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German Federal Elections 2017 |OT| Electing the new leader of the free world
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why exactly?
Free cocaine and razor blades? Nice.
Did you never feel like doing something stupid?
ISee
Member
No sir, by all means they aren't even close to offer a good solution to an important problem.
I like their ideas on education, taxation, privacy and digitization.
Nice shitposting. Let me guess you're voting left?
That's why I voted for the Greens. Damage control.
kingkaiser
Member
Well, voting for FDP is probably the politest and most political correct way in Germany to say FUCK YOU poor people. The party of rich cowards.
To be fair FDP has some decent ones like Schnarrenberger.
Whatever happened to her?
Muffin1611
Banned
What exactly? For taxation, important things like Spitzensteuersatz or Erbschaftssteuer aren't even mentioned in their program.
When it comes to privacy and digitization only the idea of a new department for it sticks out. The rest is nothing ground breaking. If you look further at FDP-Landespolitik when it comes to digitization, it largely revolves around economic models digitization makes possible for companies, and not much more. Doesn't fill me with confidence that the FDP understands digitization and didn't just make a seemingly huge point in their program to catch younger voters.
Their education plans are quite funny when it comes to Kitas. They want Kitas to compete against each other by people giving the Kita of choice a voucher. Instead of raising quality standards. (Where do I have heard that concept before?)
They're also still for Studiengebühren, but this is Bundespolitik and not Landespolitik so I'll let that one slide.
And their Arbeitspolitik is terrible.
kingkaiser
Member
When even the leftist of the left in your party thinks that fighting for freedom equals the protection of tax evasion you know you are in the FDP.
Royal_Flush
Member
There is literally no chance of a coalition without CDU happening as long as the AfD is around 10%.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Why do we need to increase the Spitzensteuersatz or Erbschaftssteuer? Tax revenue is at it's highest ever.
They want to include single parents aswell as families into the marriage splitting which i support. They also want to get rid of the soli and the cold progression.
They support net neutrality, want to invest heavily in fiber (by getting rid of the telekom shares the federal goverment owns), want to increase EU data protection laws aswell as finally get the digital single market going.
I support their idea of finally stop having 16 different education policies for every state. Imo the federal goverment should set standards for every state. I also like the proposals of implementing quality checks and heavily invest federal money into schools and universities.
I don't see why.
I worked Zeitarbeit for a year and it's nowhere near as bad as people always suggest. They want to increase the minjob threshold to 530€ and finally opening up sundays for business is something we should have done years ago.
Also Langzeitkontos for overtime is also a good idea (although my company already does something similiar).
Anyway, i don't think i should post more of my thoughts since some of you guys already suggest i'm some dumb rich kid for voting FDP.
4 months ago it wasn't impossible and SDP denying to rule out a coalition with the left immediately made them non electable for me and others.
There is simply no alternative to voting FDP in Germany :
- only the brain dead vote extremists like Linke and AfD
- the Green have such a terrible idea of man that they can only think of bans and prohibitions
- the SPD can't handle money
- and the CDU is for religious fundamentalists
- only the brain dead vote extremists like Linke and AfD
- the Green have such a terrible idea of man that they can only think of bans and prohibitions
- the SPD can't handle money
- and the CDU is for religious fundamentalists
Royal_Flush
Member
Oh how I miss the pirate party... I want a party that is hardcore civil rights liberal and economically center-left or left 
Muffin1611
Banned
Because the divide in wealth between poor and rich is getting constantly bigger, and not even touching that subject is incredibly naive and ignorant on the side of the FDP.
Getting rid of soli is something the SPD also supports, for example.
Which party doesn't advertise to invest in fiber? The freaking CDU does. Everbody does one way or another.
The digital single market is an old concept and will get going with or without the FPD. Imo what's proposed so far falls short of expectations and I don't see the FPD being the deciding factor.
Again, they don't advocate for much different in that regard than the other parties. They just put a bigger emphasis on it, which I don't immediately can draw confidence in actual commitment for it from, especially looking at the Koalitionsvertrag here in NRW.
That's a rather good thing, I agree. I still find some of their proposals in education questionable.
Regarding Zeitarbeit that's a new one. Almost everytime I hear bad things about it. My dad had to do it too during the financial crisis.
