Better than being stuck with it, no?
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helo
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Better than being stuck with it, no?
EmptySpace
Banned
TheRealTalker
Banned
digital re-sell/ trade in sounds great....
yet how does that work... what the difference between a used digital game and a new one
unlike a physical copy a digital copy is just software how can it be used at all?
yet how does that work... what the difference between a used digital game and a new one
unlike a physical copy a digital copy is just software how can it be used at all?
Uno Venova
Banned
Heh.
Graphics Horse
Member
They should overlay dust and scratches on the screen.
But the Instagram generation would probably prefer that.
HiredN00bs
Member
If there were imposed limitations, such as a limited number of resales, a digital copy's value would degrade over time.
SolsticeZero
Banned
That's just the thing. There is no difference. They would probably take away the term "used". It would be just "in stock". One price for new and traded in digital games.
What's there to get? He drops insider information which is usually correct.
I don't think it's in the power of the platform holder to allow something like that without publisher agreement. But it should be possible for the games published by MS, Sony etc...
Impeccable
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Samurai_Heart
Member
I understood it fully this time =D
TheRealTalker
Banned
lol thats harsh
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okay so its just the available amount of downloads at the time... so its a server issue not a software being inferior issue... makes sense just as long as you get the game cheaper I'm all for it
CitizenCope
Member
So this guy is useless after 11/15 no?
PoweredBySoy
Banned
An apology followed by telling Reddit to go fuck themselves.
His power is waning.
His power is waning.
A painful fart may shake the buttocks but it does not break them.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Is he Balmer?
I'm casting doubt on it. I think this is going to be like Family Sharing where they claim they're going to do all this stuff but they obviously haven't thought it through and have no idea how they would or could.
gaming_noob
Member
I can see high potential in digital resales...but it doesn't sound too different than Games on Demand. If you sell your game you basically paid a small fee to rent it to play. I think MS is too focused on creating policies this Next gen than new IPs...
Chuckled way more than i should.
Nightengale
Member
Even if they've figured it out, the biggest elephant in the room is convincing the publishers to nod their head on it.
Even Origin's 'refund' is only applicable to EA-published titles only.
3rdamention
Member
It was just a survey. IF the digital second hand marketplace EVER happens, it will be way down the road, not a launch feature.
Allowing players to buy "used" digital games makes no sense at all, not for MS and not for the publishers. However a system where they only allow you to sell back your game, without it being sold to anyone else, that could make a lot of sense for everyone. Both MS and the publishers make far more money from a digital sale than a physical one so it is in their best interests to get more people to buy digital. Allowing resales would go a long way towards that and would benefit both even if they have to split the cost of buying back the game. Especially since the money is store credit that will be used to buy new games.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Like many others, I just can't wrap my head around how a marketplace can operate with "used" and "new" digital copies occupying the same space for different prices despite being identical products. Perhaps a new form of online pass? Or MS/Pubs control used prices rather than it being left up to peer to peer dealings?
If this comes to fruition, I'll be very interested to know how they solved it.
I've thought about the idea of "selling back" your digital game to the publisher and it still didn't make sense to me. Essentially, the consumer is giving up his/her right to play the game, which holds no value for the publisher (if the game has DLC, it's negative value) so why would the publisher offer any money to that consumer? If it's to encourage them to buy more new games, then that could be accomplished more simply, by slightly lowering the price on new games.
Maybe the "selling back" method would be more efficient, though, because it would be specific to certain users and not a price drop for software across the board. Maybe it's a more plausible idea than I thought.
If this comes to fruition, I'll be very interested to know how they solved it.
I've thought about the idea of "selling back" your digital game to the publisher and it still didn't make sense to me. Essentially, the consumer is giving up his/her right to play the game, which holds no value for the publisher (if the game has DLC, it's negative value) so why would the publisher offer any money to that consumer? If it's to encourage them to buy more new games, then that could be accomplished more simply, by slightly lowering the price on new games.
Maybe the "selling back" method would be more efficient, though, because it would be specific to certain users and not a price drop for software across the board. Maybe it's a more plausible idea than I thought.
Sloane_Ranger
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Just woke up and saw all the crazy buttocks goodness. Thank you CBOAT!
Big Takeover
Member
I think the seemingly unnecessary complexity of making it peer-to-peer is a direct result of the EU used software ruling. I'm not sure a direct trade-in sytem with MS/Sony would satisfy those laws.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Digital game resale would be a game-changer, just huge. So huge I'd switch my pre-order to X1 if they officially announced it before launch with all the specific details and fine print. That's like a dream feature.
ptuck874
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SentryDown
Member
If MS really includes digital resale, I'm not sure developers will be ok with it, even if they got a percentage on the trade
Sidewinder
Member
yes!
lol, perfect!
The publisher gets 70% from a digital sale and something like 40-45%(?) on a physical sale. If they split the buyback fee with MS then they are still ahead, and not every game will be sold back. Also this would reduce the used physical market which means there would be a significant net gain for publishers.
CBOAT, just curious -- why do you continue to make your posts so hard to read? Is it in hopes of not attracting your employer, Microsoft (I'm thinking this is your employer), or Sony?
Given that you have basically reached celebrity status on this forum, isn't it kind of silly to keep doing that? I'm sure lots of important people in the industry are well aware of your threads by now...
Given that you have basically reached celebrity status on this forum, isn't it kind of silly to keep doing that? I'm sure lots of important people in the industry are well aware of your threads by now...
SolsticeZero
Banned
In a perfect world, we would all speak CBOAT
NinjaCarrot
Member
OMG I died.
Calling it used game sales is just PR speak.
What this system would boil down to is the publisher/MS paying you to give up your digital license. I believe this would be feasible, and I wouldn't be shocked if it is just a credit that has to be redeemed at the MS store. This seems like a win-win.
What I don't think is feasible is having two price points for the same digital item existing in the marketplace. I just don't see when it comes time to implement this that publishers would agree to sell a game for less than they are selling it already digitally. The fact that is a "used sale" is just meaningless for digital sales.
What this system would boil down to is the publisher/MS paying you to give up your digital license. I believe this would be feasible, and I wouldn't be shocked if it is just a credit that has to be redeemed at the MS store. This seems like a win-win.
What I don't think is feasible is having two price points for the same digital item existing in the marketplace. I just don't see when it comes time to implement this that publishers would agree to sell a game for less than they are selling it already digitally. The fact that is a "used sale" is just meaningless for digital sales.
Haunted
Member
cboat is probably one of the most consistent inside sources posting publically (i.e. not disclosing his information to gaming journalists, but directly to the gamers) we've ever had in this industry.
Doing work.
Doing work.
Yeah, but they can't tell who it is. That's the point.
Dorimukyasuto
Member
cboat is probably one of the most consistent inside sources posting publically (i.e. not disclosing his information to gaming journalists, but directly to the gamers) we've ever had in this industry.
Doing work.
Couldn't he also just do it imageboard style and type it all out in paint and save it as a .jpg?
I would hope from account to account. You put your game up for sale, negotiate a price with a buyer, buyer pays via XBL - you get a credit to your account minus a percentage for the transaction.
Think eBay. If nobody is selling a used copy of Game X - Game X is only available online as new.
Simplest and fairest way to handle it, IMO.