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Gamasutra: The Top 30 Developers of All Time
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My opinion isn't "right". It's just my feeling. These folks can grovel and boast about Naughty Dog as much as they want. I'm just the party pooper.
sublimit
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For me and you sure but have you seen the sales of games like Uncharted,TLOU and Tomb Raider?
Not baiting. Right.
if wasn't for MAME we would have so many arcade classics that would be lost to time forever. but, man, let's argue over the rightful place of a company that makes that interactive version of romancing the stone.
i'll defend him by saying it might not be a bait for you, but as soon as he'll post "my game is _____" the "defense force" will hop on the opportunity to cherry-pick how bad X part in that game was bad or how TLoU was better than that game without mentionning why
risky business
How is it an insult when three threads in a row were locked directly because of it, and this thread started off almost immediately on that note?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=601626
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603466
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603801
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66413736&postcount=8
Psycho_Mantis
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ND and R* are honorable mentions but Mojang is there. Get that fucking shit outta here. Worst opinion ever. If we asked everyone their top 30 devs I am sure 99% of them will include ND or R*.
So do you think fans of developers don't exist?
But this is not a public poll.
amstradcpc
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And you are in the three threads bashing Naughty Dog?. Objectivity eh?.
Why the hell are people even debating whether or not Rare should be on the list, of course they fucking should they were an A list developer back in the 90's even though people love to shit on their games nowadays. Saying the studio behind Donkey Kong Country, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, and Conker's Bad Fur Day doesn't deserve to be on the list is absolute bullshit considering their talent and output from a wide variety of genres. (platformers, shooters, racers, beat em ups)
oh snap, you're completely right about that one
Bingo. I'm not beholden to answer anyone. This isn't, like, debate team where I must respond. It's video game argument forum. Considering I was likened to the fucking GOP of all things, I'd be happy if nib95 or anyone else just put me on their ignore list.
Whenever there's a list that requires me to flip through multiple pages then I immediately think that the only reason for the list's existence is controversy and click baiting. Put a few controversial entries in there and leave a few gamer's favorites out and you have a lot of clicks.
That being said, it's obviously an opinion piece. I find myself having unpopular opinions as well (the Half Life series never did anything for me, I find it incredibly boring) so they're allowed to have their own opinions as well. I would have put From Software on there, though. They've really hit on a great concept with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls proves that it wasn't just a lucky one-time thing. As for the other developers that only have one game: I don't think they belong on that list. I must have missed when Riot's game became bigger than Angry Birds so the "biggest game"-argument seems to be made up.
If I were to make a list then I'd exclude all developers who have only shipped one game.
That being said, it's obviously an opinion piece. I find myself having unpopular opinions as well (the Half Life series never did anything for me, I find it incredibly boring) so they're allowed to have their own opinions as well. I would have put From Software on there, though. They've really hit on a great concept with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls proves that it wasn't just a lucky one-time thing. As for the other developers that only have one game: I don't think they belong on that list. I must have missed when Riot's game became bigger than Angry Birds so the "biggest game"-argument seems to be made up.
If I were to make a list then I'd exclude all developers who have only shipped one game.
ND ,R*, From etc are not there but some c grade dev's are there in the list. I nominate Nihilistic to be in this list. It would complete this mediocrity properly.
nope
Those are honorable mentions? Holy shit, almost all of those would be my top 10, especially Black Isle, Rockstar and Naughty Dog.
You do realise on this forum and in all walks of life people have different opinions right? Asking for someone else's is not baiting lol. It's called being curious or insightful.
Uno Venova
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So if it's not happening in this thread right now, I don't get why it's being brought up to people you assume are fans not doing what those threads were locked for.
I think in the context of 'defense force' fandom, it's an irrational concept. Fans can (and often are) critical, sometimes very critical, I'm sure there are lots of people on GAF who would profess to being KojiPro fans, and hate MGS4. That kind of fan exists of course, but unquestioning fandom isn't good. I didn't say they don't exist, just that it's bizarre.
Broder Salsa
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I really miss bullfrog.
