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HBO Talk ‘Confederate’ Controversy, Defends Slave Drama, Not The Way It Was Announced

That's what people are worried about

Why? Is there proof that showing sadistic violence on television encourages more sadistic violence? I would guess Game of Thrones illicites a sympathetic response to abused characters for most people. It'll be interesting to see a proper study on that though.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Why? Is there proof that showing sadistic violence on television encourages more sadistic violence? I would guess Game of Thrones illicites a sympathetic response to abused characters for most people. It'll be interesting to see a proper study on that though.

Because the stuff they added to GoT was often the weakest aspect of the show by and far and in several cases was wantonly gross. If someone like David Simon was handling this show I wouldn't be nearly as apprehensive.
 

Zyae

Member
Theres a difference between being worried that the subject wont be handled with the tact and care it deserves and objecting to it outright as a topic
 

Sunster

Member
Why? Is there proof that showing sadistic violence on television encourages more sadistic violence? I would guess Game of Thrones illicites a sympathetic response to abused characters for most people. It'll be interesting to see a proper study on that though.

maybe black people are tired of being sympathetic characters?
 

Jarmel

Banned
If David Simon (The Wire) was writing and directing this, I might be willing to give it a shot. I have zero faith that the people who made sexposition a well known term will have enough nuance to handle a topic like slavery. These are the people who accidentally had a rape on their show and didn't realize it until after it aired.
 
Because the stuff they added to GoT was often the weakest aspect of the show by and far and in several cases was wantonly gross. If someone like David Simon was handling this show I wouldn't be nearly as apprehensive.

Season 6 and 7 have been great so far and have had great reception. I also happen to agree with this Bustle review (https://www.bustle.com/articles/171...s-became-one-of-the-most-feminist-shows-on-tv) that argues that Game of Thrones is one of the most feminist shows on television.

maybe black people are tired of being sympathetic characters?

Ermm... Why? In a world where a lot of people still worship Confederate soldiers, wouldn't it be a good thing to remind them exactly what kind of world those soldiers were fighting for? This has the potential to be great.
 

royalan

Member
Theres a difference between being worried that the subject wont be handled with the tact and care it deserves and objecting to it outright as a topic
I do both.

I doubt the topic will be handled with care, and it's a pointless fantasy.

I have no interest in journeying into a world where Blacks are still slaves (I mean, what discussion is there? What gray area is there?), created by two white men who think character development means "a pinch more rape."
 

Jarmel

Banned
Besides the fact that this version of the world would be radically different due to the two World Wars, this seems kind of pointless and redundant for HBO. They already have a 'slave' show in Westworld which has social relevance beyond just the parallels to old-time slavery. AI subjugation is probably the closest example to how a modern slavery institute might happen or function. So this just seems stupid from a business perspective too besides the whole "controversy is good" angle.
 
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not just about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Season 6 and 7 have been great so far and have had great reception. I also happen to agree with this Bustle review (https://www.bustle.com/articles/171...s-became-one-of-the-most-feminist-shows-on-tv) that argues that Game of Thrones is one of the most feminist shows on television.

And I think its far from great and its been going down hill for a while now in large part to how the show runners have handled things. As to the one of the most feminist shows on television? Eh not in my opinion.
 

Zyae

Member
I do both.

I doubt the topic will be handled with care, and it's a pointless fantasy.

I have no interest in journeying into a world where Blacks are still slaves (I mean, what discussion is there? What gray area is there?), created by two white men who think character development means "a pinch more rape."

1. How is it pointless? Is all fiction pointless?
2. Rape was a rampant issue in medieval society(it still is) and as such was written into ASOIAF and the Show.'
3. Its an exploratory look at how the country would be of the Confederacy lived on. Alternate history is pretty big right now(King in the High Castle)
 
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.

The Civil War was always about slavery. The right of states to keep black people in bondage. And all the social and economic benefits that befall the slave owning class.
 
I'm glad they're moving through with this. I'm really interested in this show, and I really like fiction that looks at alternate realities - I'm hoping somehow the alternate reality in this show mirrors what Tarantino did with Inglourious Basterds and what Bethesda / MachineWorks are doing with Wolfenstein. And while Django Unchained was not an alternate reality film necessarily, it did feature a superhero (Django) brutally murdering slave owners - and I hope that this occurs as well.

What I don't want to see is the show being more than 3 seasons. If the show is too long, it just won't work in my opinion. They need the main characters to quickly dismantle modern day slavery and work towards a swift brutal/violent end to slave owners, like Django did.

I'm of the belief that the villains need some tenure of advantage before pivoting back to the protagonists. But what's the best balancing act? I think of the Empire Strikes Back -- this notion of hopelessness, but with hints that this tide will turn at some point. It's what I'm really hoping that the makers of Handmaid's Tale will do at some point in the future.
 

Jarmel

Banned
So I was curious if there had been any books that had tackled a similar subject or approach and was wondering how they tackled WW1. Turns out Churchill wrote alt history in his spare time and wrote up a scenario where WW1 didn't happen. I feel like WW1 can't happen otherwise it inevitably leads to WW2 with the likelihood of the Axis winning.

http://www.historynet.com/churchill-imagines-how-the-south-won-the-civil-war.htm said:
Churchill’s imagination didn’t stop there. When tensions arose between the North and the South, he wrote, Lee created a diversion by sending the Confederate army to conquer Mexico in three years of bloody guerrilla war. At the turn of the 20th century, affairs beyond the oceans began to present graver threats. In his fable, Churchill explains how Prime Minister Arthur Balfour and President Theodore Roosevelt met to discuss a moral and psychological union. Once President Woodrow Wilson of the Confederacy joined the effort, “this august triumvirate” agreed to the Covenant of the English-Speaking Association on Christmas Day 1905.

