Very disappointing, but I wonder if it was expecting too much for a console to be able to stream to 4 different controllers at once.

Unless... everyone brings their own WiiU console and they all connect wirelessly! An impractical solution to have 4 WiiU controllers.

I think this actually makes sense except I'm almost sure that they would rather have link cables so that you can daisy-chain your consoles together.

You probably don't need to have any of the guest consoles hooked up to a television although there's no reason your guests couldn't also bring their own TVs.

 

[Cels]

I imagine Nintendo will likely be aiming for 1080P while 3rd parties will do what they can make look the sexiest. At this point 720p 60 FPS would be pretty awesome considering we dont even get that in COD etc this gen of consoles

I mean we will soon be 5 years out from PS3 and 6 years out from 360. There are plenty of graphically impressive games on both of those consoles that run at 720p w/good framerate and good level of details (Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Dead Space 2 etc)

 

[iceatcs]

Ouch on own proprietary format. I hope it won't get bad luck like GC or DC.

 

[TekkenMaster]

wait, so you can only use the controller in the same room as the console?

I don't think that's true...if it's wireless communication it should have a range equal to any other wireless router, right?

 

[Tron 2.0]

Ouch on own proprietary format. I hope it won't get bad luck like GC or DC.

The Wii discs are a proprietary format.

 

[ksamedi]

Wiimote+CC=$60 That's pretty inline with other controllers.

You're still limiting options here. The classic controller doesn't support motion control so many games that use both motions and dual analogs will be limited to a single player experience.

 

[Pathetic Basement Virgin]

I'm super confused about what this thing is. Is it a new console or just an extension to the Wii? Will it have games created just for it making it its own console or what? If Nintendo doesn't quickly clear up this confusion then the casual consumer won't know what the hell they are buying, what they will need, and this could end of a failed attempt for Nintendo.

I hate casual readers.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I'll be seriously surprised if Nintendo doesn't release a native WiiU "classic" controller - probably rebranded - that has wireless built in and doesn't use a Wiimote as dongle.

They have to account for the scenario of WiiU owners who don't have Wii games and have zero need of a Wii Remote.

 

[Brinbe]

Limiting it one controller would be asinine.

 

[Ushojax]

wait, so you can only use the controller in the same room as the console?

Maybe, but Nintendo always plays it safe with these sorts of estimates. They said the Wavebird only had a range of a few metres but you could walk down the street and it would still work. We'll just have to see.

 

[Trurl]

I don't see a whole lot of a point to the new controller online. Sure, having a touch screen would be nice, but hardly revolutionary. This could have been revolutionary for local multiplayer.

I'm sure there will be some fun local multiplayer options with just one new controller, but for a "deep" experience more are needed.

 

[Batongen]

Well, here's my extrapolated view of it. Forget about the rumours when the controller and the system was "announced" a few months ago, because this is, if you would believe it or not, really the Wii HD. We should instead look back at what was said about the system and rumours from long ago, like how John Davidson and, to a lesser extent, Michael Pachter called it a looong time ago. Let me give you a quote from mr Davidson anno 2008:

Davison admits details are sketchy but says his sources are pointing towards "a greater emphasis on digitally distributed and backwardly compatible content". Nintendo will once again focus on innovating the console's controller.

http://playsquad.commongate.com/post/Wii_HD_Set_for_2011/

So what's the controller, is it unique? Well in my mind they are at least showing us what was rumoured, a Wii HD. The controller is there to somewhat extend the life of the system and make sure that developers can use the Wii controller in future HD games.

The play of words, Wii (We) and U (You) is obviously trying to setup their strategy that the tablet controller is mostly used for single player and for the wii controller and it's extensions to live on when playing multi. Sure, I am not saying it is NOT disappointing that it looks like only one player will be supported with the new controller and probably miss out on some multi gameplay functionality, but will we cry if we play an FPS with a classical controller? Probably not.

So in reality, Nintendo is really giving us what we wanted all along, Nintendo games in HD.
Is it in latest, state of the art HD? Nope not really, but the fact that they might be able to evolutionize their Wii platform with a new control scheme, at the right price, might be enough for now. At least until Sony and Microsoft release their new console. Until then, anything in the marketplace can happen.

 

[Zoramon089]

I don't see a whole lot of a point to the new controller online. Sure, having a touch screen would be nice, but hardly revolutionary. This could have been revolutionary for local multiplayer.

I'm sure there will be some fun local multiplayer options with just one new controller, but for a "deep" experience more are needed.

I'm assuming you're ignoring the fact that the controller features all the buttons of a normal controller, the system is stronger than teh PS3/360 and that EA is helping them with online, right?

 

[Vinci]

Jesus Fucking Christ. People would rather post inane drivel on GAF rather than actually reading about the console?

Didn't you hear? PS4 and 720 will come out, so who gives a shit?

EDIT: Folks, seriously, if you have not watched the conference or read a summary of it, please go do so now. Because it's clear when someone hasn't even researched the slightest thing about what they showed and spoke about.

 

[Hellsing321]

It's kind of funny that Ken Levine talked about being able to play a game in bed without disturbing his wife, turns out he won't be able to do that unless he has the system in his bedroom

Spoiler

or sleeps in his living room.

Obviously the system would be in his bedroom. It wouldn't be disturbing his wife if it was in another room.

 

[dock]

This does seem to be the limit for controllers.

Spoiler

(I tried to point this out, but my thread was closed :/ )

Losing out on gamecube controller support is a bit disappointing, but there weren't many games that made use of the eight player local option. No bongos!

 

[Guevara]

It's going to be really easy to bring this to a friend's house! No harder than bringing a DSXL really, though I have no idea how to connect it to a TV? Guess you just bring the cord (and a power cable?). Hope you don't trip over the cables LOL.

 

[brochiller]

Ouch on own proprietary format. I hope it won't get bad luck like GC or DC.

It has nothing to do with bad luck. The only reason the GC suffered was because it's format was too small, only 1.5GB compared to the full size 4.7GB DVD's of its competitors. If this console really has enough storage space, then the fact that it's proprietary won't matter.

 

[civilstrife]

It's going to be really easy to bring this to a friend's house! No harder than bringing a DSXL really, though I have no idea how to connect it to a TV? Guess you just bring the cord (and a power cable?). Hope you don't trip over the cables LOL.

What are you smoking?

 

[brochiller]

It's going to be really easy to bring this to a friend's house! No harder than bringing a DSXL really, though I have no idea how to connect it to a TV? Guess you just bring the cord (and a power cable?). Hope you don't trip over the cables LOL.

You can't be serious...

 

[likeGdid]

I think this actually makes sense except I'm almost sure that they would rather have link cables so that you can daisy-chain your consoles together.

You probably don't need to have any of the guest consoles hooked up to a television although there's no reason your guests couldn't also bring their own TVs.

This is something I've always wanted to see to have >4 player local multiplayer.

If I remember correctly, when they were demonstrating Mario Strikers Wii they actually had 2 Wiis connected for multiplayer. Only instance of multi-console connectivity I've seen.

 

[Man]

Is single Video streaming controller confirmed true?

 

[iceatcs]

The Wii discs are a proprietary format.

I thought it was DVD format.

It has nothing to do with bad luck. The only reason the GC suffered was because it's format was too small, only 1.5GB compared to the full size 4.7GB DVD's of its competitors. If this console really has enough storage space, then the fact that it's proprietary won't matter.

Nothing to do the tech bad luck. Just superstition.

 

[AceBandage]

I thought it was DVD format.

Based on DVD tech. But they are proprietary Nintendo discs.