I don't necessarily think that IGN and these other sites were doing it maliciously. More likely explained by Hanlon's razor.
Fuck IGN.
Fuck Polygon.
Fuck Digital Foundry.
Fuck 'em all for spreading false news to get those early hits/revenue.
Can t agree with that.
What shagg said.
Exactly. People are forgetting that this is the same biased IGN that gave 3 PS3 exclusives perfect scores this generation. No Xbox games have ever been awarded a 10/10 from IGN.
= biased.
"Oh we were mistaken. Our bad. We weren't intentionally lying. We just suck. We won't do it again. We promise."
It's fishy why the whole industry waited this long to do the real comparison.
Explain why you don't agree with it. DF's BF4 and CoD comparisons especially have been great and have illustrated the differences quite well. I may have missed an article here or there but I haven't seen anything controversial in the DF comparisons since launch.
I know GAF is very different, but if you showed these to people who play games but don't think too hard about it, they'd shrug their shoulders and wonder what difference it makes. And these websites know this, because that's who they're writing for. I prefer 1080 all the way, but there needs to be an acceptance that there's a vast swath of people who don't even notice stuff like this, and that is okay for the mainstream press to acknowledge.It's fishy why the whole industry waited this long to do the real comparison.
I'll say it as plainly as possible in hopes of you being able to understand.
Readers of IGN who trust their professional opinions may have been swayed by the comparison between the 2 versions of CODG to buy the Xbox One. It was an incorrect comparison because CODG running at 1080p actually looks noticeably different from and better than the same game running at 720p.
It's not just meaningless "technological dick wagging" where one console gets bragging rights over having a higher number of inconsequential "Ps" as you put it, which is completely asinine because higher resolution is a big deal. It was a big deal when the last gen of consoles got us out of the 480i ghetto into 720p and it's almost as big of a deal to actually have games outputting in our TV's native resolution. Readers were misled and waters were muddied.
If the Xbox One is unable to run a certain game at any resolution over 720p while maintaining 60FPS and the PS4 can run the exact same game at 1080p with ridiculous surpluses in frame rate that made the game chug as a result of TOO many frames, that is an indicator of a substantial disparity in graphical power beyond some irrelevant pissing contest.
No one is biased. They go where the money is. Either they took some checks to make some "mistakes" or they're completely incompetent. Pick your poison.
As is typically the case, Occam's razor is rather more sharp. It seems less than likely that numerous gaming media sites who make a living from discussing, amongst other things, the technical issues in games were completely oblivious to the differences between 1080p and 720p output - even when their consumers informed them that something was clearly off with what they were doing.
There's certainly no shortage of stupidity. The unfortunate issue with Hanlon's razor is that stupidity and malice are often perfect bedmates.
Good post... to sum up, if IGN isn't able to do their job properly then they are irrelevant. period.
Does anyone care about games anymore?
IGN may or may not be a good site, its a moot point. You should only be concerned about whether a site can tell you how much you would enjoy playing a game. But this has long ago taken a back seat to telling you which irrelevant technical detail is better on some scale to another.
And this whole hang up with resolution... Honestly I wish this whole generation was 720p. I dare anyone to find any game that looks as good as a 720p bluray. You wont find a single one. How about any game that looks as good as a film in 480p? Again you wont find one.
Resolution is a false god, always has been. Just go take a look at the hires PC screenshot thread. So many terrible looking pin sharp images. If that extra processing power was spent on more filters, effects and higher detail the games would look so much better.
...they didn't try to be the first to print. They posted the next gen ghosts comparison on the 27th.
This is one of the daftest posts I've seen in a long while. If you're asking me whether I'd prefer to play a game as good looking as Shadow Fall or DriveClub in 1080p or something as good looking as a movie in 480p, I'd pick the former, because the latter would just be great looking but highly blurry with little to no macro detailing. A bit like 480p videos blown up on a 1080p screen today. Only you'd probably never get that infinite AA or extreme down sampled clean image required to mimic movies or CGI films, even at 720p, nor should you need to. Games like Ryse, Knack and Shadow Fall already look very clean.
DriveClub is already reaching early levels of gaming photo realism even at 1080p, so there's that too. And you can bet we'll have the Sorcerer demo graphics in 1080p too this gen.
The next daft point is this notion that 720p will give you movie like graphics whilst 1080p will give you much worse. Wrong. 1080p is not that much more resource intensive, not with a capable enough GPU with enough ram and so on to spare. The better the GPU, the higher the performance degradation ceiling, and the less demanding 1080p is to run on it.
So there is no excuse for xbone games not being 1080p then?
And you are completely missing the point. It is not about how clean an image is. Of course those games have clean images when there is so little going on. Drop the resolution and you can still have a clean image but with far more happening.
We are not anywhere near photo realistic yet. Maybe when inside a building with bare walls we can get there, but compare a film of a busy city with that in a game, the difference is massive. Take something like GTA5. Run it in 4K if you like, its never going to be realistic. But take the power needed to run at 4K to improve it at 720p and then you have a much better looking prospect.
Are you getting it now?
I know GAF is very different, but if you showed these to people who play games but don't think too hard about it, they'd shrug their shoulders and wonder what difference it makes. And these websites know this, because that's who they're writing for. I prefer 1080 all the way, but there needs to be an acceptance that there's a vast swath of people who don't even notice stuff like this, and that is okay for the mainstream press to acknowledge.
Does anyone care about games anymore?
So there is no excuse for xbone games not being 1080p then?
