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Halo 4 Interview With Footage, Probably No Beta [Up: Official Making Of Video]
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Demoncarnotaur
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I would say a good way to handle it would make it harder for jetpackers to aim accurately while making those using the jetpack more vulnerable and easier to head shot. I still don't think Jetpacks have to break Halo, but maybe I am delusional.
AllIsOneIsNone
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Exactly what I was thinking. I definitely don't want everyone flying around all the time, but a nice little thrust with a similar recharge time could be awesome.
Active reload, bro.
RebornYeti
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They don't have to break it if the implementation is up to par. What annoys people about the jetpack's current incarnation in Reach is that the user isn't all that vulnerable since they have the full offensive capabilities that they would normally. Remove the ability to fire and throw grenades while thrusting and you cut down a significant amount of the annoyance because it becomes an ability modifying only mobility, which people are generally okay with.
helvetica bold
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i found this interesting from the destructoid article:
"The visuals have been bumped up too and mark Halo 4 as the first true high-definition Halo game, coming in at 30 frames per second".
"The visuals have been bumped up too and mark Halo 4 as the first true high-definition Halo game, coming in at 30 frames per second".
FIRST CoD's UNLOCKS, NOW GEARS' RELOAD! HAVE YOU NO SHAME, 343?!
Yes, I am joking.
Yeah, it definitely looks like a jetpack or set of thrusters to me as well. The placement kind of makes me wonder if it's assigned to the left trigger... Would that be blasphemous?
Ah, makes sense.
ElRenoRaven
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Judging by the looks of it my money is on thruster charge. Say it refills over time hence limiting your use of thrusters.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
And that is a VERY big problem in 2 and above. It ruins big maps, it ruins even moderate level players. Having a gun that's inherently weaker to balance out holding two of them is a terrible idea.
BR/DMR starts are the only thing that makes sense. It's strong enough to not gimp you, but not good enough to deter you from picking up power weapons.
That's not the fault of the weapon, that's the fault of bad playlist management not giving BR starts on large maps. It's not like AR starts in Halo 3 and Reach are any better, it's always shitty spawning with a crappy weapon and having to search for something to be dangerous. The SMG was a great secondary weapon, useful in its niche with the ability to be boosted by a second dual pickup to increase the size of that niche. The whole idea of dual wielding was marred by bad playlist management, but I wouldn't condemn the entire mechanic because of it.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Yeah, it's native 720p and it's going to have AA too.
HocusPocus
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Looks really great. I think the new team is going to really up the bar on Halo. Looks like Microsoft is putting some major $$$ behind, which is a first this generation in comparison to what Sony has done on several. Not to say they haven't put money behind games, but this one has a really large team. Bigger than any other first party Xbox 360 game that I'm aware of.
The DMR also had a huge detrimental effect on combat by pushing engagement distances out significantly. The design of the BR prevents the kind of long range sniping that the DMR enables. Maps like Hemorrhage illustrate this problem, where huge swaths of territory become off limits because you get pinged from all areas of the map at once. (The 3x scope adds to this problem.)
The BR was quite predictable within its intended usage range. When it was too far to engage properly with it, that's your cue to close the distance.
The return of the BR and burst spread fire is the best news to come out of today, IMO. Well that alongside the lack of player inertia and the return of actual strafing.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
But why have a weapon that is spray and pray, only works up close, and have to sacrifice melee and grenades to use when you have DMRs and BRs that work up close and far away, and don't gimp your melees and grenades?
Even the AR is better than dual wielding since the AR can be used at range semi-effectively, but it's still useless if there are DMR/BRs on the map.
Balance means giving everyone something balanced. Helping the winning team snowball their victory by having people who've just spawned spawn with nothing isn't very fun for anyone. Winning teams already have the advantage of being able to get to power weapons easier, having to worry about getting a BR and then worry about getting power weapons is dumb.
To your last point, I don't think that only giving players automatic weapon on spawn is a good thing in the first place, so you would never have to worry about trying to find a BR on spawn in my ideal Halo game.
As for the AR being semi-effective at range (in a lot of cases overly effective), I don't think that's necessarily a positive thing. I like my weapons to be range restricted - a single SMG was crappy at midrange unless you A) found another one, B) pulsed the shots and took your time, or C) both. You sacrifice melee (but not really) and grenades in the last two scenarios, and that's fine because you end up with faster kill times in a larger effective radius around you. I like the idea that you can increase the effective range of a weapon by using it skillfully, which is how I excuse the very utilitarian nature of the DMR and BR. They're much harder to use in close range situations, but people who are able to do it effectively can do so because they're good at the game, not because they luck into it.
