except unless they follow him on Twitter, a large majority of them will only know him as the doofus who makes funny faces and yells a lot on youtube. PDP at least said nigger on stream...Jon keeps his bullshit separate from his actual work.
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Hat in Time releases in 2 days, yet JonTron still seems to be in the game
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except unless they follow him on Twitter, a large majority of them will only know him as the doofus who makes funny faces and yells a lot on youtube. PDP at least said nigger on stream...Jon keeps his bullshit separate from his actual work.
Spinosaurus
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I felt really bad for Playtonic because of the harassment they received after that statement though, I wouldn't want that on a smaller team for a small dialog, so I don't blame them for not speaking up on this. But I dunno, leaving us on the dark with this also sucks too. Makes me kinda conflicted on whether I want the game.
Yeah we're being trolledIt's a joke from the Simpsons.
If so, you're really awful at jokes. No one's going to recognize that as a reference to The Simpsons; the joke in The Simpsons is based on the phrase sounding like a threat.
Velcro Fly
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Doing what is right is seldom easy.
Make no mistake that placating the mob to sell more of your game instead of removing this asshole from the game and facing backlash is absolutely repugnant.
It was also funny seeing, after the JonTron debate, a literal Nazi came out to debate Destiny to argue JonTron's point. The guy went through 11 beer cans and Sieg Heiled at the end.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Pragmatism is a principle, one I expounded on at considerable length in that post.
CannonFodder52
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If they had removed Jon the week after Playtonic did, they would have received way less backlash. Playtonic set precedent, and took a lot of damage to do it.
Soul of the Beast
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Controversy aside I really don't understand why would developer hire such a bad voice actor, it's not like he is cheaper or anything.
Seriously, his performance is just bad...
Seriously, his performance is just bad...
CannonFodder52
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He's celebrity endorsement, they originally got him on board to get his audience.
Soul of the Beast
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I would rather hire PewDiePie if that's the goal, JonTron isn't famous at all, I don't even know who he is until just recently.
So you're denying that this is a problem because I cited a game you like. Gotcha.
I may or may not be wrong about Ruiner (I'm basing my assumption entirely on a eurogamer review, and it sounds like you're more informed than I am) but go read The Last Night thread. If you still think there aren't alt-righters infiltrating the space after that, I'm sorry I even had a conversation with you.
Messofanego
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Fans of someone won't just watch the official channel (which has had only three videos in the last nine months for obvious reasons, so they'll be starved for content). Youtube will recommend other content he's been on such as interviews, podcasts, collaborations, etc. And in these, JonTron has laid out his racist beliefs clear as day.
CannonFodder52
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Jontron was famous for playing platformers like Banjo-Kazooie. Hat in Time playerbase has a lot of crossover I guess.
SomedayTheFire
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They did not do that.
Jimnymebob
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JonTron is definitely famous (well, infamous now).
He's produced video content for years, and he was one half of the original Game Grumps duo for a year or so, whose views were regularly around the million mark. He's definitely not a nobody in the gaming community.
considering he has over 2 million followers on twitter, I'm willing to bet there's some overlap
Or you could continue to pretend it doesn't exist or doesn't matter, which is the concept you seem to be hypocritically condescending to.
Imp the Dimp
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A white supremacist US-Iranian whose father would be affected by a Trump travel ban is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen, no kidding.
Kudo
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Yah, especially small indie devs it wouldn't be wise use this as a lever. Sure, it would gain them few supporters but I'd wager the amount of hate it would also attract would be more than that support.
So not taking a side in this or even mentioning it is the wise choice, as they say, "You have to pick your battles wisely".
Just a quick look at Jontrons newest videos make the situation quite clear, with almost 4 Million views and dislikes nowhere to been seen, it's not the hill they should get on. Sure, I'll applaud them if they take a stance but as it's a game I really want to succeed so I just hope they don't, might be selfish and backwards to think that but alas.
How About No
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Boy you should have seen some of him during his Game Grumps days. The things Arin had to bleep out constantly because Jon wouldn't stop
But yeah art from artist whatevs just because he manages to be quiet most of the time
LucidMomentum
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I remember people hated Arin for Jon leaving but nowadays I think he made a good choice.
*EDIT* I mean Arin letting John leave, to clarify.
Iran has always been the Persian name for Iran. Persia comes from the Greeks.
BUST A CAP ON THAT
Actually, if you came here hoping to see the N word,
my bad but you won't find it, instead, have a little quote about the developing process of the first Kirby game;
The first game in the Kirby series, Kirby's Dream Land for the original Game Boy, was released in Japan in April 1992 and later in the United States in August that year.
A simple game, consisting of only five levels, it introduced the main protagonist Kirby, main antagonist King Dedede, and Kirby's ability to inhale enemies and objects.
The game features a second adventure, known as the "Extra Game", which features stronger enemies. The North American box art showed a white Kirby, although the Japanese box art had the correct pink coloring.
my bad but you won't find it, instead, have a little quote about the developing process of the first Kirby game;
The first game in the Kirby series, Kirby's Dream Land for the original Game Boy, was released in Japan in April 1992 and later in the United States in August that year.
A simple game, consisting of only five levels, it introduced the main protagonist Kirby, main antagonist King Dedede, and Kirby's ability to inhale enemies and objects.
