I don't think they have the expertise for it. They're a porting studio first and foremost so they probably wouldn't have the designers, artists, etc. needed to develop a full game from scratch.
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How Rise of the Tomb Raider on Xbox One X improves over PS4 Pro - Digital Foundry
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I don't think they have the expertise for it. They're a porting studio first and foremost so they probably wouldn't have the designers, artists, etc. needed to develop a full game from scratch.
rokkerkory
Member
Beasting!! Cant wait to replay it!
Have you got a link to where they measured it and compared it to the PS4 version?
I know you haven't , because they didn't measure it. They never mentioned anything more than it feeling like it had more input lag vs Tomb Raider (2013) on the same console.
Which may well have been the case, but as they didn't measure that in their tech analysis of any Tomb Raider game, who's to say.
Except we have another site that HAS measured it and clearly shows the contrary to what Neogaf said.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
This sounds good, Nixxes is great.
Mr Moose
Member
That's straight from Digital Foundry.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-input-lag-fixed-on-rise-of-the-tomb-raider
This is them talking about it. You are saying they are wrong?
Yes, if you take the figures that NXgamer reported, they are wrong.
They are talking about the PS4 version, which had more input lag than the Xbox version to begin with.
And had more input lag than the Xbox One version even after the patch.
As reported by NXgamer who tested it for each patch .
Also, notice how in the article they have published they aren't actually testing anything, rather they are just reporting on the patch notes.
1.04 said:
PS4 went from 242ms of input lag, to 183.3ms of input lag after 2 patches.
Xbox One was 175ms.
It shouldn't be that difficult to understand
Cyborg
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Mr Moose
Member
Yes, if you take the figures that NXgamer reported, they are wrong.
They are talking about the PS4 version, which had more input lag than the Xbox version to begin with.
And had more input lag than the Xbox One version even after the patch.
As reported by NXgamer who tested it for each patch .
Also, notice how in the article they have published they aren't actually testing anything, rather they are just reporting on the patch notes.
So NX is right and DF are wrong?
Going to go back to this:
I guess we'll have to wait to see if DF make a video about it?
Well, NX has statistics for input lag for various versions of the game on various plaforms. Where are DF's statistics?
You tell me.
For one we have some evidence, for the other we have 3 or 4 separate articles written by 3 different people with no evidence.
That is of course unless for some bizarre reason NXgamer just made up those numbers for fun.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nixxes did a better job with CD's code on pretty much all PS3/360 TR games. The remake and the one's before that as well.
Yes, if you take the figures that NXgamer reported, they are wrong.
They are talking about the PS4 version, which had more input lag than the Xbox version to begin with.
And had more input lag than the Xbox One version even after the patch.
As reported by NXgamer who tested it for each patch .
Also, notice how in the article they have published they aren't actually testing anything, rather they are just reporting on the patch notes.
PS4 went from 242ms of input lag, to 183.3ms of input lag after 2 patches.
Xbox One was 175ms.
It shouldn't be that difficult to understand
Why does that chart only have numbers for the X1S, not the X1?
Mr Moose
Member
I can't find one for this game, found one for FPS games though:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-console-fps-input-lag-tested
They should do some more like this.
Ahh no I am not saying that lol
I'm just saying from what they've said (and I think others a while ago on here) that the input lag was improved from the earlier version (which was apparently never fixed for the Xbox One version). The chart might be correct.
ethomaz
Banned
You can play the game on all platforms that basically makes this "test" false... you can even record with your phone and slowdown after to see how the input lag on original version is really that crap compared with others versions (neither version is really ideal).About that...
BTW these numbers showed by NX are basically unplayable.
Edit - 360 input lag should be close to 60-80ms... it is pretty good.
SomethingInTheSea
Member
I'd love to know the difference between the X1 and the X1S and if there is one in turns of input lag. I know that certain areas, specifically Geothermal valley are a lot smoother on X1S.
I originally played it on X1 and now own a X1S but obviously can't compare the two directly anymore.
Dragon1893
Member
Curious about the resolution of the enriched mode.
They didn't specify if the 60fps mode retains native 4K res, I'm assuming it does.
They didn't specify if the 60fps mode retains native 4K res, I'm assuming it does.
