Yep, this.
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Hotline Miami 2 launching on March 10
- Thread starter JehutyRunner
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Yep, this.
fluffydelusions
Member
With the map editor can you easily share with other people...anyone know?
SolidChamp
Banned
So this game has co-op on Vita and PS4? Cross-buy also, I'm assuming?
fluffydelusions
Member
No coop in this game afaik.
I don't think so (unless I missed something). There's a mask that lets you control two characters at once, but I don't think there's any co-op.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Steam workshop on PC. Nobody knows on the other platforms.
No co-op. You can control a pair of characters simultaneously, like the Ice Climbers in Smash Bros.
Ninja Kn1ght
Member
My favorite way to play is PC with an Xbox Controller. I liked the Vita version too though.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
I couldn't finish Hotline Miami until it came on the Vita.
That touchlock is too good.
That touchlock is too good.
RowdyReverb
Member
Really? I haven't tried this because I assumed M+KB aiming while moving easier. How does it work with a controller?
Coffee Dog
Banned
Pretty much the same. Your aim is based entirely on the direction your character is facing, and controlled by the rotation of the player character. But instead of rotating your mouse, you rotate the stick. The only real difference is that the rotation motion comes from your thumb with sticks, as opposed to your wrist with mice.
MrFrankFontaine
Banned
Not seeing this on the Vita store for pre-order. Am I missing something?
Not up on PS4 store, either. Was it supposed to be?
There's a button to lock on RB I think and u strafe a lot, works good actually.
Couldn't find it either. Even looked at the web version of the PSN store... nada.
NoSkillz187
Member
Just chiming in, I played PC/Vita version and really fell in love with the game on Vita. The controls are really good and looking ahead by swiping the screen worked really well. Vita all the way for me.
Nope. It's not going to be on PSN until tomorrow when the update happens.
MrFrankFontaine
Banned
There is a pre order discount on steam, but not on PSN. The discount on PSN runs for the first week the game is released for ps+ members.
Nabs
Member
7am pst
Gray Matter
Member
Can't wait for tmrw. My headphones are ready.
Jack Scofield
Member
Whoa, this feels like a stealth release. Any gameplay footage?
The Vita and console controls for Hotline work really well, but I balk at the notion that they're just as good as the keyboard and mouse, and especially wouldn't say that they work just the same way.
A mouse will always be far more accurate for aiming than a stick is, that fact has never been reasonably contested. The Vita has touch lock-on, which is a very innovative feature, but on PC I've never felt I've needed it. I've played the game 80 hours and I don't even know which button the lock-on is. The ability to look further using the shift button also helps to fundamentally differentiate the PC version. On Vita you accomplish looking around the map by dragging the screen. Again, very innovative, but you can't really do this while you're moving around, leading to a less active playstyle if looking around the map factors into how you play the game. On console you can look further while moving, but because the aiming is relegated to a stick instead of a mouse, the reticle always snaps back to your character when it returns to its neutral position. You can use the far-aiming in a more active way than in the Vita version, but it ultimately pales in comparison to the ability to drag the reticle without having it snap back every few seconds.
The vast majority of Hotline speedruns are done on PC, because they couldn't be done the same elsewhere. Everyone has their preferences, but if you're talking about accuracy and efficiency in regards to aiming, sticks can never stand up to a mouse.
A mouse will always be far more accurate for aiming than a stick is, that fact has never been reasonably contested. The Vita has touch lock-on, which is a very innovative feature, but on PC I've never felt I've needed it. I've played the game 80 hours and I don't even know which button the lock-on is. The ability to look further using the shift button also helps to fundamentally differentiate the PC version. On Vita you accomplish looking around the map by dragging the screen. Again, very innovative, but you can't really do this while you're moving around, leading to a less active playstyle if looking around the map factors into how you play the game. On console you can look further while moving, but because the aiming is relegated to a stick instead of a mouse, the reticle always snaps back to your character when it returns to its neutral position. You can use the far-aiming in a more active way than in the Vita version, but it ultimately pales in comparison to the ability to drag the reticle without having it snap back every few seconds.
The vast majority of Hotline speedruns are done on PC, because they couldn't be done the same elsewhere. Everyone has their preferences, but if you're talking about accuracy and efficiency in regards to aiming, sticks can never stand up to a mouse.
Tainted
Member
Unfortunately this didnt work for me (I'm in AU where HM2 is banned)
steam error:
I tried all different payment methods, same error
the black pearl
Member
when can we expect this to be playable on steam
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
As a Vita player, I don't think it's a question that KB/M is more accurate. Some people might not be comfortable with those controls, but mouse precision > stick precision is a fact.
