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[Lance Bone Path]

Did you just call me a scumbag? :lol

Only a scumbag could dislike expensive, fancy controllers and also dislike systems that only support only one of those fancy controllers at a time. I mean, who could possibly prefer buying a console and 3 additional fancy controllers rather than buy 4 consoles?

Yes, by that criteria I suppose I might be part of the scumbag collective .

 

[Tron 2.0]

I think Nintendo is big on building their console unveils around themes. Wii was built around "we" so they emphasized the social aspect. Wii U is built around individuals so they emphasized different ways "you" can play. I suspect when they're ready to announce price and such they'll announce the price of additional controllers.

That's an interesting take.

Because of course I would like to be able to use at least two tablet controllers at the same time. It seems the system really only fulfills its full potential if that's the case.

I mean, realistically what happens if the controller breaks? They HAVE to sell them stand alone and they might as well implement multiplayer use for it or what's the point?

I think it's simply that the technology isn't there.

 

[Chittagong]

Backside needs more dents and holes, somehow looks too plain to me.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Do we know the resolution of the controller screen? It's has to be sub-HD right?

Yes, sub-HD. I don't think we know the exact resolution.

 

[MickeyKnox]

Why are people finding it so hard to believe that it will only support one tablet controller per system? Bandwidth for a portable screen to maintain acceptable lag levels is not limitless.

 

[Trurl]

Has there been any mention of them starting production on the tablet as well as console? It could be that they are still looking at the possibilities of using multiple tablets.

That's a good point. If it is a question about saving a bit of money console side, I hope the don't make the dumb decision.

As long as the cost isn't prohibitive, this is a case where my desire for more stuff and Nintendo's desire for profit should go hand in hand.

 

[Dre3001]

Didnt Nintendo try to do this Wii U controller concept back with the Gamecube??

 

[antonz]

Yes, sub-HD. I don't think we know the exact resolution.

01net early on said it was gonna be in the 800x500 range.

 

[Starchasing]

What is a sensor strip?

 

[Shahadan]

And you forget that every single multiplayer example they gave us was focused on the advantage of having only ONE player with the tablet.

 

[Gaborn]

I think it's simply that the technology isn't there.

I think that's a pretty big assumption.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Has there been any mention of them starting production on the tablet as well as console? It could be that they are still looking at the possibilities of using multiple tablets.

I don't understand the connection. Could you explain it to me?

I'm not being snarky. I really don't understand.

 

[Trurl]

Only a scumbag could dislike expensive, fancy controllers and also dislike systems that only support only one of those fancy controllers at a time. I mean, who could possibly prefer buying a console and 3 additional fancy controllers rather than buying 4 consoles?

Yes, by that criteria I suppose I might be part of the scumbag collective .

Ah.

I love the concept of the controller in the context of local multiplayer. Wanting to use several of these controllers and wanting them to not cost over $100 is not contradictory.

 

[PantherLotus]

Small news; Engadget hands on pics confirm HEADPHONE JACK ON THE TABLET

BOOM STREAMING HANDHELD MOVIES BOOO-YAH!!

 

[Acheteedo]

One WiiU controller per system at once? Inferior version of any third party game with same screen co-op confirmed.

 

[witness]

$299 day 1

 

[Tron 2.0]

I think that's a pretty big assumption.

Maybe. I don't know a lot about streaming high quality video with little lag.

But what I do know makes me think it would take a lot of bandwidth and horsepower.

 

[dock]

Didnt Nintendo try to do this Wii U controller concept back with the Gamecube??

Nintendo like to revisit old technology ideas if they figure out a good solution.
3DS is a good example of this.

 

[Vinci]

Yeah, I'm waiting on confirmation from Nintendo that it's only one controller per console. That would be insane. I mean, the controller itself is already a bit insane, but not offering local multiplayer on it outside of Wii Remotes?

No. I won't believe that. The potential with even two of these things is too great to pass up on.

 

[Gaborn]

From Iwata Asks:

Miyamoto: Also, many games from Nintendo are a multiplayer experience, where you play in big groups. With the Nintendo 3DS and DS systems, you play by not needing to show your screen to anyone else. And with Wii games everyone plays while watching the same screen. With Wii U, you are able to combine both, the ability to display information that no one else can see, and the screen that everyone watches while playing, to come up with new ways to play. In this year's E3, we're demonstrating how that works on the show floor.


