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Florida gov. declares state of emergency before Richard Spencer speech
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Kill Your Masters
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Why do others have to suffer for one insane man's freeze peach?
Blaming antifa in 3...2...
VendettaRed07
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GoldenEye 007
Member
From what I remember, they did originally ban it. They were then sued. Now they're allowing it. Because they probably know they would lose in court.
BlueLiquid
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I assume he's able to speak there for the same reason he was allowed to talk at Auburn a few months ago. Someone paid (edit: source) to reserve the venue and the school cannot refuse based on political beliefs. Auburn tried to cancel it but a Federal judge blocked it.
They can say no, and have a fight in court. But they're fucking cowards.
Then how come a bunch of other universities have cancelled speeches? The first amendment doesn't say a given university has to give a particular speaker a platform, does it?
*edit* I see BlueLiquid's post because the venue is paid for. If federal judges start taking the side of nazis, times are going to get real dark. The judicial branch has been one of the few things holding the country together in the last 10 months.
First Amendment goes both ways.
Depends on if its a state-funded institution or not. If it is, they have to observe the first amendment as they arent a private institution.
The law needs to be blind as possible until hate speech becomes punishable. Otherwise things get really messy when you have conservative judges making calls.
SoundofSilence
Member
A state of emergency?
How about just some common sense instead?
How about just some common sense instead?
GoldenEye 007
Member
They did say no. They are in the process of being sued. It's possible their general counsel/outside legal saw what was going to happen, though. If there isn't a direct disruption to the class environment in a college setting, public colleges have very little ability to restrict speech. And yeah, given our great system, clear hate speech is protected too.
An error of our ways. Or a feature. I don't know.
Edit: Yeah, didn't see that a federal judge in the Auburn situation provided some now recent precedent on this. UF would lose and lose badly. Then have to dole out money to them more than likely in the process - in addition to hosting them.
Pandora012
Member
I'm not sure, but maybe because this is for a public university, instead of a private one?
Yeah, someone pointed it out earlier. I didn't realize there were rules that public universities are required to allow anyone to be hosted and say anything at their venues as long as they've been paid for.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah, the public ones that have tried to ban him and his group have been sued. And it looks like in one case, Auburn University lost in federal court over the matter. Private schools can do whatever they want. Public ones are bound by our increasingly shitty constitution.
Those universities may have been private or may have just decided to assume the risk of litigation.
Generally speaking, a public university cannot engage in viewpoint discriminate with respect to a forum it provides. So it wouldnt be a test of whether the university is required to provide such a platform or forum, but whether the University is engaging in such discrimination by deciding certain speakers or topics cannot use the forum it provides.
On whom is the question. I can't imagine local Gainesville cops are going to want to beat up too many students considering it's going to blow back in their faces. If cops are imported from out of town, who knows.
Hopefully black folks will be smart enough to not participate in any protest, leaving the baby dicked pigs with blue balls.
In my experience both going to the University of Florida and living in Gainesville, I wouldn't be too confident of that.
Zoso
It's been a long time, been a long time, been a long lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely time.
So University of Florida has to allow this event and is responsible for the $500,000 security bill? That's fucked up.
http://statements.ufl.edu/statements/2017/10/personal-message-from-president-fuchs.html
on the wrong people probably
BlueLiquid
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BoogieWoogie
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It's no question at all.
Look at the past Nazi rallies and see how the cops treated them with kid gloves.
Vire
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500 thousand dollars that could have been spent on education investment instead. Truly sad.
GoldenEye 007
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Our laws are shit-tier. This country is shit-tier. On the whole.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Or.......
We could classify White Supremacists, Nazi's and the KKK as terrorist organizations (that they are) and treat them the same fucking way we would treat ISIS if someone invited them to speak at a college.
But that's crazy talk. White supremacy will always defend its own no matter what.
We could classify White Supremacists, Nazi's and the KKK as terrorist organizations (that they are) and treat them the same fucking way we would treat ISIS if someone invited them to speak at a college.
But that's crazy talk. White supremacy will always defend its own no matter what.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
There was a time when Universities would do everything in their power to not host people standing up for gay or minority civil rights. I'd even argue that that's still the case in other venues. The fact that Spencer can invoke free speech rights as well is an unfortunate side effect of a very necessary amendment.
Federal judges are always going to take the side of Nazis when the question is whether they enjoy the same first amendment rights as everybody else. Skokie settled this back in the 1970s.
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God it's all so stupid. I'm so proud of governments that give that shit a swift and handy beatdown
I mean yeah white dudes upholding the power of a document written for white dudes back when they were kings and everyone else was property
Both of you seem to be assuming that the judicial branch will treat both sides fairly, legally, and equally, though.
I'm suggesting they could conceivably start favoring nazis in the future, particularly if Trump fills enough judicial spots, and white supremacy continues to flourish.At one time I'd think this would be extremely unlikely, but now I think it's a small possibility.
Mammoth Jones
Member
FTFY. You're welcome.
The first amendment isn't just for white dudes.
Empty Space
Member
I'm sure someone is going to come in here and tell me how wrong I am, but the cops in Gainesville are generally good people. Gainesville as a whole is an incredibly liberal place even when not taking into consideration the students there. The city removed it's one Confederate statue like one or two days after the Charlottesville event. Even if the police wanted to be thugs there would be consequences here for their actions.
I thought this event got cancelled? What changed did they just end up delaying it?
What they say and what they do are universes of apart
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Of course they won't. That's why the law is necessary. Trump would declare every Trump protest as hate speech if he could.Both of you seem to be assuming that the judicial branch will treat both sides fairly, legally, and equally, though.
At one time I'd think this would be extremely unlikely, but now I think it's a small possibility.
Under that assumption, Spencer and his ilk don't need the legal system to do whatever they want. It's everyone else that needs the protections.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Why are they declaring a state of emergency? Is it to shut down protests?
Isn't that violating first amendment?
Isn't that violating first amendment?
GoldenEye 007
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Empty Space
Member
If you read the OP it's so the state can help pay some of the security cost UF is going to incur.
CopperPuppy
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Sounds like Florida to me.
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