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IGN admits their pre-release Ghosts footage wasn't 1080p after all
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Prince Vultan
Banned
There have simply been far too many fuck ups by too many sectors of the gaming media with regard to next gen for them all to be dismissed as mere coincidence/incompetence at this point.
I'm not about to start making accusations here, but there is most definitely something going on that isn't above board with all this.
I'm not about to start making accusations here, but there is most definitely something going on that isn't above board with all this.
RedAssedApe
Banned
yeah we are awful. video game section should be shut down. discussing video game related issues should become a bannable offense.
HowlingMad
Banned
The Xbone shot looks like it has some artificial edge enhancement and contrast boosting to try and make the image have a little more "pop". The result is a glittery looking image that isn't as clean as the PS4. I think that hurts the image even more than having lower resolution.
Devilgunman
Member
You care enough to come and post a nonsense here.
RedAssedApe
Banned
imo screenshots actually don't do the difference justice. even in the crappy IGN quality video the shimmering as the result of the aliasing is what bugs me the most
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
That's pretty much my stance too.
I seem to recall nothing but universal fury and rage.
But then that is all I can remember, even from birth.
Remember don't look too much into 1 million sales at launch, but Xbox selling more on one day based off unofficial and incomplete information from 2 stores is newsworthy.
While I wouldn't say what that guy said, I think that throwing around the word "bias" and directing it towards a site should be a bannable offence if the person cannot use evidence to support their claim, otherwise every thread is hijacked by conspiracy theorists who are as he said; stupid. Not one-sided evidence either. I have yet to see one person who has backed up their claims of 'bias' with facts. Just hyperbole and their own fanboy insecurity with silly anecdotes that do not prove anything.
IGN most definitely funked up, I'm sure we can all agree, but the bias slinging is idiotic to say the least. I think people need to understand what the word means before using it, as you can't very well use it whenever you don't agree with something, although this thread and many others are evidence that you seemingly can do just that. I think GAF is well renowned for factual analyses of the technical aspects of video games, it is just a shame that many posters do not share this quality (factual analysis).
Then elaborate so we can have a discussion. Name names. What are the sites/people and what are their motives? Surely we can at least discuss that, even if we can't make conclusions based off of a severe lack of evidence. Are people willing to stand by their theories? Then go ahead, don't beat around the bush if you are willing to make vague accusations. I'm all for it, I love a good discussion.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
LinktoDrink
Banned
You're absolutely right, but my point is that it's fucking Call of Duty. Anyone buying any version of it on any system is an idiot, so who cares about any of this?
But the FPS difference is why they scored it like that.
( oh wait, BF4 is the same score for ps4/xbone, even though the FPS difference is more noticeable...)
Yup. And it's not just Polygon. Why the heck are all the tech sites, including Digital Foundry, ignoring this huge, I mean HUGE issue? It boggles my mind! I'm actually proud of IGN for being the one site making a stand that they were duped by Infinity Ward (and possibly by extension Microsoft). SMH.
But you contradict yourself. 'Who cares about any of this' implies it has no value and yet you admit there is value in knowing the differences (between the hardware). That difference might actually mean a difference between a potential buyer supporting one platform or another. And again why has this comparison not happened sooner?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
The game's not really the core issue.
All IMO of course:It's fishy why the whole industry waited this long to do the real comparison.
Both look disgusting but the PS4 version looks less so. The first image is a great display of what you gain from a higher res with the details on the satellite that are entirely impossible to read on the XB One's image.
The texture seam on the low res ground texture in the second image does neither any favors. The scripted scene in the second image also has soldiers running inside of eachother on the PS4 image. A minor example of the tears, hard work, and dedication that I'm sure was poured into every frame of the game.
toastyToast
Member
It's really strange going from graphics cards performance benchmarks to console game comparisons. It's like, "See this chart? See how the performance is better on (blank)? Who gives a shit, amirite?"
DF didn't ignore it. And the correct thing for IGN to do would be to say "there isn't actually a resolution difference in spite of what Infinity Ward said" because that's what their captures showed, and not just trusting Infinity Ward and having no idea what higher resolution means.
Huh? You can clearly tell the resolution is 100% higher is the image comparisons? Maybe your on a cell phone or something.
Edit:Might have misunderstood you
How, indeed. There are a lot of concerns that come into play when looking at benchmarks. Some of the benefits are extremely minor... sure.
That said, benchmarks are a great source of finding out what card you should be getting next. I personally use it to spot when games are poorly optimized for one card vendor vs the other (I'll be paying very close attention in the next few years as AMD now has a monopoly on consoles). They also come in handy when talking yourself off the price cliff and helping you come to the conclusion that you really are not gaining anything of significant value by purchasing this or even last year's models.
There will always be the crowd of people that pump hundreds of dollars into chasing down 5 fps gains but they are not the majority nor should they be.
RockTurtle
Member
GARMZ JURNALISMs
and there were people defending them or trying to justify things.
I can tell you from now on i'm taking anything IGN says with a grain of salt
and there were people defending them or trying to justify things.
I can tell you from now on i'm taking anything IGN says with a grain of salt
(i lied, i am always pessimistic with anything they say)
IGN showed 720p vs 720p footage and claimed they were showing 720p vs 1080p footage and there was no difference. They claim that IW told them they were getting 1080p for the PS4 version.