Digital Foundry recently did an article on input lag and found VERY different results to NX Gamer. Honestly with NXGamers accuracy track record I'd go with DF on this one.Yes, if you take the figures that NXgamer reported, they are wrong.
They are talking about the PS4 version, which had more input lag than the Xbox version to begin with.
And had more input lag than the Xbox One version even after the patch.
As reported by NXgamer who tested it for each patch .
Also, notice how in the article they have published they aren't actually testing anything, rather they are just reporting on the patch notes.
PS4 went from 242ms of input lag, to 183.3ms of input lag after 2 patches.
Xbox One was 175ms.
It shouldn't be that difficult to understand
Yeah it should be the norm, I won't play TR again but I will try it to see how it looks on the X.
ethomaz
Banned
This is how input lag PS4 was before the patch 1.04 (same input lag than XB1):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxrgaqWkTSA
This is how input lag is on PS4 today (after patch):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uARAxpKm0Sc
This is the comparison between PS4 (1.06 fixed) and XB1 (1.06 but never fixed):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F451eW_SDk
I call this NX test bullshit because they didn't even makes sense... misleading test to make some guys think (and use the graph) there is no input lag difference lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxrgaqWkTSA
This is how input lag is on PS4 today (after patch):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uARAxpKm0Sc
This is the comparison between PS4 (1.06 fixed) and XB1 (1.06 but never fixed):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F451eW_SDk
I call this NX test bullshit because they didn't even makes sense... misleading test to make some guys think (and use the graph) there is no input lag difference lol
Seganomics
Member
Is this an improvement over Pro? I don't see it mentioned in the article.
MaulerX
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Seganomics
Member
Ah! SuperRocketKnight. The go-to guy for all my input lag comparison needs.
YYYYYEEESSSSSS
I can finally finish the game without getting pissed off at the controls!!!!
ethomaz
Banned
Comparison? He just recorded the video lol you can watch and see.
Or play.
Edit - It is funny now NX hide the controller input to us dumb guys see the input lag by ourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FobOlcWEdyU
I believe MS's target is people who don't own a PS4 Pro. It may get a few PS4 people to switch back over, it may get some 360 people to upgrade, and it'll entice a lot of XB1 owners that are looking for that boost in performance. I doubt it'll get a lot of PS4 Pro owners to jump in.
If they market it correctly they may get a lot of people who are upgrading their TVs as well. I can imagine the people in Best Buy saying it's the "perfect match for your new TV" since it's both a 4K Blu Ray player and powerful games console.
Jaguar Victory
Member
$100 more than what? Are you saying paying more for better performance isn't worth it?
Seganomics
Member
This got weird. I'm out.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Sure, it will have it's audience, just like the Pro, it's just not something that interests me personally, now MS are releasing their games on PC anyway. My PS4 Pro, Switch and PC combo is the way I'm sticking.
ethomaz
Banned
Of course... nothing against solid arguments.
Input lag is the time you press the button on the controller to the action happens in the screen... why NX hide the controller input on the video? It is easy to understand because if you play both version you will see one delay more the action than the other... the opposite his numbers showed in this graph that goes against his tests... he even claimed Quantum Break was native 1080p without noticing it used temporal retroconstruction from 720p.
Im am surprised gaf use use nx gamer for anything. I mean it is good to have an alternative to DF but after 4-5 videos from him, all his videos sounded like guess job. I unsubscribed his channel a long time ago, why do I even want tech analysis that is just some dude's guess work.
Seganomics
Member
I wasn't questioning the assertion that the X1 version has more input lag than PS4, more the suggestion that NX gamers results (which i think do actually show that PS4 input lag is better in some cases?) shouldn't be trusted when faced with random YouTube guys bullet proof testing.
ethomaz
Banned
He only recorded the controller and TV to see the input lag... you can do that at your home with your cellphone.
Anybody can test the input lag differences... it is easy... I used the first two results.
NX data doesn't match reality.
Seganomics
Member
If you've tried all versions and witnessed the differences then your word is good enough for me dude, that's all I'm saying.
AngelOFDeath
Member
Damn wish the Pro had HDR support
MilkyJoe
Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
holy jesus!!! gladly we have a pc version <3