The game features a second adventure, known as the "Extra Game", which features stronger enemies. The North American box art showed a white Kirby, although the Japanese box art had the correct pink coloring.
Don't make it sound like greed. You don't know just what kind of backlash they could expect to get and how hard it might hit them financially. Developing and releasing a game is always a huge gamble, and it isn't an exaggeration to say there are likely a number of people whose livelihood are dependent on this game performing when it comes out.
To call it repugnant to want to avoid that potential controversy (which we aren't even sure they're doing) under those circumstances is gross, and foregoes any consideration to the actual situation the developers are in. And that's all without pointing out the fact that not making a statement about it still doesn't really do anything in regards to emboldening or legitimizing JonTron or his views. It's ridiculous that some people are saying that by not making a statement they are tacitly approving of the shit Jon has spewed.
I've said earlier I do wish they would make a statement, but I certainly don't begrudge them if they don't.
CannonFodder52
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I wish all the Youtubers popular with the kids, were uh, good people, or at least okay people.
Waddle Dee
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Bless you.
By the way, is that character in your avatar something you drew? I'm wondering since I saw you have a different avatar that also had that character in it. Good drawings if so.
By not saying anything they are loudly proclaiming that they have nothing to say about it and that they don't view Jontron's view as something worthy of being denouncing.
Basically they either agree with his views or don't find it offensive enough to come out against it.
Inaction is also an action.
If you do not denounce something people find vile it's clear where you stand and your silence speaks volume.
Waddle Dee
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To be fair, there seems to be quite a few that are, but a lot of the most popular ones clearly aren't.
I'd hate to be a responsible parent in this day and age. Imagine having to monitor everything your kids sees on Youtube in fear that they may stumble upon shit like Jontron?
Velcro Fly
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Releasing a game being hard is not an excuse to be complicit in his beliefs. Sorry. It sucks for them but shit happens and you need to be prepared to not compromise who you are as a person to make things easier on yourself.
Waddle Dee
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Aw, that's cute. Very excited for Odyssey! I'm thankful that I don't need to rely on A Hat in Time for my 3D platforming fix and can safely wait that one out.
I disagree, and I don't think there's any onus on them. You're not guilty by association because you worked with someone that everyone thought was fine at the time, and then choose not to engage with the issue when it comes up later. If this came up 2 years after the game had already come out, my thought wouldn't be, "Hey, they released a game 2 years ago with JonTron in it, they probably support what he says because they haven't denounced it." I feel the same way now even if the game hasn't released yet.
As far as I'm concerned, JonTron has obviously outed himself as a racist, and the status of the Hat in Time devs is that they unknowingly worked with a racist. That's it. There's no shitty until proven innocent. It's just unknown what they think*, same as it would've been if none of this had happened in the first place.
*Although they apparently posted anti-Trump stuff on their Twitter according to some other poster.
In no way does working with someone that was unknowingly a racist and then not offering comment when the world finds out they were a racist make someone complicit in that person's beliefs, lol. Obviously people are free to make whatever inferences they want if it makes them feel suspicious of the whole thing, but you're making it sound like there is implicit support unless there's explicit disapproval. I don't agree with that.
SAME! One Up Girls over any hat any time!
Cheezeman3000
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I agree with those who are asking if you guys background check every dev on every game you play? I'm pretty sure, statistically, up to 50% of the devs working on your games *gasp* disagree with your politics.
It's one thing if they're actively promoting JonTron's presence and supporting his views, but I've seen nothing like that.
This looks like a great game by a great dev team, let's put down the pitchforks and just enjoy it.
It's one thing if they're actively promoting JonTron's presence and supporting his views, but I've seen nothing like that.
This looks like a great game by a great dev team, let's put down the pitchforks and just enjoy it.
Waddle Dee
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1. Do you normally describe people who talk about cleansing the gene pool with sarcastic gasps? Because I'm going to make some assumptions about you if you do.
2. More than 50% of the devs working on their games are not well known, and not attempting to spread white supremacist views through the channels that have become available by their popularity.
Professor Beef
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Jon's personality IS his work. Everything he does is based around what his personality is.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231957847&postcount=1442 Valid viewpoints, baby! WOOOOO!
WrenchNinja
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The game isnt out, they've known about this since March, they don't get to play coy, sorry.
Also gotta love that normalization of white nationalism as "just a different political opinion." Gaming culture was a fucking mistake.
SatelliteOfLove
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Is he going to back the game any further than this? I don't know if him or his ilk would attack this if they removed it.
You're not supposed to dash so quickly with the last paragraph like that without setting up the distraction well enough first. Oh well, gotta learn somwhere!
You're not supposed to dash so quickly with the last paragraph like that without setting up the distraction well enough first. Oh well, gotta learn somwhere!
It's not about playing coy, there's just no obligation and they aren't complicit in his beliefs just because they don't go out of their way to denounce it. It would be a different matter if he was hired while knowing at the time what was up with him. Would it be nicer if they made a statement? I think so, and would appreciate the clarification. Is everyone free to avoid the game because it makes them uneasy? Yes, obviously. I think that it's silly that folks are so upset in this thread over people avoiding the game for this. But I don't think it's fair to paint them with the same brush just because they haven't (yet) denounced JonTron due to their prior association with him.
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