One of the reasons, yes. Japan has a history playing the victim card at every possible turn when it comes to the nukes while simultaneously downplaying/dodging all of its own sins.I think this shows why China hates Japan.
It's disgusting.
One of the reasons, yes. Japan has a history playing the victim card at every possible turn when it comes to the nukes while simultaneously downplaying/dodging all of its own sins.I think this shows why China hates Japan.
sorry but this is bullshit..
How is it bullshit?
Axis or Allies, both did horrific crimes.
When I lived in Japan, a guy in my class (not sure how many agreed with him) thought Hitler was amazing and someone to be looked up to. That he would do so much for his country.
I hope the large majority of people know the correct history and their role in WW2, but I also know their history education is pretty bad.
Also, I am sure most anime-avatar posters from the other japanese topic thread are avoiding this thread. But just in case you are passing by, read this shit before you open your mouth. Never forget.
because that implies that they are equivalent. I would sincerely hope that no one believes this
Fucked up. I guess this is one of the reasons why almost every mainland Chinese I know absolutely dislike Japan.
How is it bullshit?
Axis or Allies, both did horrific crimes.
Hilarious considering imperial japan was just aping what it perceived as it's right after watching the west run roughshod all over Asia. The west shouldn't get to aggressively colonize and exploit Asia...we should!It's amazing they really believe this. If this was true, all Asian countries would have lined up to defend Japan during their trials after the war.
How is it bullshit?
Axis or Allies, both did horrific crimes.
Russia and Japan both seem to be sinking back into their WWII "glory days", back when we ripped them a new one economically and imperialistically. This shouldn't be happening after how far they progressedpre-Putin, Russia wasn't doing too well, but religion was back and (representative) democracy becoming a part of daily life, and Japan had it all before the bubble burst.
Tokyo 2020's gonna be awkward!
Interesting how China loves to point at Japan for denying Nanking, yet they continue to stand their ground on Tibet and the Tibetan uprising.
The allies didn't commit crimes on the scale of the axis of course, but the allies weren't squeaky clean
The allies didn't commit crimes on the scale of the axis of course, but the allies weren't squeaky clean
I don't think neither Fritz, you and I are in any disagreement on this case, it's just that I think you're falsly interpreting Fritz' statement as an example of patriotism. When he said "efforts made by this country" he didn't necessarily mean efforts done by the government or a vast majority of the population, but just people in Germany that thought it was just to paint these crimes as what they are.What are you referring to? The public? The german public in large was , and many still are, against helping the victims. Many feel like somekind of used by jews through the guilt.
The allies didn't commit crimes on the scale of the axis of course, but the allies weren't squeaky clean
Bububu Mao was in Civilization! It's not like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution were two of the greatest tragedies in human historyThey like to stir up the pot a lot.
They get pissy when Japan gets a new naval ship, while at the same time they are rapidly building up their own armed forces.
China blasts Japan for visiting a shrine that out of 2 million, 1000 or so are war criminals yet on their yuan contains a man responsible for mass genocide
There will always be this sort of nationalist movement in Japan, but I'd say that it is overstated how accepted it actually is by the majority.
They like to stir up the pot a lot.
They get pissy when Japan gets a new naval ship, while at the same time they are rapidly building up their own armed forces.
China blasts Japan for visiting a shrine that out of 2 million, 1000 or so are war criminals yet on their yuan contains a man responsible for mass genocide
How is it bullshit?
Axis or Allies, both did horrific crimes.
Difference is that the Axis were the aggressors.The allies didn't commit crimes on the scale of the axis of course, but the allies weren't squeaky clean
They like to stir up the pot a lot.
They get pissy when Japan gets a new naval ship, while at the same time they are rapidly building up their own armed forces.
China blasts Japan for visiting a shrine that out of 2 million, 1000 or so are war criminals yet on their yuan contains a man responsible for mass genocide
because that implies that they are equivalent. I would sincerely hope that no one believes this
Japan didn't invent wartime mass rape, it's sadly as old as war itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
There will always be this sort of nationalist movement in Japan, but I'd say that it is overstated how accepted it actually is by the majority.