I had a long text about something else regarding work on DGAF, I'll keep it short.
What CDU and FDP are proposing is gutting the Arbeitszeitgesetz. When better documentation (maybe with help of digitization!) of adhering to it on the side of the employer is needed, they rather say "Nobody is adhering to this anyway, who needs this." They want to remove the limit of general 8 hour workday (I know there are exceptions) and just keep the week limit of 48 hours. This will hit every worker and Azubi.
This alone is making their Arbeitspolitik extremely terrible imo.
I'm sorry if I seem like one of those between the bunch of all these posts, I'd rather keep it civil. Calling somebody dumb for their voting choice is nothing I support. (Well, unless it's the AfD).
Chairmanchuck
Member
Oh how I miss the pirate party... I want a party that is hardcore civil rights liberal and economically center-left or left
The Pirate Party destroyed themselves with heads of the party being apprentices that didnt have any clue about german laws while they literally had great lawyers in the party...
They wanted it to be a young party, but if your leaders are spouting bullshit thats not true (e.g. about laws, one of THE things the BT votes on), its not a good look and in the end that destroyed them.
Royal_Flush
Member
I know the tragic story, I almost became a member but then the downfall started to shine through. But their political agenda filled an area of the political spectrum that no major party occupies right now and I happen to be in.
GunslingerVit
Banned
Of course there is an Alternative for Deutschland.
Muffin1611
Banned
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Chairmanchuck
Member
Thats why I dont get why they let the lawyers from the party in decision making or at least PR. German IT-Law is sooo outdated and is still using laws that were made for Fax-systems and then judges/lawyers try to fit it to internet-cases.
No party is actually trying to renew German IT law. Pirates would have been a good party that would tackle those, but then put some apprentices as their leaders who rather talk about "Killerspiele" and technical terms instead about laws.
Haunted
Member
Looking at who will be included in the new Spitzensteuersatz and other tax ranges when Linke or SPD would get their wish, that would actually negatively impact me financially.
And I am not filthy rich by any stretch of the imagination, let me tell you that. I think they're taking from the wrong people by taxing the Mittelstand (Selbstständige in particular) too highly.
Royal_Flush
Member
It's not even about the IT stuff. Other parties will get there in two or three election cycles. It's that I want a mixture between the socioeconomic principles of the greens and the civil rights fundamentalism of the FDP. But the greens think people are idiots and need to be told what to do and the FDP is way too neoliberal. Like, digital future indeed is a underrepresented topic, but it's not the most important reason why I want a pirate like party.
It's the kind of comment made by people who get their political education from reading comment sections on the internet. They turn every argument over facts and policies into sanctimonious ad-hominems, since moral shit posting is easier than having an actual argument.
For instance, you would expect them to get indignant about demands to abolish the noble-sounding Mietpreisbremse, ignoring the fact that it has implemented miserably, while the real issues lie elsewhere. But clearly, criticising broken policies makes you cowardly rich kid.
Muffin1611
Banned
Now come on, you're not being very much better right now with throwing it back like that. Expanding the building of affordable homes is definitely good, but seemingly not even the Landesregierungen are sure themselves of the effects of it. And you can put emphasis on building more affordable homes while still supporting an overhaul of the Mietpreisbremse so it actually achieves what it's meant to. The direct dropping of it is foolish, we need long term measures as the FDP proposes, but completely disregarding viable short term measures is not the way to make things better.
http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2017-06/mietpreisbremse-nordrhein-westfalen-schleswig-holstein-gesetz
Define filthy rich.
I'm above median wage but i don't think of myself as rich but going by the left i'm probably going to be taxed even higher.
Taxing higher incomes more doesn't solve the issue of divide between rich and poor. The FDP actually proposes a form of basic income.
I never said the FDP is proposing a revolution and most parties outside of the extreme right or left have quite a bit interchangeable ideas but i specificially think breaking the telekom monopol should be on the top of the list concernign digital infrastructure and IIRC the FDP is the only party proposing this.
That's okay. I certainly don't agree with every of their proposals.
I work 45-50h per week (more if i travel) and i don't think the idea of moving away from a strict monday - friday 40h week is a bad idea. I quite like being able to choose when i want to start working or if i want to stop early.