The association adopted peace and international disarmament as its cause. But its voice was unheeded as the European powers began to mobilize for war in 1914. Calling for peace, it urged all nations to halt their armies at least 10 miles from their borders. If they did not, the association would consider itself “ipso facto at war with any power…whose troops invaded the territory of its neighbor.”

The combined influence of Britain and America brought breathing space to Europe. The armies backed away. Thus World War I—which “might well have led to the loss of many millions of lives, and to the destruction of capital that twenty years of toil, thrift and privation could not have replaced”—never came to pass.

The writers are going to have to take some weird angle like this, which allows for a second Civil War without a Man in the High Castle scenario occurring.
 
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.

Ken Burns, the director of the critically acclaimed documentary miniseries The Civil War
https://youtu.be/T9fswzDbbMc?t=76
 

Sunster

Member
Season 6 and 7 have been great so far and have had great reception. I also happen to agree with this Bustle review (https://www.bustle.com/articles/171...s-became-one-of-the-most-feminist-shows-on-tv) that argues that Game of Thrones is one of the most feminist shows on television.



Ermm... Why? In a world where a lot of people still worship Confederate soldiers, wouldn't it be a good thing to remind them exactly what kind of world those soldiers were fighting for? This has the potential to be great.

well i don't to speak for black people here but i will say this, we've been reminded before many many times with movies and shows like this and nothing changes. we need a slavery museum before we need another slave drama.
 

rhandino

Banned
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.
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Slavery was the central source of escalating political tension in the 1850s. The Republican Party was determined to prevent any spread of slavery, and many Southern leaders had threatened secession if the Republican candidate, Lincoln, won the 1860 election. After Lincoln won without carrying a single Southern state, many Southern whites felt that disunion had become their only option, because they thought that they were losing representation, which would hamper their ability to promote pro-slavery acts and policies.

Not about slavery tho! Sorry, I meant "immigrant workers"
 
Judging by how these guys handled Ramsey and his vulgarities in GoT (with unabashed glee) I dont fucking trust them at all to do anything other than pornographic, vile depictions of Black people being brutalised.
We already did this in the 70s, it was fucking disgusting then and it wont be any different in 2017.
 
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.

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royalan

Member
OH FUCKING GOD

I just realized.

The Halloween after this show premiers is going to be some FUCKSHIT.

NO

No no no

NO

NO NO

For that reason alone.
 

Lowmelody

Member
Man fuck alt history about things that matter when people don't even know the actual history in the first place. White people need to go to school before we can play fantasy games.
 

KahooTs

Member
I reckon they watched the Handmaid's Tale and got massive hard ons for all the shock hopelessness, violence and depression. Same as they've been open in saying it was the red wedding that made them want to adapt ASOIAF.

Unable to directly co-opt the Handmaid's Tale for themselves as they did with ASOIAF, they've simply thought they'd do the same thing the Handmaid's Tale does but with racism instead of sexism. And it'd allow for even more controversial shock violence, double win. This shit is the result.
 
I don't think realize how hard this show is going to be to write.

The Handmaid's Tale takes place in the near future so, the backstory for that is relatively compact.

The Man in High Castle is period piece set in sixties, so there's only 15 years of post WWII lore that needed to be written.

For Confederate they have to write 152 years of alternate world history. They have to write 152 years of world history without a United States of America.

I also think that they are SEVERELY underestimating the impact of Black Culture and innovation on America and the rest of the world. There is no "American Culture" without "Black Culture".
 

Sunster

Member
Man fuck alt history about things that matter when people don't even know the actual history in the first place. White people need to go to school before we can play fantasy games.

it's barely taught in school. we need to do what germany did.
 
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.

Ignorance at its finest.
 
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've read all year.
 
I don't think realize how hard this show is going to write.

The Handmaid's Tale takes place in the near future so, the backstory for that is relatively compact.

The Man in High Castle is period piece set in sixties, so there's only 15 years of post WWII lore that needed to be written.

For Confederate they have to write 152 years of alternate world history. They have to write 152 years of world history without a United States of America.

I also think that they are SEVERELY underestimating the impact of Black Culture and innovation on America and the rest of the world. There is no "American Culture" without "Black Culture".
Im sure they can find plenty of inspiration revisiting the Amerikkkan south as it was 50 years ago.
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LionPride

Banned
I am curious what time era this will take place. Technically the Civil War was not about slavery it was about how the South wanted to leave the Union and be their own country. Could you imagine the impact on WW1 and WW2 if that would of happended? There are way more variables that just slavery to this.
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poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
A show in which the African slaves free themselves is way less problematic and way more interesting.
If you can somehow sidestep the minefield of basically blaming blacks for living in slavery for as long as they did. It's like writing a holocaust movie where the Jews don't go into the gas chambers and instead fight back against the guards and prevent the holocuast. The implication is pretty disgusting.
 

Heroman

Banned
If you can somehow sidestep the minefield of basically blaming blacks for living in slavery for as long as they did. It's like writing a holocaust movie where the Jews don't go into the gas chambers and instead fight back against the guards and prevent the holocuast. The implication is pretty disgusting.
Yeah, I'm pretty that not going to be a problem.
 
I don't know if this was posted, but has anyone here seen The Confederate States of America? It was a mockumentary of how the Confederacy won the Civil War and make slavery legal.

Are the producers expecting this to be like The Man in the High Castle?
 
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