If it were the same team yeah. I loved Goldeneye and Donkey Kong 64 but the studio's current team doesn't look like it could ever make hits like those again and are forever destined to mediocrity with MS and Kinect.
I am not arguing that they shouldn't have made this list based on the criteria that they have made some experiences first (kind of, but goldeneye did bring console FPSs to a high) but if this was a history lesson there would be no doubt in my mind that they fulfilled their role as a top 30 dev.
If it were based on top 30 devs overall based on track records (which matters more to me), Rare wouldn't make it any longer. They'd probably make the top 60.
The salt....Either that or just being generally antagonistic and vitriolic? Marcel. Chill out dude.
I have no illusions of objectivity. I think the ND god game stuff is silly and overstated. My feelings and that's it. Cue up someone saying that I'm overstating.
Marcel is going to have a heart attack.
It's not bizarre to me. Basic defensive behaviour is very human and found in all of us.
Judging from those quotes in Nibels reply, its been less of an opinion and more of feelings.
PandaPedinte
Member
Good list overall.
You're right!
What was I thinking, in a topic where the "best devs" are judged exactly long these lines, or with even less criteria (see Minecraft).
amstradcpc
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Exactly. I was the first to blame ND for the U3 aiming issue. Merit must be given to those who deserve it when they deserve it.
Well, but i can understand nothing is a universal truth, and so many people will not give merit to some games/developers as will others, after all opinions are opinions, but what is outrageous is to start a witch-hunting,for whatever causes that i can´t understand, against a game/developer and now against some users ( 14 years old, ND defence force, Sony defence force, and so on...).
It's a much bigger discussion than is apt for this thread, but it's a personal thing I've never really understood, even the concept of sports team fans I find impenetrable. It's just a collection of people who train at a certain area and wear certain clothes, and the people is a constantly shifting group. It's strangely similar to the idea of game studio fans really. The art director of BioShock Infinite, Nate Welles, is the art director of TLoU. If someone was an Irrational superfan, and a ND hater, what are they meant to do now? Support 'the team'? I just don't understand the basis of fandom in that sense at all.
Boss Man
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Yeah but Naughty Dog (and Bethesda) are mentions; they aren't quite on the list.
amstradcpc
Member
Closed by the ND stoning force you mean...
Well it's not a rational thing at all, so there's nothing to "understand" in it from a personal point of view. Maybe a sociologist or a phychologist GAF member could answer it more in depth.
In a way yes, but just look at the list. It's stacked with good choices. The most controversial ones being Mojang, Platinum Games and ThatGameCompany. All of which I can see being in that list for various redeeming factors. Mojang is the Jesus of all indie developers. Platinum Games are a relic from times when gameplay was king and gameplay systems were deep and challenging. They are fighting a tide of cinematic games almost alone with small budgets and barely breaking even. Journey was a magnificent experience, but I can agree that R* or even ND could be better selections. It all comes down to personal preferences and how you value budgets/risks/innovation/business/number of titles/critical response and so on.
Well yeah modern Rare is a shit developer with most of it's greatest developers and artists gone, I was arguing that they should have made the list regardless due to what they achieved as they were possibly the strongest western developer on consoles during their heyday.
amstradcpc
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This.
you're simply stating a fact.
I guess I should have bolded what I was replying to:
No doubt they probably made the largest impact over the past 30 years but its just a top 30 dev list not in order when hes comparing Nintendo to others, as an editor mentioned its unranked. I wasn't commenting on the mentions.
Whoa there. The Last of Us is clearly a better action game than The King of Fighters '98.
SirButterstick
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Lol and what's that? Handholding Linear A to B games with subpar gameplay? Think you're wrong there bub.
Mojang???
the game is one of the most important games ever but they only did one game and most of the original work was made only by Notch with the help of the community.
thatgamecompany?
I thought that a company needs some great titles to be on the list, with them I can't go further than including the amazing Journey.
the game is one of the most important games ever but they only did one game and most of the original work was made only by Notch with the help of the community.
thatgamecompany?
I thought that a company needs some great titles to be on the list, with them I can't go further than including the amazing Journey.
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