The poster you replied to is saying what Sony should have done at the time. They should have said they're both clearly the same resolution despite any claims IW may or may not have made, because they were both clearly the same resolution. You're fanning flames that don't exist.
Since the game has come out and we are now seeing 1080p PS4 footage, IGN has to create some cock and bull story about some "unknown reason" why their previous footage wasn't 1080p like they had claimed it was.
Unless their video editor is severely vision-impaired, that "unknown reason" has to be the hats made of money they received.
paging @neogafshitposts
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
is this a new all time low for gaming journalism ?
When I said why has Digital Foundry ignored it, I was referring to their complete lack of a screenshot comparison between the two versions even after 11 days of both games being released and patched. So maybe he misunderstood me. But anyway, that's the issue here. IGN was told it was 1080p so they posted the results (which were 720p at the time). That aside I fault the fact that we had to wait this long for image comparisons anywhere on the web. And the difference was not minor buy any means. It's inexcusable.
simplythebest
Banned
I pretty much ignored all the resolution hubbub, but what I won't ignore is poor journalism.
Fortunately for me, I stopped following gaming sites/mags years and years ago.
I pretty much get all of my relevant gaming news from forums like this one. At the end of the day, the only thing I care about when it comes to gaming is:
What is coming out, and for what systems?
Anything else interesting going on in the industry (hardware, software, notable figures moving around or exiting the industry).
Reviews do nothing for me. I make up my own mind and buy the stuff that appeals to me. Some of my favorite games have reviewed poorly, so I learned a long time ago to not use reviews for anything other than a time killer if there's nothing else to do or read.
I'm not particularly interested in knowing anything else. I care about the games. And talking to people about games is fun, hence why forums like this are great for me, and all I need for my gaming fix.
I don't particularly subscribe to the notion of money-hats, but personal bias from a lot of these media folks is pretty evident. Gaming journalism went from being an objective evaluation of the industry, its people, and its games, to some gigantic live journal rant about what they like/don't like, with no real analysis or useful information concerning an industry they claim to be enthusiast press about.
Now, don't get me wrong, there are no doubt people in the journalist industry that love what they do, and want to cover the industry as honestly and true as they can, but I fear they have been overshadowed by the business aspect of the industry.
Fortunately for me, I stopped following gaming sites/mags years and years ago.
I pretty much get all of my relevant gaming news from forums like this one. At the end of the day, the only thing I care about when it comes to gaming is:
What is coming out, and for what systems?
Anything else interesting going on in the industry (hardware, software, notable figures moving around or exiting the industry).
Reviews do nothing for me. I make up my own mind and buy the stuff that appeals to me. Some of my favorite games have reviewed poorly, so I learned a long time ago to not use reviews for anything other than a time killer if there's nothing else to do or read.
I'm not particularly interested in knowing anything else. I care about the games. And talking to people about games is fun, hence why forums like this are great for me, and all I need for my gaming fix.
I don't particularly subscribe to the notion of money-hats, but personal bias from a lot of these media folks is pretty evident. Gaming journalism went from being an objective evaluation of the industry, its people, and its games, to some gigantic live journal rant about what they like/don't like, with no real analysis or useful information concerning an industry they claim to be enthusiast press about.
Now, don't get me wrong, there are no doubt people in the journalist industry that love what they do, and want to cover the industry as honestly and true as they can, but I fear they have been overshadowed by the business aspect of the industry.
DoubleTake
Member
Gaeamz Jurnaalizmm.
Ive really got no more words. Just tears. Its obvious whats been going on these past couple months.
If ive learned anything from this launch its to appreciate NeoGaf.
Thank God(Evilore) for NeoGaf, I love you all :']
Ive really got no more words. Just tears. Its obvious whats been going on these past couple months.
If ive learned anything from this launch its to appreciate NeoGaf.
Thank God(Evilore) for NeoGaf, I love you all :']
I was referring to their initial comparison where the resolution was the same.
DF had a lot of stuff on their plate. XB1 and PS4 hardware tests, and BF4 and Akham Origins comparison, Forza, Ryse and Killzone articles and framerate tests for miscellaneous games.
What a waste of bytes! You come to a place where people talk about stuff and expect them to not talk about stuff. The only point you really make is that 99% won't give a fuck (which, by the way, is a totally baseless number pulled from the ass). In what measurable way does the rest of your comment have any impact on anything whatsoever? The answer is...
mysteriousmage09
Member
Mistakenly......sure IGN, sure.
If you pride yourself on being some sort of go-to for the final word on graphics, you should probably worry more about accuracy than being the first to print. This just makes DF look bad.
Also, "unknown reasons" IGN? Is that what we call Activision flat out admitting it wasn't 1080p and patching it in? That's unknown?
soxinthebox
Member
I don't necessarily think that IGN and these other sites were doing it maliciously. More likely explained by Hanlon's razor.
...they didn't try to be the first to print. They posted the next gen ghosts comparison on the 27th.
The space level looks kinda neat to be honest.
Good post.
Exactly. People are forgetting that this is the same biased IGN that gave 3 PS3 exclusives perfect scores this generation. No Xbox games have ever been awarded a 10/10 from IGN.
= biased.