I'm struggling to think of something that doesn't fall down on one or both counts. Its not like the science behind smoking is controversial, making the claim "less second hand smoke is a good thing" shouldn't be contentious
You have a very naïve view of democracy in the UK. I like your spirit though.Did you even try to find a solution or fight the ban? Or are you just whining after it all happened about how you had no choice? Obviously the people who want bans cared enough to make it happen, I'm guessing at the end of the day the people against the bans didn't care enough to put the effort into stopping them.
They tried to pass a ban in the city I live and the people against it put out the effot and won out so no ban was passed.
Forgive me if I don't faint with gratitude.You can smoke at home or in your car. That seems nice compromise to me.
Again, saying things like "it makes me sick" means you are being prissy, or you're over-exaggerating.
Well I'm not making this up.When I quit smoking last for 10 months I was regularly the DD for my coworkers, since I had lost interest in drinking. Never once did I come home smelling like an ashtray. Never once did my wife complain that I smelled heavily of smoke (and she will complain if I smoke 6 or 7 hours before trying to kiss her...'Hoy, did you smoke?').
Really? You can't think of anything that can have been claimed to have benefit toward society and also had/have public support?
- War on Drugs
- War on Terror
A couple of oldies, but goodies!
- Prohibition
- Segregation
I believe you. I've seen the complaint on GAF more than enough times.Well I'm not making this up. The set of clothes that I wore would reek of smoke.
My girlfriends afro would reek of smoke. Its the truth.
I think if you are a smoker or are commonly around smokers you may get desensitized to it.I believe you. I've seen the complaint on GAF more than enough times.
I totally support the ban on smoking in offices and on public transport. Unquestioningly.
That could be it I suppose. I know that sense of smell is one of the things that begins returning quickly after quitting, but maybe being around still was a reason.I think if you are a smoker or are commonly around smokers you may get desensitized to it.
No, because we're still too close to the non-smokers. There'd be issues with toilets and things. Also, I want a cig and a pint at the same time.
Thing is, I understand how foul smoking is for non-smokers. I have no desire to force myself or my habit on non-smokers. Never have, never would. All I want is for smokers and non-smokers to be able to enjoy themselves and their habits in a bar / pub environment, separately if needs be. I don't mind being segregated in my own pub and I don't mind if non-smokers make exaggerated 'puking' noises as they walk past. I just want a fag and a pint after a long day at work.
I totally support the ban on smoking in offices and on public transport. Unquestioningly.
I have a set of jeans I wore last week that smells like smoke I had to put out on the porch to air it out.Well I'm not making this up.
The set of clothes that I wore would reek of smoke.
My girlfriends afro would reek of smoke. (she was much more upset about this than the clothes)
Its the truth.
And what about the employees of bars and restaurants? For all intents and purposes, the bar is their office.
Why is it okay to force them to inhale cigarette smoke in a restaurant while it's not okay to force me to inhale cigarette smoke in my office?
Someone being fat doesn't mean you have to smell a disgusting smell and risk getting cancer whenever you're near them.
Smoking is 110% a filthy activity and anyone who does it where it forces those who don't smoke to smell/breathe it in are cunts in my eyes.
That might be a tough thing to ask for considering what some may give up under a smoking ban.In this hypothetical, there were smoking bars and non-smoking bars. Don't get a job in a smoking bar if you're bothered about that sort of thing.
Maybe I'll bold this as people keep assuming the opposite: I don't want the smoking ban repealed.
In this hypothetical, there were smoking bars and non-smoking bars. Don't get a job in a smoking bar if you're bothered about that sort of thing.
They could take up smoking?And what about the employees of bars and restaurants?
That might be a tough thing to ask for considering what some may give up under a smoking ban.
Oh man, everything cannot be perfect for everyone all of the time. Case in point, I can't have a fag with my pint. These hypothetical people either take a job they don't really want, or they find alternative means to survive. Just like each and every one of us that wasn't lucky enough to find the 'correct' vocation. I don't want to sit on this uncomfortable chair in this hot office, but I sure do love my wages.What if you're struggling to find a job and can only find one in a smoking bar? Should you be forced to compromise your health for your financial security?
It's not that unrealistic of a scenario these days.
And he claimed that someone being fat doesn't mean you have to smell a disgusting smell.I've met a lot of fatties who'd be much hotter with a smoking habit than a bon bon habit. "B.b.b..b I'm so much healthier gorging myself to death with food than having a couple smokes!" Riiiiiiight.