Don't worry. I'm quite fine discussing politics with people who can do it on a mature level.
kingkaiser
Member
That CDU/FDP Arbeitspolitik proposal is basically "make unpaid overtime great again!", because this time we give YOU the power to cut you own freetime "voluntary".
Much freedom
Much happy bosses
Much profit gain
Wow!
Much freedom
Much happy bosses
Much profit gain
Wow!
Bitch Pudding
Member
Get over it people. Not everyone here is a fan of left ideas and ideals. Some here a liberals, conservatives, or maybe even vegans, who knows, right?. Just deal with it.
And I for one think that NO ONE needs to explain himself or should be told to do so unless of course his or her vote goes to an anti-democratic party like the AfD or Die Linke.
sorry for the drive by stuff but I'm from the future so listen:
CDU of course won but SPD managed to get 4% more votes than expected.
AFD is the third biggest Party because FDP stole voters from everyone.
CDU went into coalition with FDP and B90 die Grünen.
Schulz stepped on some podium after election day and said "...and that's why we decided against a coalition, because we would never let a party like the AFD be the opposition leader!"
4 years later Schulz is now remembered as the dude that stood up for democracy and the SPD won election in 2022.
Özdemir and Lindner, the new "alarm für cobra 11" duo, catch "Umweltsünder" und "Steuerfahnder" on the Autobahn driving the "Spaß-Mobil"
The Iphone Z has a 3.5 jack again.
Oh shit, the Kickstarter for Episode 3 just came up, fingers crossed guys
CDU of course won but SPD managed to get 4% more votes than expected.
AFD is the third biggest Party because FDP stole voters from everyone.
CDU went into coalition with FDP and B90 die Grünen.
Schulz stepped on some podium after election day and said "...and that's why we decided against a coalition, because we would never let a party like the AFD be the opposition leader!"
4 years later Schulz is now remembered as the dude that stood up for democracy and the SPD won election in 2022.
Özdemir and Lindner, the new "alarm für cobra 11" duo, catch "Umweltsünder" und "Steuerfahnder" on the Autobahn driving the "Spaß-Mobil"
The Iphone Z has a 3.5 jack again.
Oh shit, the Kickstarter for Episode 3 just came up, fingers crossed guys
I strongly doubt the possibility of fixing that policy in the short term. It has too many issues that don't have a clear answer. And that article doesn't try to provide them.
For instance, how do you want to make sure that landlords provide their new tenants with the former tenant's accurate previous rent? This information is fundamental for any such policy to work, yet you can't force the former tenants to provide this information. On top of that, current laws on data and privacy protection would likely make it impossible to force the landlord to provide it as well. At the very least, the new tenants would have to go to court to force the landlord to provide accurate information. There is no legal/bureaucratic infrastructure available to ensure that this fundamental part of the process works.
In reality there will be no short-term way to improve the situation. It will take at least a few years to implement actions to reduce the costs of housebuilding and make more land available for construction.
The policy is a prime example for why we should be skeptical of efforts to "outlaw poverty". In a free society people will always work around them, forcing them to become even more complex, more broken, and ultimately more unjust. Reality is too complex to fix problems by simply capping prices by decree. Good intentions alone are not enough.
I lived in Munich for over a year, and I currently live in another expensive city. Unfortunately, I am not filthy rich enough to not be personally impacted by the consequences of the current housing situation. I want realistic solutions, not the rushing of poorly thought-out policies.
I have trust in this man
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kingkaiser
Member
There is only one truly anti-democratic party in Germany.
The one continuously ruling in Bavaria for 60 (in words: sixty) years.
I mean, not even the SED managed that.
The one continuously ruling in Bavaria for 60 (in words: sixty) years.
I mean, not even the SED managed that.
To me, the FDP are a scary bunch. A black&yellow coalition would probably give me nightmares of being forced to toil in the Sauerkraut mines as slave.
Still not very sure whether I'll just throw my vote at Schulz and his ragtag band of crusty Genossen, or "bite the sour apple" and vote for Greens, knowing full well that I won't like a huge chunk of their politics. Sigh. Rest of the bunch are simply unacceptable on a fundamental level. Kinda sad, really.
