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Georgia and Russia at war
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BlueTsunami
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besada said:
Just... wow.
Facism
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The prime minister of Turkey is ethnically Georgian, and i read somewhere they have sent in some commando's.
Here is a clip of them in action. They look pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgx5LgE8rjw
Though on a serious note i can see a Turkey, Russia alliance in the future, they seem to have more in common then they ever did in the past.
Here is a clip of them in action. They look pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgx5LgE8rjw
Though on a serious note i can see a Turkey, Russia alliance in the future, they seem to have more in common then they ever did in the past.
Look at this, it's how things work in the so-called 'free-west'.
http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html#cutid2
Reuters (or someone associated with them) forge it, western media like Fox, BBC, CNN picks it up and runs with it often none-the-wiser, and a picture is painted of Russia, the evil aggressor in the minds of allegedly free-thinking western people. Usually western propaganda is a lot more subtle (this is embarrassing quite frankly), but it should be a timely reminder that we aren't free, we only think we are. He who controls the information frames the debate. And here the debate is being framed as 'Russia killed these poor civilians' when it's a complete and total fabrication in this case.
http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html#cutid2
Reuters (or someone associated with them) forge it, western media like Fox, BBC, CNN picks it up and runs with it often none-the-wiser, and a picture is painted of Russia, the evil aggressor in the minds of allegedly free-thinking western people. Usually western propaganda is a lot more subtle (this is embarrassing quite frankly), but it should be a timely reminder that we aren't free, we only think we are. He who controls the information frames the debate. And here the debate is being framed as 'Russia killed these poor civilians' when it's a complete and total fabrication in this case.
Lost Fragment
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xabre said:
Dude in the black shirt looks different than the dude in the next 2 pics to me.
Reverse propaganda? Not going to work. Those photos are not even stated to be sequential. The guy crying is pretty obviously NOT the guy in the black shirt. There is nothing even remotely suspicious about the pictures. A guy sees his brother/friend is a victim and he runs outside without having time to throw on a shirt. After the body is removed he puts on a shirt and the reality of the situation hits him again as he cries.
Nice try, at stirring the pot, I guess? I mean, not really. It's a pretty poor effort.
Nice try, at stirring the pot, I guess? I mean, not really. It's a pretty poor effort.
what the fuck was thatxabre said:
"The other body is carried by medics, carried as if it was a dead body, but you can notice that the hand of a person is holding a woman medic's sleeve."
-- or the person is seriously injured and being carried
"Now on this picture we see a crying man and a body in his hands. But look closely! This is the same checkered shirt, same trousers and shoes, the same person. So does it mean that the crying man took the body brought it some place else?"
-- no, maybe the picture is taken from the opposite angle
"And again if you look close enough you can notice that the guy crying is the person in black from the previous picture."
-- errr, not so sure about that
"Now here he is again, alone still with some clothes on, or may be he got changed."
-- or maybe this picture was taken beforehand
"Generally if you see the pictures you can notice that nothing happens around the scene. No people running, and there are actually not a lot of people for a big residential building area if it was really bombed."
-- abandoned
"except maybe for one guy in black who doesn't look anyhow concerned."
-- gee maybe he stepped out of character for a moment!
Lost Fragment
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I think you're just trying to rationalize a preconceived notion. Seeing what you want to see and all that.
avaya said:
Don't give me that shit.
http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/
Beyond photos, I've seen time and time again stories sourced from agencies like Reuters and run without alteration in western media markets that contain a heap of bias and slant. Don't give me this shit that Reuters is this perfectly neutral organization because it isn't.
Funky Papa
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Turkish journalists shot in Georgia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6hB5RvYoM
It's a damn miracle nobody died. I'm not sure who was firing though, maybe some our resident Turks can translate it for the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6hB5RvYoM
It's a damn miracle nobody died. I'm not sure who was firing though, maybe some our resident Turks can translate it for the rest.
Lost Fragment
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There's no truly unbias news agency in the world because the human element is always involved.
But at the same time, you're coming in here giving 100% credence to a Russian guy who posts laughable "evidence" of scene manipulation. That same guy, most likely, has had Russia's talking points pounded into his head by a media that's undeniably controlled by the Kremlin.