That said, the game lends itself very well to the twin-stick shooter scheme. I'd say you're not missing out on anything by playing on PS4/Vita. Lock-on was never used in my playthrough. I was able to 100% the game and the controls never got in the way. If I had one request, it would be to make the screen scrolling feature be put on the back pad instead of the screen (or both).
That said, the game lends itself very well to the twin-stick shooter scheme. I'd say you're not missing out on anything by playing on PS4/Vita. Lock-on was never used in my playthrough. I was able to 100% the game and the controls never got in the way. If I had one request, it would be to make the screen scrolling feature be put on the back pad instead of the screen (or both).
The Xtortionist
Member
so uh....
where's that OT
where's that OT
Having to lift my hand off other controls to do "look further" was probably the worst thing for me with the Vita version. I guess for pros that memorized all the levels and enemy placements its nbd but I found it to be really annoying.
OLED > my plasma or 144hz monitor though so Vita still winning in that regard. I'm sure everyone will love the game no matter what system they buy it on
DirtyManos
Member
Got the collector's edition, but won't get it till the end of march on 2nd press
Can't wait regardless, just gonna play through it on my brother's ps4 till then
Can't wait regardless, just gonna play through it on my brother's ps4 till then
Coffee Dog
Banned
You are completely right that a mouse is a better tool for aiming than a stick. That isn't in question. The problem is that you don't traditionally "aim" in Hotline; you rotate. And the differences between a sticks ability to rotate and a mouse's ability to rotate are much smaller. This also helps with the "neutral position" problem. Why would you ever allow the stick to return to neutral? You should continually be pressing it in the direction you are intending to face.
DirtyLarry
Member
When Hotline Miami came out I first played it on the PC, loved the visuals and atmosphere, but found the KB&M a little unwieldy and never actually beat it as it was more frustrating then it was not.
Checked it out again on the Vita and beat it in two nights, which is an absolute rarity for me these days with limited time.
Replayed it on the PC with an XBox 360 controller and also beat it there.
Point being this is one game where I personally feel no matter what the platform a controller is just the better input choice.
This of course is just my opinion.
Checked it out again on the Vita and beat it in two nights, which is an absolute rarity for me these days with limited time.
Replayed it on the PC with an XBox 360 controller and also beat it there.
Point being this is one game where I personally feel no matter what the platform a controller is just the better input choice.
This of course is just my opinion.
The Xtortionist
Member
Played the first game mainly on PS3 and was able to platinum it without too much trouble. Game plays fine for me with sticks.
Permanently A
Junior Member
I'm sure theres some wacky VPN stuff you can do, but the devs gave their blessing to you unlucky Aussies:
You do both, actually. When you're not holding shift or the equivalent console button your aiming is based on rotation. Most of what I focused on was the far-aiming, which is actually a lot less about rotation, and more about drawing a mental line between your character and the crosshair to make sure your shots go to a specific part of the screen. If one's playstyle doesn't rely very much on the far-aiming one might not ever have to worry about the aiming differences. Me, I never let go of the shift button.
As for the idea that your right stick should never be in a neutral position, I was talking specifically about far-aiming, which frees your reticle from the circle around your character, therefore introducing the distance of the crosshair into the equation.
You should be able to pick it up from US PSN unless I'm mistaken and they have some wacky geo-blocking bullshit going on
breadtruck
Member
So excited for tomorrow.
If only I had the day off... it will be a long day at the office. haha
If only I had the day off... it will be a long day at the office. haha
I'm sure theres some wacky VPN stuff you can do, but the devs gave their blessing to you unlucky Aussies:
The guys at devolver are pretty amazing people. I've had a chance to talk with them a bit at e3 and they're so welcoming and friendly.
It only works with steam wallet I think.
Instructions for Australians to buy the game on Steam:
1- Go to http://store.steampowered.com/app/274170/?cc=us . Add to cart.
2- Go until the "Payment Method" window appears
3- On a separate page, open http://store.steampowered.com/app/274170/?cc=au
4- Go to the "Payment Method" window again and hit "continue"
5- Complete purchase
Conor_Fool
Banned
Just got out of my night class (9pm here) so stoked to open my new records, as they have been out for delivery since 9am. No sign of them, but tracking still says its estimated delivery is on time for March 9th.
What gives?
What gives?
I'm really kinda nervous about this, no ones claimed it in the thread.
Alright guys, g'night, tomorrow's gonna be a fun-ass day