And you are completely missing the point. It is not about how clean an image is. Of course those games have clean images when there is so little going on. Drop the resolution and you can still have a clean image but with far more happening. And you know its not just about 'clean', life is not just clean. 4K PC games are clean, they still look horribly unrealistic.
We are not anywhere near photo realistic yet. Maybe when inside a building with bare walls we can get there, but compare a film of a busy city with that in a game, the difference is massive. Take something like GTA5. Run it in 4K if you like, its never going to be realistic. But take the power needed to run at 4K to improve it at 720p and then you have a much better looking prospect.
Are you getting it now?
IGN should be banned for this.
nah.. IGN won't be banned for this.
Polygon have done worst, and GAF still put hits on it.
Wanting 720p games is silly. You're just sacrificing texture detail and IQ, and will have to make room for a more resource hogging AA solution to make up for the added jaggies and shimmering 720p adds too.
I think the Polygon hate is more geared towards that Arthur Gies? fellow that writes for Polygon than Polygon itself.
Ryse says otherwise. Personally I think it is telling that the best looking game of the next generation is the 900p one.
Have a read of this:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-focus-does-pixel-count-matter
'the same level of detail can be resolved in gaming without recourse to a 1080p framebuffer'
Some people are finally seeing the light. If we want better graphics we should stop worrying about resolution. It is getting in the way of progress, not helping it.
You are misapplying Occam's razor. The most simple explanation is that through the power of suggestion the people truly believed they were seeing 1080p. Give people cheap cuts of meat next to fine china and silver cutlery and they will tell you without fail how excellent quality the meat was. They were told the game runs at 1080p, the PS4 said the game was 1080p and their TVs said they were getting 1080p.
It rather absurd to think of the most simple explanation to be a complex conspiracy to deceive the gaming public, but as you said, there certainly is no shortage of stupidity...
Call of Duty: Ghosts runs at 1080p resolution on Xbox One and PlayStation 4, Infinity Ward has said.
That's while retaining the shooter series' trademark super smooth 60 frames per second visuals.
Infinity Ward executive producer Mark Rubin told Eurogamer for Ghosts the priority was to have the game, built on an improved version of Infinity Ward's existing engine, run at 60fps across all platforms, then build from there...
It's not a complex conspiracy. A conspiracy has the connotation of actually achieving something. This has been a completely failed attempt, at every level, to market something other than reality. Once again stupidity and malice tend to go hand in hand.
There is no indication they intentionally misled people.
Ryse is also not 720p
Also please do not link to any Richard Leadbetter written article to prove a point.
Can't spell ignorant without IGN!
Complex? Claiming 720p video is 1080p video is about as complex a "conspiracy" as Microsoft getting all their reps to claim that dedicated servers increase the XBone's performance by 400%, or Microsoft and certain members of the gaming press implying that people didn't like Microsoft's DRM since they "weren't ready for the future", or hey let's sell a $106 "micro"transaction at the worst possible rate and put "Great deal!" by it! Fortunately that last one got nixed at some point, but I don't think forgive and forget is wise in this case as it shows a pattern of behavior. That pattern is not one of simple incompetence.
Here's a fun link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
It's not a complex conspiracy. A conspiracy has the connotation of actually achieving something. This has been a completely failed attempt, at every level, to market something other than reality. Once again stupidity and malice tend to go hand in hand.
And this whole hang up with resolution... Honestly I wish this whole generation was 720p. I dare anyone to find any game that looks as good as a 720p bluray. You wont find a single one. How about any game that looks as good as a film in 480p? Again you wont find one.
Resolution is a false god, always has been. Just go take a look at the hires PC screenshot thread. So many terrible looking pin sharp images. If that extra processing power was spent on more filters, effects and higher detail the games would look so much better.
Sigh... Please understand the very conspiracy you yourself are presenting. The conspiracy is not the claim, it is how the people involved are coerced to do it. You are claiming a multinational is in bed with many small media companies to screw over another multinational company. How did this all get setup? How are the payments handled and covered up? This is massively more complicated than just some people believing what they are told via many sources.
Does anyone care about games anymore?
Please, wont someone think of the children?
2013 will go down in gaming history as the year when people suddenly tried to argue that resolution was irrelevant.
Here's a fun link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
It's not a complex conspiracy. A conspiracy has the connotation of actually achieving something. This has been a completely failed attempt, at every level, to market something other than reality. Once again stupidity and malice tend to go hand in hand.
It's fishy why the whole industry waited this long to do the real comparison.
Does anyone care about games anymore?
IGN may or may not be a good site, its a moot point. You should only be concerned about whether a site can tell you how much you would enjoy playing a game. But this has long ago taken a back seat to telling you which irrelevant technical detail is better on some scale to another.
And this whole hang up with resolution... Honestly I wish this whole generation was 720p. I dare anyone to find any game that looks as good as a 720p bluray. You wont find a single one. How about any game that looks as good as a film in 480p? Again you wont find one.
Resolution is a false god, always has been. Just go take a look at the hires PC screenshot thread. So many terrible looking pin sharp images. If that extra processing power was spent on more filters, effects and higher detail the games would look so much better.
There's also "purposefully misleading consumers/viewers, because that's what will provide hits."No one is biased. They go where the money is. Either they took some checks to make some "mistakes" or they're completely incompetent. Pick your poison.
Do *YOU* enjoy games anymore?Does anyone care about games anymore?
IGN may or may not be a good site, its a moot point. You should only be concerned about whether a site can tell you how much you would enjoy playing a game.
Ryse says otherwise. Personally I think it is telling that the best looking game of the next generation is the 900p one.