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I've seen dumb threads but this one takes the cake, at least for this year.
Even as a troll thread it isn't good.
Even as a troll thread it isn't good.
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"Holy...80 gigs??"
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exmachina64
Banned
He's not trolling.
MillionStabs
Banned
It's not about hard drive space, it's bandwidth.
When EVERYONE has UNLIMITED bandwidth and a reasonable download speed, then you can release an 80+GB digital only game. Not a moment before.
When EVERYONE has UNLIMITED bandwidth and a reasonable download speed, then you can release an 80+GB digital only game. Not a moment before.
Damn that sucks. Just come to The Netherlands.
I always see people from the rest of Europe and the US posting these insane speeds, in the UK I think only one provider even goes above 75mb and that's pretty limited where you can get it
I'm on the outskirts of London and I can't get faster than 35mb/s
Strangelove77
Member
Yeah, no.
I disagree with...all of it. Everything.
I disagree with...all of it. Everything.
Corronchilejano
Member
When I was little I always thought that the most amazing games needed multiple discs. Now I salute those able to make the best games with the smallest size possible.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
I'm not sure what "am crey" is supposed to mean, but my Uverse is pretty good...
Still not a fan of unnecessarily-large game downloads though
Seriously...... what the hell man. I waited more than a decade just to get my speeds up to 35mbps from the 4mbps it was before.
Nose Master
Member
I'm uh, indifferent. Giant file sizes just tells me they're sloppy, tbh.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
hemo memo
Member
That's 20 years away if not more.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I will give this game a pass only because I'm assuming that there will be texture work specifically for 4k resolutions.
Otherwise, yeah.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
This perfectly sums up the issue...
http://gizmodo.com/why-americas-internet-is-so-shitty-and-slow-1686173744
I read about all kinds of things when joining IT, this does a nice job of summarizing.
White Wolf
Member
well, i wouldn't say i actually prefer big sized games for no particular reason, but i have a 2tb hdd that i use for games, so at the moment even 80gb games are no problem for me.
i can also download games pretty quickly (200mbits/25mbyte), and I never leave games on my hdd after i'm done playing them (unless it's multiplayer).
i can also download games pretty quickly (200mbits/25mbyte), and I never leave games on my hdd after i'm done playing them (unless it's multiplayer).
spons
Gold Member
Damn that sucks. Just come to The Netherlands.
That's available in like... 15% of the entire country? About one million households on 7 million total. 85% is stuck with cable and VDSL.
He lives in the heart of AT&T, he can get fiber directly to his house out there I'm sure.
disappeared
Banned
If only I had an internet connection better than ~2mb/second.
Are we headed back to multi-disc physical releases?
Are we headed back to multi-disc physical releases?
bobbychalkers
Member
80 gigs is pretty much a permanent turnoff for me. Size =/= quality. There are already too many middling games that demand too much space and bandwidth.
Octavianus
Banned
my poor 120gb ssd.
Threads like this always remind me that just 15 blocks away there is gigabit fiber, but they're only expanding in the opposite direction for now. It's such a tease. At least the competition keeps my Comcast stable and unlimited which can't be said for a lot of the country right now.
Chronospherics
Member
For the most part, the smaller the game is the better. I'm always pleased when I download some indy game and it's only 300mb.
Sometimes file sizes can be an indication of compressed audio and video which is always a bummer though. So when the Uncharted collection was only 50GB or so, that was disappointing as it meant that all the video and audio squeezed onto the original blu-rays was compressed and that sucks.
Sometimes file sizes can be an indication of compressed audio and video which is always a bummer though. So when the Uncharted collection was only 50GB or so, that was disappointing as it meant that all the video and audio squeezed onto the original blu-rays was compressed and that sucks.
OmegaDL50
Member
Devs opting to use a better compression for one thing. Or use better audio codecs. VORBIS sounds just as good as ADPCM if not better and is a fraction of the size.
Then if the game uses CGI then opt to use the in-engine renderer for cutscenes instead. There is multiple methods developers can employ to mitigate the size of the game bloating up while providing the same level of experience without impacting the user to need to use a larger storage medium.
Regginator
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How do people get that transparent Ookla speedtest? Going to their site only gives me the basic desktop one without an option for a transparent one.
edit: Ah, found it
edit: Ah, found it
IdreamofHIME
Member
20 years ago i had friends who judged the quality of a game based on how many discs it shipped on. This is just the natural evolution of that bullshit.
exmachina64
Banned
I'm not sure what "am crey" is supposed to mean, but my Uverse is pretty good...
Still not a fan of unnecessarily-large game downloads though
You know damn well that AT&T doesn't offer gigabit in a lot of markets.
OK, I need to go into Comcast and hand them my internet plan be be all...
Comcast offers 2Gbps plans in some markets, but it's very expensive. In my market, it's $300 per month excluding $1000 in initial fees.
Yep, good summary.
OmegaDL50
Member
Yep. You could have a bloated 35GB game that is comprised of narrow corridors and minimal exploration (FFXIII for example), as opposed to a large sprawling open world game that is only 6GB (Skyrim without expansions, even with the add-ons it's still only 11GB)
Large file sizes being a misconception of the quality of a game is something that should have died years ago.
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I have unlimited fibre so I really don't care how big games are, but my 500GB SSD did winch a little.
Intentional, also I like that the box art is yellow.
Also to be on topic, here's a BEAUTIFUL scene demo which comes in at 64k, or less than 1/1000000th the size of Gears of War 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6ZzJeWgpY
hemo memo
Member
Yes but if it's easier/faster to release it uncompressed so they can meet the deadline, and work on the now standard day 1 patch, then they'll always chose that.