Iwata: So, in a way, the people who are playing are standing on different fields. Not everyone has the same perspective, and the situation becomes more interesting because of that one single player who is looking at the game from a different point of view.

That's from section 3, "Good Ideas"

 

[Guevara]

01net early on said it was gonna be in the 800x500 range.

Is there any reason whatsoever that this makes sense? Is it throttled because of bandwidth issues? Is that a standard resolution for anything?

 

[Tron 2.0]

From Iwata Asks:

That's from section 3, "Good Ideas"

I honestly don't see how that contradicts the one tablet theory.

"...one single player who is looking at the game from a different point of view."

 

[Starchasing]

Yeah, I'm waiting on confirmation from Nintendo that it's only one controller per console. That would be insane. I mean, the controller itself is already a bit insane, but not offering local multiplayer on it outside of Wii Remotes?

No. I won't believe that. The potential with even two of these things is too great to pass up on.

I think that if it can stream a full screen without any lag and if you want to use 4 controllers, it could stream a 1/4 of the screen to each console, more than enough for a static inventory and such.. like our current item in mario kart wii u

 

[Shahadan]

Yeah, I'm waiting on confirmation from Nintendo that it's only one controller per console. That would be insane. I mean, the controller itself is already a bit insane, but not offering local multiplayer on it outside of Wii Remotes?

No. I won't believe that. The potential with even two of these things is too great to pass up on.

What would be insane is a console streaming games on multiples screens.

And actually I think having only one player with the screen would be far more intersting. It reminds me of those games where one player is assigned a secret task or a target.

 

[Zombie James]

Small news; Engadget hands on pics confirm HEADPHONE JACK ON THE TABLET

That was mentioned in the conference.

 

[Vinci]

What would be insane is a console streaming games on multiples screens.

And actually I think having only one player with the screen would be far more intersting. It reminds me of those games where one player is assigned a secret task or a target.

and playing with multiple new controllers also offers a ton of possibilities

From their hands-on. Could be a guess though.

 

[H_Prestige]

No GC backward compatibility for real? Now that is dumb. If Sony can support their last, last gen console, so can you.

 

[Tron 2.0]

I think that if it can stream a full screen without any lag and if you want to use 4 controllers, it could stream a 1/4 of the screen to each console, more than enough for a static inventory and such.. like our current item in mario kart wii u

This might be possible. Streaming something less taxing like inventory or a menu to multiple tablet controllers.

 

[David H Wong]

I honestly don't see how that contradicts the one tablet theory.

"...one single player who is looking at the game from a different point of view."

Right, it confirms it.

 

[Codeblue]

No GC backward compatibility for real? Now that is dumb. If Sony can support their last, last gen console, so can you.

At least Nintendo is supporting their last gen stuff. I'd rather have Wii than GCN, and I'd rather have PS2 than PS1.

 

[Curufinwe]

Is there any reason whatsoever that this makes sense? Is it throttled because of bandwidth issues? Is that a standard resolution for anything?

It's a 6 inch screen... what kind of resolution would you expect that small of a screen to have?

 

[User Name Here]

I don't understand the connection. Could you explain it to me?

I'm not being snarky. I really don't understand.

I was trying to say that some aspects of the controller and/or console may still be under design consideration; assuming they haven't started production already.

 

[Gaborn]

Miyamoto: So when I think about it within the concept of bringing the Wii to a place that's further ahead, I think it's fine the way it is now aside from how we wanted to add an independent screen like with this new controller. The other thing was we wanted to make the switch to HD. But I had no hesitation in going that direction. Right now I'm planning that people can still be able to use their Wii Remote controllers that they already have, which means this time you now have five controllers to play with.

Iwata: You mean this new controller, and four Wii Remote Plus controllers for a total of five.

Miyamoto: Right. Five controllers. And we have people play in many combinations.

I'm not sure what "combinations" can mean other than, for example, 2 new controllers, 3 Wiimotes, 3 new controllers, 2 wii motes, etc.

