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Hat in Time releases in 2 days, yet JonTron still seems to be in the game
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Poltergust
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While this facet alone isn't enough to dissuade me from the game, I can't help but be extremely disappointed in the developers for not doing the right thing.
Hopefully this is a lesson for the developers to only associate with people who they actually know are good people. This whole situation would not have occurred had that not included JonTron in the game in the first place.
Hopefully this is a lesson for the developers to only associate with people who they actually know are good people. This whole situation would not have occurred had that not included JonTron in the game in the first place.
Regardless of whether it's their responsibility or not, if they don't want to be associated with JonTron, they should denounce him. Like, if someone at my workplace turned out to be a Neo-Nazi, whenever he comes up in an anecdote or something I'm going make sure that people know that I had no idea. I really wouldn't want people to associating me with them, so the very least I couldn't do is make that clear.
Similarly, if Gears for Breakfast really has an interest in making people know that they aren't supporting white supremacy, the least they can do is say that they don't. It's in their interest and it doesn't take whole lot of effort.
Similarly, if Gears for Breakfast really has an interest in making people know that they aren't supporting white supremacy, the least they can do is say that they don't. It's in their interest and it doesn't take whole lot of effort.
We know that they're perfectly ok with Jontron being used for the marketing of their project because and after Jontron put on a brown shirt.
They are currently in a business relationship with someone that is unapologetically a neonazi.
They've been asked before about it and they choose to maintain radio silence.
They either don't care or are perfectly ok with it, this is what we know from their marketing.
Behind closed door they may be find Jontron appalling but they haven't even said that so we absolutely can't tell if they view that's guy's view in a bad light at all so it's unfair to take that position for them.
They won't get a pass because they might have "wanted to vote for Obama a third time if [they] could".
I'm talking with Vines. And he/she most certainly did.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=250759079#post250759079
Kinda stupid to group all upcoming indies with that, isn't it? Especially since not even the guys at Gears for Breakfeast are. (well, apparently, since the lead dev openly condemns Trump)
...Why do you have to be comfortable with how Vines feels about their hobby?
Depends how good the game is. If the devs sought them out after knowing they're huge pieces of shit and were huge fans of that person's beliefs, then no. Otherwise it would depend on how the game is. Don't think this situation compares to either since both are well known pieces of shit, and it's only recently (less than 6 months) that we knew Jontron was a bigot piece of shit.
An example of this is seeing Batman vs Superman despite the movie hiring Nancy Grace to be in it.
...? I'm just pointing out that there isn't a new wave of edgelords, alt right devs. It's wrong information. People can read that and think it's true. It isn't.
Your interpretation must be terrible if you thought 'i'm not comfortable with you grouping out all upcoming indies to be alt-right, neonazis, etc) was 'i'm not comfortable with how you feel about your hobby'.
Yep. They've had months to remove the audio files for the character and just make that character text-only, at the very least. But yeah game development is so hard so at the very least we can expect a tweet or Facebook post saying "The views of Jon Jafari etc etc" but apparently even saying you don't think ethnic cleansing is cool is too much to ask for
Poltergust
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Another example I can think of is James Woods, but at least that guy has talent and is the de facto voice of Hades.
JonTron is replaceable. Even if he wasn't, the developers could've at least separated themselves from him instead of remaining silent on the matter.
I think everyone is extremely harsh towards Jon on this, he's a quality comedian who has a view and opinion different than your own, and suddenly everyone hates the man they all loved and went to for good quality content.
His views are not even extreme everyone needs to stop being such delicate little flowers and enjoy the damn game.
His views are not even extreme everyone needs to stop being such delicate little flowers and enjoy the damn game.
Low quality bait
Post from your real account next time
Hoo boy.
I get it, and I won't go on about it again, really. Ultimately I just don't think it's fair for explicit denouncement to be required to avoid implicit approval in this particular case. I would appreciate it of course, and I don't begrudge anyone else for wanting it, or for avoiding the game because of a lack of it.
But, I think of all of that as more of a side-eye sort of thing, whereas saying something like "they are tacitly endorsing JonTron's views," I just don't agree with that.
His views are that non-whites are diluting the gene pool, so this has to be sarcasm.
ãInaba Residentã
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"We've gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries"
Finale Fireworker
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What a waste of a good username.
WrenchNinja
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Why is this username wasted on a stupid alt? Metroid fans, you be slippin'
Bans for junior are permanent.
I would suggest going this way if you intend on staying longer than 4-5 months.
It's so easy and painless to make a statement that even says nothing like Nintendo and its BS "we don't do politics" that saying nothing at all in the face of what is basically the face of their project they slaved away for years on is tacitely endorsing it.
Trump went "both sides" on us instead of outright shitting on the neonazis, it says everything we need to know about him endorsing these people.
CannonFodder52
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Anyone actually defending Jon is so blatantly in the wrong. Even the users on KIA and Kiwi Farms accept that he went neo-nazi. You're literally worse than those people.
I also don't understand why people get off on trolling with an alt account.