At least, the ad banners and campaign posters with a smiling Seehofer will vanish soon. I guess CSU (and FDP) are bombarding all Bavarian IPs with extreme prejudice. They seem to be spending major moolah. Or I'm just unlucky.
Still not very sure whether I'll just throw my vote at Schulz and his ragtag band of crusty Genossen, or "bite the sour apple" and vote for Greens, knowing full well that I won't like a huge chunk of their politics. Sigh. Rest of the bunch are simply unacceptable on a fundamental level. Kinda sad, really.
At least, the ad banners and campaign posters with a smiling Seehofer will vanish soon. I guess CSU (and FDP) are bombarding all Bavarian IPs with extreme prejudice. They seem to be spending major moolah. Or I'm just unlucky.
Bitch Pudding
Member
GunslingerVit
Banned
Who needs stupid old Rente if you simply continue to work after you've retired?
Muffin1611
Banned
US politics and Brexit are quite spectacular in comparison, yeah.
paperboywriter
Member
Which is very good for Germany
Regarding education, this one deserves more attention:
Too many people do not receive BAföG because their parents earn too much money on paper, when factual they cannot afford to support their children with sufficient funds. The paperwork also isn't pleasant for students who are estranged from their parents for various reasons. If your parents deny you the paperwork, your only option is to go to court.
I am perfectly fine that part of that funding will be handed out in the form of a low-interest loan. Publicly funded education should ultimately benefit society, meaning that a large part of it should be aimed at jobs that our society actually needs. A student who choses her education accordingly will have no issue with paying it back .
Green Yoshi
Member
Voting for the FDP is the stupidiest thing you can do on Sunday.
They would be a nightmare for people like me that just graduated. Neither they want to do something against rising rents nor they want to limit temporary contracts. So young people will have to commute to work.
Furthermore they have no plan how to increase the working conditions of nurses and caregivers. Therefore less and less people will decide for these jobs. Germany already has the largest low wage sector in Europe. It will only expand with the FDP in the government. Alexander Graf Lambsdorff was confronted with the question of a single mother of two children in TV this morning. He said that the FDP wants to abolish the real estate transfer tax if the single-parenting mother is considering to buy property. How can one be further removed from the reality of people?
In addition the FDP has learned nothing from the Euro crisis. They pound on contracts and want nations like Greece and Spain to reduce their expenses even more. As an economist I can only wonder about this opinion. You have to invest and increase demand, not stifle purchasing power. Other European nations will suffer if the FDP becomes part of the next government.
I voted for the CDU back in 2009 and was quite happy that CDU and FDP formed a coalition. But it was a complete disappointment and in contrast to the CDU the FDP is still the same party.
ClosingADoor
Member
Did you include inflation in that € 290.000? Because that comes out at 455.000 in todays money otherwise. Trouble is wages are not keeping up with price increases anymore in most countries, especially for young people.
Someone (probably some patriotic Russians acting independently with plenty of time on their hands) dumped Macron's campaign emails 2 days before the election and people weren't amused - if anything, it probably helped him. European politics just aren't as polarized as America's; Putin probably understands that it's just not as effective here as it is there.
How is that? I support a lot of their policies and in the end the worst thing i'll get from voting FDP is no tax increase.
As El Torro already said they're proposing the sensible option of opening up the market to have more flats built. A Mietpreisbremse that doesn't even work won't solve the underlying problem of more and more people moving to the cities with not enough flats.
Also what do you want to limit temporary contracts for? Sure a contract without limit is nice but i don't see why this is such a big issue?
This is not true. If you read their proposals you'd see that they explicitly want to better working conditions for caretakers and nurses.
So basically like the CDU and SPD? Also this point is like 5 years late.
Considering you're an economist should know eurozone outlook is actually better than any G7 country other than Canada at the moment.
kingkaiser
Member
Oh come on, that's too harsh now. Of course they have a plan, it might be the same plan they have for any other problem out there, but what do we know, maybe the wealth will actually trickle down this time?
Privatization is a legitimate political ideology afterall. Sure, deregulation and privatization in social businesses like elder care might lead to Soylent Green, but hey, wasn't that a cool film?