But at the same time, you're coming in here giving 100% credence to a Russian guy who posts laughable "evidence" of scene manipulation. That same guy, most likely, has had Russia's talking points pounded into his head by a media that's undeniably controlled by the Kremlin.
Mango Positive
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Not defending the conspiracy theories, but if someone DID want to manipulate us through the western media, it would be fucking easy. No one would believe it.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Jesus Christ. What the hell is going on?
Russia: Poland risks attack due to U.S. missiles
Infuriated Moscow issues threat in reaction to deal on interceptor base
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203430
Red Dawn 2: Dawn Harder?
Russia: Poland risks attack due to U.S. missiles
Infuriated Moscow issues threat in reaction to deal on interceptor base
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26203430
Red Dawn 2: Dawn Harder?
Lost Fragment
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Hooray for being mentally ill. They wouldn't draft me unless the mainland was being invaded <3
Listen to yourself dude, you're giving a huge amount of credibility to some dude in a blog with a theory that was harshly debunked while at the *same time* criticising people for giving Reuters the benefit of the doubt. Don't you see the problem with that? You're the one blindly accepting laughable sources just because they jibe with your worldview while completely dismissing sources that don't.xabre said:
How many people do you think read that blog and think his 'evidence' is worth a damn?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_assassination_teams
Saw it on CNN (not on their site yet).
Looks like the reasons to invade Iran are mounting?
Saw it on CNN (not on their site yet).
Looks like the reasons to invade Iran are mounting?
DemonSwordsman
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Vieo said:
THat is such fake propaganda bs.
SnakeswithLasers
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Sir Fragula said:
cry moar lol.
Kidding, I hate that shit too.
Funky Papa said:
Well it happened on Sunday.
Once the video cuts to the vehicle you can hear one of the guys saying that what they see must be Georgian forces, when the shooting starts. One of the guys is immediately hit, I don't know where though. They actually try to back up, which leads to more shooting. Then they start praying for a moment before yelling "Press". After the shooting stops they check up on each other while trying to keep their heads low. One of them has a head wound while another was hit in the arm. They get out and take off their shirts to wrap it around the head of the injured guy. After that they don't really say anything in Turkish anymore and start walking towards the Russian/Ossetian forces.
Poland's acceptance of the US/NATO missile shield should vastly complicate matters and relations between the US and Russia. a more cynical scorcho (where Cheney is an evil robot) wonders whether US relations towards Georgia and the Ukraine was partly an attempt to provoke a disproportionate Russian response that melted away Polish resistance.
conspiracy theory aside, that the US will now 'temporarily' augment Poland's eastern border with troops and arms makes naked the Cold War-era thinking for the missile shield in the first place.
conspiracy theory aside, that the US will now 'temporarily' augment Poland's eastern border with troops and arms makes naked the Cold War-era thinking for the missile shield in the first place.
scorcho said:
Except Poland's resistance has largely been over the fact they wanted more weapons than the U.S. was willing to give (specifically batteries of Patriot Missiles that aren't part of a missile shield).
Until this week, we'd refused to give them the Patriots. Now they get the Missile Shield, the Patriots, American forces to train and work the Patriots, and a defensive pact with the U.S.
And a threat of getting nuked by Russia.
besada said:
Just saw an article talking about that. Russia is good at its rhetoric but Poland isnt Georgia and they know they dont have a foot to stand on Militarily this time to push Poland around. The US is actually playing the cards Russia did now. We are placing US Military Personnel in the front lines of Poland so if Russia does attack it will be a direct attack on American Forces.
brain_stew
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
Are we officially entering a second cold war now?
The Missle Defence shield is a crock of shit, it doesn't work and is decades away from working and by that time they will probably have ICBM's that can defeat it. At the moment any multiple warhead missle will penetrate the shield very easily. The whole thing is a waste of time.
The Russian's won't attack Poland.
You are banned, I don't know for what.
FWIW I have gone to uni with Russian's, I have close friends who are Russian's, throughout my working life I have worked with Russian's, and I have been to Russia many times. The City of London is jam packed full of CIS new money.
THEY DO NOT DISPUTE REUTERS. THEY DO NOT DISPUTE THE BBC.
They may think the story has been fabricated by Western powers and certainly many of them thought the poisoning of Litvinienko at Itsu London was a load of shit. They think the sources of the stories are FULL OF SHIT. Not the news organisations who report based on these sources.