Difference is that the Axis were the aggressors.
So you could sorta say "they had it coming" to their nations. Russia's rape of Berlin was the reaction to the mass Russian deaths during Operation Barbarossa committed by the Nazis.
So you would think the Soviets would've just let it slide after massive amount of deaths in Russia that was responsible by the Germans? No. It was an eye for an eye to them.The women of Germany
"had it coming"... ?
You aren't even human.
No it doesn't mean that all. War crimes should not be erased or forgotten just because the other army did worse. The idea that the rape of German and Japanese women should just be ignored or not given equal recognition is a sick and misogynist one. None of the women of any country had any say in what happened in WW2 (or any war). It was a war started by men, waged by men with crimes committed by men. Women were just passengers, treated like plunder by men if they were unlucky to be in an occupied country.
Satō was right, it's all a damn conspiracy
So you would think the Soviets would've just let it slide after massive amount of deaths in Russia that was responsible by the Germans? No. It was eye for an eye to them.
So you would think the Soviets would've just let it slide after massive amount of deaths in Russia that was responsible by the Germans? No. It was an eye for an eye to them.
I'm obviously speaking from human characteristic's side of view. This was still 20th century after all.
Big difference is that both China or Korea didn't invade Japan and killed their civilians or raped their women. That means Japan invaded China reactionary to something what China did to them something similar in the past.If you want to take "they had it coming" to a subjective point of view, it becomes easy for Japan to justify their atrocities in Korea and China as well.
Didn't the US let a lot of the war criminals involved in Unit 731 and related camps off in exchange for the data obtained from such experiments?Slightly surprised it hasn't been brought up yet, but Japan's Unit 731 should be mentioned whenever it tries to defend its role in WWII. Some of the most horrifying experiments ever conducted by mankind.
Didn't the US let a lot of the war criminals involved in Unit 731 and related camps off in exchange for the data obtained from such experiments?
The reason so many people in China absolutely dislike Japan is because of the government's insistence to shove it down their throats at every opportunity (while painting the Communist party as the ones who saved China and brought it prosperity and stability). The propaganda machine is still pretty strong there.Fucked up. I guess this is one of the reasons why almost every mainland Chinese I know absolutely dislike Japan.
If Japan tried to pull the stuff that they did in the 30's and 40's today they'd be ground into paste.This is why we don't need a Japan that "rolls back its pacifism".
History is rewritten badly by the losers
one of the MANY reasons, yes. I mean, China (and Korea) were Japan's (and Russia, UK etc.) bitches during the 19-20th century, especially China.I think this shows why China hates Japan.
It's well known that the Chinese government like to play the nationalist card, but all they did was just a gentle push, the attitude of the Japanese government did most of the job.The reason so many people in China absolutely dislike Japan is because of the government's insistence to shove it down their throats at every opportunity (while painting the Communist party as the ones who saved China and brought it prosperity and stability). The propaganda machine is still pretty strong there.
The Chinese government is ultimately responsible for inciting many of the anti-Japanese riots and unrest that happened in the last few years. It's arguably as alarming as the extremist views we're seeing coming out of Japan.
I don't think German rocket scientists did anything remotely as bad as unit 731.A lot of German scientists and engineers went to work for NASA too.
I don't think German rocket scientists did anything remotely as bad as unit 731.
Glad I don't pay for NHK.
If Japan tried to pull the stuff that they did in the 30's and 40's today they'd be ground into paste.
It's a shame that people with a voice and influence feel this way in Japan though. I feel like the Japanese in general have never really come to terms with how the war ended.
But like it's been said before, there is always a GAF defense force for everything.
I'm just pointing out that the allies also did some terrible things as well. It is bullshit to compare the scale of crimes of what the axis did to what the allies but it isn't bullshit to say that the allies weren't clean.
I'm in no way defending what the Japanese did during the war. I love Japan, but I will never come to their defense of what they did to millions of people (Unit 731, Rape of Nanking, etc)
Nobody has said the Allies were clean, so if you didn't set out to achieve some kind of bullshit false equivalency, what exactly did you aim to do with your post?