I always see people from the rest of Europe and the US posting these insane speeds, in the UK I think only one provider even goes above 75mb and that's pretty limited where you can get it
I'm on the outskirts of London and I can't get faster than 35mb/s
The UK's internet is a bag of shite. I was positively ecstatic once I moved somewhere that got 2mb/s and an upload speed that was over 20kb/s. A friend lives about 3 miles away from me and still doesn't even get even half decent broadband. It's telling though when your government's initiative for "super fast broadband" means 25mb/s +.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Depends. IF you get FTTP then yeah you will have astounding speeds, but most can only get FTTC which normally gives good to great results depending on your location.
TemplaerDude
Member
You know that file size is not at all indicative of the quality of the product, right OP?
Aces&Eights
Member
That's just ridiculous, though. 300 bucks a month with a grand in set up costs? I pay 55 a month for about 50MB dl. It doesnt cost them anymore money to allow more throughput. Its just letting me get the 1s and 0s faster. Ugh, makes me angry. Once the old farts finally die off in Congress, hopefully, the new generation will get in and make Internet a utility. It's plain greed at this point. Absolutely no reas on to charge someone 300 a month to stream a movie or download large files quickly.
I'm still trying to figure out how the fuck I'm going to pre-load Deus Ex on PC this weekend because I know it'll be 12 hours during which Steam will suck up ALL of my house's bandwidth. Even doing it overnight won't be enough. And I'm still not quite ready to uninstall DOOM from my SSD. American ISPs need to get with the fucking program.
The thing is, every console generation comes with an increase in the data sizes of games, but this is the first time when a lot of people are buying full AAA games digitally. Having to download Final Fantasy VII in its entirety on 1997 internet would've probably been insane too. Until ISPs get with it game publishers need to realize that not everybody has unlimited fiber internet. Hopefully if this wireless fiber shit get's off the ground this won't be as much of a problem.
I have a little bit of hope for Microsoft though. It is releasing a physical PC version of Quantum Break even though that game is 68 gigs. I wish some of them would just start shipping the games on 64GB flash drives or something. I know they're probably still more expensive to manufacture than DVD-ROMs, but would it really be that much more expensive than packing seven DVDs?! At least do it in the limited edition or something.
And the sizes of games themselves have often had little to do with the amount of actual content. Even back in the day when PS1 games were four discs, most of that was just pre-rendered video. It's the same today, a lot of games are big as fuck because of a few 1080p pre-rendered videos. I think Quantum Break handled that by giving people the option to stream the videos. I think devs should just do real time videos more often. Another reason is a lot of games have uncompressed audio in eight languages. Just let me pick which one I want to download.
From what I've seen, a well-compressed 2015-2016 game is probably somewhere between 20 and 30 gigs. Phantom Pain was 20 gigs at launch. The base Witcher 3 game was 20 gigs and with all the DLC and expansions I think it's still under 50. Those are huge games in terms of content, and Witcher 3's assets look amazing. I think the initial download for Watch Dogs is like 14 gigs.
One other thing I've been looking at is repacks -- pirate versions of PC games that have been compressed. They managed to get Quantum Break down to like 35 gigs. The official version of Max Payne 3 on PC is 35 gigs, there are repacks that are 10 gigs. They broke GTA V from 65 gigs down to 27. Rise of the Tomb Raider is 27 gigs on the Microsoft Store. There's a repack that's 13. They probably do all these by compressing the textures or removing all audio languages except one.
The thing is, every console generation comes with an increase in the data sizes of games, but this is the first time when a lot of people are buying full AAA games digitally. Having to download Final Fantasy VII in its entirety on 1997 internet would've probably been insane too. Until ISPs get with it game publishers need to realize that not everybody has unlimited fiber internet. Hopefully if this wireless fiber shit get's off the ground this won't be as much of a problem.
I have a little bit of hope for Microsoft though. It is releasing a physical PC version of Quantum Break even though that game is 68 gigs. I wish some of them would just start shipping the games on 64GB flash drives or something. I know they're probably still more expensive to manufacture than DVD-ROMs, but would it really be that much more expensive than packing seven DVDs?! At least do it in the limited edition or something.
And the sizes of games themselves have often had little to do with the amount of actual content. Even back in the day when PS1 games were four discs, most of that was just pre-rendered video. It's the same today, a lot of games are big as fuck because of a few 1080p pre-rendered videos. I think Quantum Break handled that by giving people the option to stream the videos. I think devs should just do real time videos more often. Another reason is a lot of games have uncompressed audio in eight languages. Just let me pick which one I want to download.
From what I've seen, a well-compressed 2015-2016 game is probably somewhere between 20 and 30 gigs. Phantom Pain was 20 gigs at launch. The base Witcher 3 game was 20 gigs and with all the DLC and expansions I think it's still under 50. Those are huge games in terms of content, and Witcher 3's assets look amazing. I think the initial download for Watch Dogs is like 14 gigs.
One other thing I've been looking at is repacks -- pirate versions of PC games that have been compressed. They managed to get Quantum Break down to like 35 gigs. The official version of Max Payne 3 on PC is 35 gigs, there are repacks that are 10 gigs. They broke GTA V from 65 gigs down to 27. Rise of the Tomb Raider is 27 gigs on the Microsoft Store. There's a repack that's 13. They probably do all these by compressing the textures or removing all audio languages except one.
Caayn
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dr_rus
Member
The issue is that MS was unable to provide an option for the user to decide in which folder he wants to install the stuff from WinStore. This means that I'll have to install it on my SSD and that means that I don't have 80 gigs readily available there. If MS will somehow be able to provide an option of installing WinStore games into a folder of my choosing (note - not the folder of MS choosing on a different drive as they allow at the moment) then it won't be a problem.