 

[Starchasing]

At least Nintendo is supporting their last gen stuff. I'd rather have Wii than GCN, and I'd rather have PS2 than PS1.

but if it plays wii games it can play GC games.... maybe they will offer them in the virtual console ...

 

[Codeblue]

but if it plays wii games it can play GC games.... maybe they will offer them in the virtual console ...

Right, I agree that it should, I'm just saying that Nintendo shouldn't strive for Sony's idea of BC.

 

[Shahadan]

I'm not sure what "combinations" can mean other than, for example, 2 new controllers, 3 Wiimotes, 3 new controllers, 2 wii motes, etc.

there is the classic controller ?

 

[ciccione]

Please, confirm or not: is it official only one tablet per wi u? If true the multy local is dead. Major disappointment

 

[Totobeni]

$299 day 1

Power 7 with that screen/tablet controller..

$399 if we are lucky.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

If the tablet controller's screen is really 800*500 (which makes sense for a screen of that size) then the screen would have a resolution that's less than half as many pixels as 720P. In that case, I could see the WiiU streaming information to at least two controllers and then just displaying scores or a map or something on the actual TV.

That's assuming that bandwidth isn't a problem which I don't think that it would be.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Please, confirm or not: is it official only one tablet per wi u? If true the multy local is dead. Major disappointment

Not official.

Pure speculation at this point.

 

[Gaborn]

Please, confirm or not: is it official only one tablet per wi u? If true the multy local is dead. Major disappointment

Not officially confirmed, no.

 

[H_Prestige]

At least Nintendo is supporting their last gen stuff. I'd rather have Wii than GCN, and I'd rather have PS2 than PS1.

Let's not make excuses. They can and should support both. Especially when the two systems are 99% identical under the hood.

 

[Fou-Lu]

Power 7 with that screen/tablet controller..

$399 if we are lucky.

I'd pay $799 for this easy. Of course I'll be splitting the cost with my roommates so I'm cheating.

 

[chubigans]

There is no way the Wii U can stream to four separate devices at the same time without some major, major sacrifices to the graphics/engine/etc.

I'd say it's a very safe bet that it's one tablet per console.

 

[Instro]

I'm not sure what "combinations" can mean other than, for example, 2 new controllers, 3 Wiimotes, 3 new controllers, 2 wii motes, etc.

WiiU, Wiimote, Wiimote+nunchuck, CC, CCPro I believe.

 

[ipukespiders]

The HDMI cord will be coming out of here.

Oh shit, sorry everyone

 

[Starchasing]

there is the classic controller ?

classic controller hooks up to a wiimote



does anyone know what the sensor strip does?

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I haven't got this officially yet, but iDensity is Blu-ray in all but name. Nintendo didn't want to pay extra licence fees on top of the already hefty patent licensing costs for blue-laser tech so they went and got a variant of Blu-ray that can be made in a regular BD-ROM press and uses the same blue-violet laser diode. This has the added bonus of keeping disc pressing costs down, the ability to source drives from a host of Taiwanese manufacturers, and general maturity of Blu-ray as a high density format makes it relatively cheap ($30 for a read only drive with silencing).

My source put it into context, he said it was like GD-ROM to CD-ROM, so this will not insulate Nintendo from disc based piracy if their console gets hacked for it. If any decent homebrew turns up, it should play Blu-ray movies as well.

 

[Bert]

Did you just call me a scumbag? :lol

lol, just a bad meme I thought appropriate:

 

[antonz]

I haven't got this officially yet, but iDensity is Blu-ray in all but name. Nintendo didn't want to pay extra licence fees on top of the already hefty patent licensing costs for blue-laser tech so they went and got a variant of Blu-ray that can be made in a regular BD-ROM press and uses the same blue-violet laser diode. This has the added bonus of keeping disc pressing costs down, the ability to source drives from a host of Taiwanese manufacturers, and general maturity of Blu-ray as a high density format makes it relatively cheap ($30 for a read only drive with silencing).

My source put it into context, he said it was like GD-ROM to CD-ROM, so this will not insulate Nintendo from disc based piracy if their console gets hacked for it. If any decent homebrew turns up, it should play Blu-ray movies as well.

Yep it was too obvious the way Reggie worded things on tv. It was a thinly veiled jab at the 360 when he said there wont be any space issues with the format for their games