Reuters is an independent news organisation. The BBC is the most neutral state owned news organisation in the world and will poke shit at anyone who isn't the Royal Family. This includes the very government who fund it and they regularly shit on the government, no holds barred. Every politician interviewed or given airtime is immediately treated as though they are a total cunt, even before they start speaking.
Some of the comments in this thread about the BBC are fucking comical. You watch 1years of domestic BBC News and you will be blown away by just how much a state owned organisation goes out of it's way to trash the very body that funds it. This is because the BBC is truly INDEPENDENT. For some of the conspiracy theorists in this thread that is hard to grasp.
The commercial networks of whom Reuters belongs to but doesn't play into (if you work in Finance you will know why), will make fabrications - NOT because of propaganda but because crazy shit sells. This is Murdoch's number one rule in business. All News Corp outlets like to spread shit. This isn't an organised propaganda machine it is business decision.
One of the facts of the matter is that Putin is a crazy motherfucker. Cuba has got some real issues and the portrayal of Venezuela is damn right wrong because all they did was take back control of what was theirs in the first place and this happened to hurt big oil and subsequently hit a note with Murdoch the shit spreader cunt.
The Russian's won't attack Poland.
Xenu said:
You are banned, I don't know for what.
FWIW I have gone to uni with Russian's, I have close friends who are Russian's, throughout my working life I have worked with Russian's, and I have been to Russia many times. The City of London is jam packed full of CIS new money.
THEY DO NOT DISPUTE REUTERS. THEY DO NOT DISPUTE THE BBC.
They may think the story has been fabricated by Western powers and certainly many of them thought the poisoning of Litvinienko at Itsu London was a load of shit. They think the sources of the stories are FULL OF SHIT. Not the news organisations who report based on these sources.
Reuters is an independent news organisation. The BBC is the most neutral state owned news organisation in the world and will poke shit at anyone who isn't the Royal Family. This includes the very government who fund it and they regularly shit on the government, no holds barred. Every politician interviewed or given airtime is immediately treated as though they are a total cunt, even before they start speaking.
Some of the comments in this thread about the BBC are fucking comical. You watch 1years of domestic BBC News and you will be blown away by just how much a state owned organisation goes out of it's way to trash the very body that funds it. This is because the BBC is truly INDEPENDENT. For some of the conspiracy theorists in this thread that is hard to grasp.
The commercial networks of whom Reuters belongs to but doesn't play into (if you work in Finance you will know why), will make fabrications - NOT because of propaganda but because crazy shit sells. This is Murdoch's number one rule in business. All News Corp outlets like to spread shit. This isn't an organised propaganda machine it is business decision.
One of the facts of the matter is that Putin is a crazy motherfucker. Cuba has got some real issues and the portrayal of Venezuela is damn right wrong because all they did was take back control of what was theirs in the first place and this happened to hurt big oil and subsequently hit a note with Murdoch the shit spreader cunt.
The missile shields a joke in the sense that against Russia it is totally useless. If Nuclear War were to break out between the United States and Russia the sheer number of ICBMs launching from both sides would overwhelm the system instantly.
The System is totally ineffective against Russia and could never pose a threat to the Balance of Power as Russia calls it. Against Iran and countries like that sure it likely would get the job done cause Iran is not sitting on 8,000 Nukes.
Russia only gives a shit because we are giving weapons to countries near them
The System is totally ineffective against Russia and could never pose a threat to the Balance of Power as Russia calls it. Against Iran and countries like that sure it likely would get the job done cause Iran is not sitting on 8,000 Nukes.
Russia only gives a shit because we are giving weapons to countries near them
The Chosen One
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So what exactly is the full story here? Anyone want to attempt to give an impartial assessment of what's going on?
I don't trust the US media for an accurate account. During the Israel-Lebanon conflict two years ago, the coverage was completely one-sided. I don't buy into conspiracy theories, I just think we tend to give favorable/sympathetic coverage to the party we're backing so we don't get the full story.
I don't trust the US media for an accurate account. During the Israel-Lebanon conflict two years ago, the coverage was completely one-sided. I don't buy into conspiracy theories, I just think we tend to give favorable/sympathetic coverage to the party we're backing so we don't get the full story.
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