I also don't understand why people get off on trolling with an alt account.
Professor Lexicovermis
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I just watched Haedox's Hat in Time video and a line from it really bugged me. When discussing how Jontron is still in Hat and Time and not Yooka-Laylee, he states it's almost as if it would be a really bad business decision to remove a popular Youtuber so close to launch.
Can't say agree with that. Playtonic did the right thing removing Jontron and they caught hell for it, mixed reviews aside.
Can't say agree with that. Playtonic did the right thing removing Jontron and they caught hell for it, mixed reviews aside.
Actually, if you have seen the behavior of the metroid fandom in here, they deserve a burner account snatching this name.
Chopper Dave
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People only need one simple reason to make the conscious decision to not buy a game. It looks too easy or too derivative or it costs too much may spark differing opinions but not often does it result in the punishing the devs narrative. Let the company's questionable stance in regard to a white supremacist be a valid reason for a person to say I don't want this as it would for any other reason.
enixbelmont
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He's pretty much an asshole but he's just a voice actor as far as I know. He didn't write his own lines, right? His voice is pretty harmless. It's their choice to remove it or keep it, I don't see the big deal, I doubt you are actually contributing to him in any way.
If he gets a part in a sequel it's worth complaining about but this was recorded(afaik, again) way before people knew jontrons beliefs at all
If he gets a part in a sequel it's worth complaining about but this was recorded(afaik, again) way before people knew jontrons beliefs at all
Claude Augario
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That's exactly what I thought.
Messofanego
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Jontron's white supremacy came out in March 2017. That's 6 months time in which if Gears For Breakfast cared about removing such a person's voice from their game, they could.
SomedayTheFire
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Well that's a different thread, I was responding to what was posted in this thread.
They had months to remove him and record the lines with a new voice actor. The developers intentionally remained silent on the issue and kept ignoring inquiries about his role.
This game has been in development a really long time; it's a shame they tripped over an idiot like Jontron just as they crossed the finish line. Hard to say if they have contractual obligations to fulfill or are just hoping for this whole mess to blow over. Either way, I won't support a game that I know features a white supremacist.
ScientificPizza
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The fact that we have moved on so quickly from Jons *insane* and blatant white nationalism rants to is this really that important? is fucking wild
Yes its really that important. What Jon said and how and why he said it is some of the most ignorantly and blatantly hateful stuff Ive ever heard. It was *bad* and he doesnt deserve to get work with A N Y O N E
Yes its really that important. What Jon said and how and why he said it is some of the most ignorantly and blatantly hateful stuff Ive ever heard. It was *bad* and he doesnt deserve to get work with A N Y O N E
It'll just be a back and forth at this point so I'll bow out of it since I still disagree with the bolded. But yeah, I do wish they would make a statement.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Haedox is an idiot and has no meaningful insight to offer on anything of substance. He's only slightly better than Josh Thomas
The à¹ÛBronx
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People are defending the featuring of a proud, vocal white supremacist in a game. Not sure whether to laugh or sigh.
"Jon doesn't even have a big role"
So why keep it? He's a celebrity voice... that's a proud racist? Why keep that in? Especially if it's something any member of the dev team could record and pitch up or down in audacity... like... why not? Just silently cut him out?
If jontron like... typed up some code that had no visual impact on the game like the (fired) Google employee I'd get it but like he didn't? He interacts with you in a blatant audiovisual way so idk why he's needed?
So why keep it? He's a celebrity voice... that's a proud racist? Why keep that in? Especially if it's something any member of the dev team could record and pitch up or down in audacity... like... why not? Just silently cut him out?
If jontron like... typed up some code that had no visual impact on the game like the (fired) Google employee I'd get it but like he didn't? He interacts with you in a blatant audiovisual way so idk why he's needed?
NHarmonic.
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The battle is clearly lost when we have people here being apologetic for someone who said minorities dilute the gene pool, unable to see why his input on a game, even if small, contributes to the normalization of toxic gaming culture. And devs backing that shit up...
Chezzymann
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If his views of black people inherently being more violent than white people due to culture they brought over from africa and discrimination not existing aren't extreme then this country is fucked
CannonFodder52
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Only industry where this would happen. Keep him in for 6 months of development. Too afraid to even release a ststmenent about the guy who wants a white ethnostate in their game. Just to appease the racist gamer audience.
It's not, though. Fighting those who would rationalize and normalize tripe like JonTron is part of the battle - perhaps even most of it. History proves that any kind of opposition against what's wrong with humanity need also face spineless people who'd die in the name of the status quo.
Don't lose hope.
SomedayTheFire
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Big fan of a white supremacist. Good look.
Wow. Are you Jon?
Sorry man. If blasting him for his racist views is being too hard on him then I don't know what to tell you.
Spinosaurus
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Yeah this is what I don't get, they could've silently cut him out. I won't blame the devs for not making a statement because of the risks of his shitheads going after them with death threats and doxxing, but couldn't they have just silently remove him? Would anyone notice?
Was it a backer incentive or something?
Professor Lexicovermis
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