I don't even know that I want dual wielding to return, I was primarily just making the distinction between bad playlist management (that resulted in SMG and AR starts on large maps instead of BR starts) and bad mechanics. That half-weapon problem that people latch onto was a nonissue in BR start games (and made for some very great uses of dual combos, such as base defense), and is only really remembered because of how bad SMG starts were. Thing is, AR starts have the same issue (less so in Reach with the inclusion of a pistol that is worth a damn) but you aren't able to increase that weapon's effectiveness as drastically.
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BakedPigeon
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Did Microsoft learn absolutely nothing when they did not have a public beta for Halo 2? That game was possibly one of the buggiest multiplayer experiences in the history of Xbox. Now we are going to have to wait for an update 6 months after the release.
And chasing the COD model of multiplayer is a huge fucking mistake. Halo fans do not want something similar to COD, we play the game because its unique to itself. What a sad day.
And chasing the COD model of multiplayer is a huge fucking mistake. Halo fans do not want something similar to COD, we play the game because its unique to itself. What a sad day.
GodfatherX
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did we ever get confirmation that the journalist that played this werent able to capture their own footage?
Yet the two games with the public betas were nowhere near as fun as Halo 2. Besides, this isn't being developed in nine months like Halo 2 was.
GodfatherX
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CreateNowSleepLater
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Loadouts: Check
Sprint: Check
Perks: Check
If you didnt know what thread you were reading what game would you think I was talking about. Get that perk shit out of my Halo. People play Halo for skill, you can jump right in and most of the time not have to deal with some perked up asshole who isnt much better than you but has the time to play all day and night. This is why I dont play COD.
I know are saying wait until we read about the perks but you all know there is no way to do perks well. Crysis 2 might have had legs if it wasnt COD future.
Sprint: Check
Perks: Check
If you didnt know what thread you were reading what game would you think I was talking about. Get that perk shit out of my Halo. People play Halo for skill, you can jump right in and most of the time not have to deal with some perked up asshole who isnt much better than you but has the time to play all day and night. This is why I dont play COD.
I know are saying wait until we read about the perks but you all know there is no way to do perks well. Crysis 2 might have had legs if it wasnt COD future.
No beta? This is disappointing.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out-
There seems to be some sort of truth to armor abilities, or armor being more than cosmetic going by this shot.
I think there will be "equipment" like in Halo 3. If you look at the bit where the player is sprinting there's no notification that he actually HAS sprint. So, either:
A. There's a gametype that enables armor abilities
B. You can pick up equipment as well as use standard sprint along side.
Interesting.
les papillons sexuels
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agreed, my hype has been killed a lot now that i've seen sprinting. A spartan should never lower his gun, he should be running full tilt while having near perfect aim almost all the time.
They said they wanted to make master chief feel like a supersoldier, well start by making sure you never have to look down a sight or press a button to spint.
GodfatherX
Member
not to derail from the perks/unlocks/AA talk...but just wanted to say I really like the art style of what was shown
Kit Airwave
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Ranking would be great please.
Foxy Fox 39
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Please tell me credits are gone. So much work for so few credits. Really took the fun out of the game.
Credits are only fun when you can constantly buy things even if the cooler things are super expensive.
Reach it was like: Play for 30 hours: Buy 1 item. Play for 60: Buy another item.
Such a bad system. Hopefully they stick to rank. The more you rank up, the more things unlock.
Credits are only fun when you can constantly buy things even if the cooler things are super expensive.
Reach it was like: Play for 30 hours: Buy 1 item. Play for 60: Buy another item.
Such a bad system. Hopefully they stick to rank. The more you rank up, the more things unlock.
GodfatherX
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credits werent bad, just very unbalanced on both the cost of items and how much you could get for a match
Devolution
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They haven't talked about player rankings or progression yet as far as I know.
Syphon Filter
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The chief armor color and material is better than Halo 3. I always felt the chief looked kind of plastic and shiny in Halo 3,anyone agree?
i nerini del buio
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That's because the investment system is intended to be long term. IMO it doesn't work, it's not gratifying. They should have just gone fully the CoD way and put multiple prestiges in.
GodfatherX
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bump/normal mapping issues, he looked fine in the reveal trailer but in game I can see what your talking about
Should be added into the thread title like "No Riddler" in the The Dark Knight Rises thread in the OT.
les papillons sexuels
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regardless of what they are or what they get called, it's been said they change gameplay.
Unless they're powerups like in halo 1-3, ie you find them in the match, and everyone still starts out on a base playing field, i wont be happy.
Foxy Fox 39
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I actually like the idea of perks/customization.
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but I think sprint should be a base player trait like jumping.
CreateNowSleepLater
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This. and no Beta? dont they learn?
Devolution
Member
Stop going chicken little and wait to hear about just what the hell they are, this is why I can't stand talking about games.
At least give them the chance to explain what this system is before prematurely jumping all over them based on poor wording from an attention-whoring article. There's skepticism, which is fine, then there's this. You've already got an employee in here saying they won't 'cock up the basics' with whatever it ends up being.
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