gundamkyoukai
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Subjective plus great exclusives don't mean much when they don't sell.
This was a poor article to tell the truth and shows how out of touch the game media is.
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GI:BIZ Sony needs to stay humble and focused
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Subjective plus great exclusives don't mean much when they don't sell.
This was a poor article to tell the truth and shows how out of touch the game media is.
duessano
Member
A "dedicated" PS3 gamer would have a PS4 already, right?
bananafactory
Banned
Agreed.
Bloodborne, The Order, Persona 5, Rime, WILD, Tomorrow Children, No Man's Sky, and Uncharted 4 are all clearly targeted at the core gamer.
It's not like their lineup is just Singstar and PS Move party games.
So tell me the great MS 2015 lineup for the next 3 quarters.
I remember reading in a magazine, when someone asked Sony about the Square button having problems in the PSP (due being close with the screen) and they answered:
It always appeared to me an awful and arrogant answer to a hardware problem.
Metallix87
Member
Stuff like how they were taking handheld gaming "out of the ghetto", and after the system was revealed to have some flaw with one of it's face buttons, someone (Kutaragi?) came out and said something along the lines of "if a brilliant architect built a beautiful gate that didn't close right, people would still admire the beauty of the gate". There were a few other choice statements around launch, suggesting that the system was not competing with DS, but instead with other types of entertainment / media products.
semiconscious
Member
you're obviously deluded
...were something along the lines of this article made as a comment up here, it'd be classified under the heading 'concern trolling'...
pr0cs
Member
XB1 had a role reversal this gen.
should have posted the "war is over" slide from E3 as well (where they talked about the huge gap in ps2 vs GC/XBOX)
Pingoreous
Member
Yeah it's mind numbing. Sony decided to go with off the shelve PC parts in part to save money on RD and to make a profit right at the beginning. That's a move to try to get the company back to making money and just because the competition is having a fire sale and they can afford to do so, doesn't change the situation with your company. I really believe these writers knowing Sony's situation and how businesses work, ignore the facts and just make these articles for clicks.
Miles Quaritch
Member
XB1 had a role reversal this gen.
Oh, I remember that all too well.
Wow, that's pretty insane. Surprised I missed it at the time. Also surprised it's not really talked about more when people reference Sony's arrogance around that time.
Matrix XII
Member
What is the problem with broadening the demographic?
This could mean a price drop to make it more affordable to the masses.
This could mean a price drop to make it more affordable to the masses.
Metallix87
Member
I'm not talking about the article. I'm referring to why some people would still be upset about Sony not dropping the price. Whether the games sell or not, the competition are offering a great number of rock-solid exclusives, and arguably a much higher quantity of them.
I always found that very strange, because the 2004 / 2005 arrogance that Sony showed far eclipsed what they brought to the table for the PS3 launch.
XB1 had a role reversal this gen.
Shows how dumb it is to place these adjectives on company's.
Build hardware for >$800 sell it for $500 - arrogance.
Build hardware for <$400 sell it for $400 - humble.
bananafactory
Banned
I'd be curious to know what the much higher quantity is.
So far in 2015 I can only think of Quantum Break and Halo 5, or Tomb Raider if you count that despite the fact it'll hit PS4/PC 6 months later. Pretty sure Scalebound is a 2016 title.
The PS3 launch was the fall of Sony due their arrogance. People just didn't notice how much arrogant they'd become before that point. For most, it was an eye-opening moment and therefore associate their arrogance with that.
Metallix87
Member
This is 2014, going into the holidays. We're talking about the present, not the future.
Captain Tuttle
Member
I don't care if they are humble or arrogant just as long as they stay focused
plasmawave
Banned
Game journos like to jump to conclusions.
alexandros
Banned
They are. They have a plan and they are executing it perfectly so far. They should just avoid getting complacent.
bananafactory
Banned
Sorry, my mistake. The article was discussing Sony's future so that's where I was headed.
Regardless, without getting into list wars I'd say the exclusive lineup for both systems is pretty similar at the moment.
It is when less than 10% of your game library don't even utilize it's "power".
John Bender
Banned
Reading the whole article....... yeah, it makes no sense.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Sony can start chasing the casual crowd after Bloodborne, No Man's Sky, Rime and wILD are out the gate first. Preferably by 2015. Soony etc.
OccamsLightsaber
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Do I smell a list war or is that the pile of crap you just dropped.
what a weird article. This whole sentiment that alludes sony needing to do 'something' is just absurd.
The only difference is sony came in with a very sound plan and executed it well. MS didn't so they are doing whatever they can to catch up as much as they can. Doesn't mean Sony needs to panic at all.