Oh man, everything cannot be perfect for everyone all of the time. Case in point, I can't have a fag with my pint. These hypothetical people either take a job they don't really want, or they find alternative means to survive. Just like each and every one of us that wasn't lucky enough to find the 'correct' vocation. I don't want to sit on this uncomfortable chair in this hot office, but I sure do love my wages.
I've seen some of those and when they start documenting how the health of the community improves, it's tremendous. Especially when we start considering how much healthcare is gonna eat up our livelihoods, I think people will take another look at it.Actually...I just went to Google Scholar and typed in "smoking ban before after" and got a dozen or so studies demonstrating improvements in everything from health of bar workers to admissions to the hospital for heart disease complications
I can't taste the liquor someone else is drinking.
Oh man, everything cannot be perfect for everyone all of the time. Case in point, I can't have a fag with my pint. These hypothetical people either take a job they don't really want, or they find alternative means to survive. Just like each and every one of us that wasn't lucky enough to find the 'correct' vocation. I don't want to sit on this uncomfortable chair in this hot office, but I sure do love my wages.
Can you remind me of the downsides of a blanket smoking ban? Not being a dick, just want to see your thoughts on it.
No, because we're still too close to the non-smokers. There'd be issues with toilets and things.
Can you remind me of the downsides of a blanket smoking ban? Not being a dick, just want to see your thoughts on it.
Yeah but the poor fuckers might need to carve their way through the smoking room to get to the piss-stinking toilets. That's no good. Plus, the lingering smoke in hallways and passages and stuff. Nah, I understand why non-smokers don't want smokers in the same building.Could you expand on that? Bar toilets smell too much of piss to notice someone smelling like smoke.
Well, in this scenario, we're talking about people who want to venture into social settings -- some of which the desire is to enjoy alcohol -- and not have to be exposed to smoke. So, in this context, yes? I'm honestly confused as to whether or not you think you are demonstrating great rhetorical skill, here.Is drinking necessary?
Could you expand on that? Bar toilets smell too much of piss to notice someone smelling like smoke.
I wouldn't mind it. I could critiqe the bars around here to hell and back, but I still like the bar environment and if I had to work in one, I wouldn't mind.Who wants to work in a place where there is a constant cloud of second degree smoke being blown around your face? Even if you are a smoker I find this hard to believe they would want those working conditions.
That's all I want, yeah. A totally separate bar for smokers. I just want somewhere I can have a pint and a cig in peace.
Sometimes I want a cigarette when I'm drinking. The downside is that I can't.
I find dipping to be about 500 times more disgusting than smoking. There was a guy who sat in front of me in Statistics class in college who dipped. He used the same dip bottle (a Mountain Dew bottle, which you can see into) for an entire week. It was enough to make me want to barf every time he pulled that damn thing out.
Reduced freedom of choice for smokers. It ain't much on balance, which is why I wouldn't repeal the ban entirely. I'd just make it possible for a licensee to apply for a 'smoking' license, just as they need a license to serve alcohol.
Where?Smoking porch? 85% of bars in my town have smoking porches for when people want to drink and smoke, they just have to go outside to a heated patio.
I find dipping to be about 500 times more disgusting than smoking. There was a guy who sat in front of me in Statistics class in college who dipped. He used the same dip bottle (a Mountain Dew bottle, which you can see into) for an entire week. It was enough to make me want to barf every time he pulled that damn thing out.
You allow people to go into bars, restaurants, and clubs, and consume a product - alcohol, that can fuck up and end innocent people's lives hours after consuming it, but you can't allow smoking. The act of people smoking cigarettes typically doesn't start bar fights, cause property damage, or cause someone to hit someone head on in a vehicle.
Smoking porch? 85% of bars in my town have smoking porches for when people want to drink and smoke, they just have to go outside to a heated patio.
Where?
Smoking porch? 85% of bars in my town have smoking porches for when people want to drink and smoke, they just have to go outside to a heated patio.
In a warm country this wouldn't matter really, heated patios and gardens are usually a bit rubbish on the heated part when it's any season other than summer. It's cold and windy and wet and dark outside. I sometimes can't take my drink out with me either. It's purely selfish. I was nice and cosy inside with my drink and a cig, and now I have to go somewhere else to smoke. Maybe I won't get a seat and have to stand.
Not applicable to every place, but some places have this here.
Pussy People go to the heated patio here whether it's +20 or -20 because it's the only 'hip' place with one here.
I said that actually have measurable benefit, not that are claimed to. None of those were actually effective with the possible exception of the second and even that's unlikely.
With that said I'll admit that I'd be interested in looking at a before-after study of a city with smoking bans regardless of what the results ended up being.