The only difference is sony came in with a very sound plan and executed it well. MS didn't so they are doing whatever they can to catch up as much as they can. Doesn't mean Sony needs to panic at all.
Metallix87
Member
That's fair, but you're not complaining about the price point. The people that are, though, likely think that Sony aren't offering the same amount of worthwhile exclusive content as the competitors are.
bananafactory
Banned
That's understandable. I also play a large number of 3rd party/multiplatform games so exclusive content isn't as important to me as just having a solid system I like to game on.
I can certainly see how some people would find offerings from either MS or Sony to be lacking depending on their taste, Nintendo's lineup is actually probably the most diverse and compelling at the moment. The $299 price is also very attractive. It's a shame that it's still lagging so far behind.
Yeah I was totally wrong. MS has the next year on lockdown. I mean they have Halo, again!
gundamkyoukai
Member
The casual will come with price drops and more games just like they always do .
Sony will also bring out both hardcore and casual software like they have done for 3 gens .
Article make no sense in many ways .
bananafactory
Banned
Success stories are boring, people like controversy. The PS4 has handily dominated the market since last November so people need to find other angles to make it interesting.
semiconscious
Member
it's become very obvious that many in the western game press have yet to reconcile with the way this gen has gone so far. this's not the 'one year later' situation they'd expected to be dealing with, at all, & they are left struggling to understand exactly wtf is going on...
afa predicting which way early adopters would go, & what they would & wouldn't find appealing (&/or acceptable), they just completely missed the boat... & continue to do so...
afa predicting which way early adopters would go, & what they would & wouldn't find appealing (&/or acceptable), they just completely missed the boat... & continue to do so...
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
That I know of slated for 2015 Halo, Gears, Quantum Break, Fable, Tomb Raider, Screamride, Ori.
Gears is not making 2015, unless you mean Gears Collection.
And Halo 5 is late 2015, so that's a year away. Four quarters.
I definitely think so far Sony has the dominant 2015 lineup, but it's hard to say which of its experiments will sell very well. Bloodborne? The Order? Uncharted will do well. What about any of its billion amazing idiosyncratic 2015 indie titles?
gundamkyoukai
Member
Gears is not going to make 2015 , they now start working on it last year .
No way that game take less than 2 years .
Portugeezer
Member
2015 looks amazing for PS4, I don't know about you guys.
Pingoreous
Member
I like how having MLB the Show, Driveclub, Killzone Shadow fall, LBP, Infamous Second son equals no exclusives this year. If you don't like this list, it shows how exclusives are subjective. With the exception of Forza Horizon 2, i didn't like the Xbox one's exclusives this year. The whole X or Y is offering better is bullshit as an excuse.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Bloodborne will be low tier 1.5 million to 2.5 million . The Order could go either way .
It's the LeBron sysndrome. At first it's all accolades and praise. Then it's disdain and criticism.
It's human nature to find kinks in armor. Same could be said for the XBONE. With that said we are arguably in one of the most exciting gaming generations but were letting analysts bait us for clicks.
I say fuck em. Whether Sony or MS game on brethren.
SuperSonic1305
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Is this a serious reply? At least you didn't include betas like some people.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I thought Gears was rumoured for 2015 according to twitter.
Even leaving that out MS has a strong lineup, so does Sony so it comes down to personal preference. They also announced and launched Forza Horizon 2 in a few months so there may be more to come along with lots more Indies.
Even leaving that out MS has a strong lineup, so does Sony so it comes down to personal preference. They also announced and launched Forza Horizon 2 in a few months so there may be more to come along with lots more Indies.
bananafactory
Banned
Gears = Likely 2016
Tomb Raider is all but certainly hitting PS4/PC 3-6 months later.
I won't bother listing them all but if you're talking sheer numbers, the PS4 probably has double the amount of exclusive titles hitting in 2015. As for quality, none of these games are out so it's impossible to say which will have the advantage there
I would be surprised if Gears made 2015. QB will probably make 2015 but it is Remedy (they can take all the time the need btw). Fable I forgot about so you got me there. Tomb Raider is on 360 though and Ori and Screamride are games that would've been dismissed this year for being to indie if they were PS4 exclusives (also Ori is on PC).
My point that Sony is still focused on the core stands though. For not going further into console war territory lets compare Sony's 2014 to 2015. They look way stronger on the exclusive front, big and small. The only front they are currently beat at is the "casual" front which includes apps and multimedia.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Sony is doing fine. And 2015(or the year of the Bloodborne) is going to be amazing.