Shin-Ra
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Who'd have thought people could be angry at this adorable face for providing the most powerful console and not bleeding money doing it!
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Kaz Hirai: "PS4 hardware is already profitable"
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Who'd have thought people could be angry at this adorable face for providing the most powerful console and not bleeding money doing it!
how much did x360 sell compared to the dreamcast or even the genesis? many more people disagree with you.
Despite selling roughly the same SONY could have considered the PS3 a failure since it sold much worse than the PS2, but MS could have viewed the XBOX 360 as a success since it did much better than the original. However, it's been my experience that the best lessons in life are learned from failures.
Metalingus5150
Member
What's wrong with how powerful the PS4 hardware is?
Maintenance
Member
I'm not even following what is your point right now. The Dreamcast wasn't more powerful but had many innovations at the time, someone could say that they tried to go more than the safe route, and then disaster happened.
I wouldn't want that to happen to another company that is on the market right now, because I like them, yes it is anecdotal but I never say that it wasn't. From the beginning I said that my opinion is that I don't want companies to fail anymore, because only things like Microsoft would be left, and I don't like the prospect of that.
SolidSnakex
Member
You can't be a gamer and also be happy that companies aren't spending years bleeding money on hardware? It really wasn't a good thing that last gen platforms bled so much money. That's one of the main reasons why they're still sitting at such high prices even though they're 7-8 years old. It took forever for them to actually become profitable. Gaming divisions of big companies being healthy and profitable is a good thing for all gamers.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=819775
Sony chose to not publicly announce the sales figures. They were leaked in that thread. I thought I was being cynically bearish on my prediction for April. They shocked me with how bad they ended up. That is of course "just" the US. I'm assuming it will be a metronome for the rest of the world as we segue from the initial hype sales to the next phase.
Schweinehund
Member
Who'd have thought people could be angry at this adorable face for providing the most powerful console and not bleeding money doing it!
Most powerful console is relative. When most games are struggling to reach 1080p on it, it is a little dismaying (hopefully this can be attributed to developer inexperience with the tools, or not having the full target specs available during dev time for the launch games). Games like second son though, they show that the hardware is capable. I didn't buy my ps4 for power though, bought it for dem exclusives.
Good work Sony.
Its more powerful than the WiiU and X1 so that makes it the most powerful console currently.
Its more powerful than the WiiU and X1 so that makes it the most powerful console currently.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
congratulations to sony for making a profit during your mad scruggles, hopefully it continues.
Citation needed.
Battlefield 4 and Watch_Dogs are the only sub-1080p PS4 games.
Oh and Killzone MP.
Wait, most games? You know there are exactly TWO games on the system which operate at lower than 1080p, right, and one of those is 60 fps. It's not struggling to hit 1080p at all.
Now, hitting 60 fps is proving to be the more difficult point.
They haven't given NPD numbers in years.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Sony got everything right with the PS4, impressive.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Actually, "most powerful console" is not relative.
I dont think sony ever announces npd numbers. Its always from leaks.
They only announce worldwide numbers.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Good. When will Sony itself become profitable though?
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Oh dear.
shadowsdarknes
Member
It's funny that we enjoy seeing sustainable business practices?
If we want to continue to enjoy more products by Sony in the future, we don't want them to tank, lose a ton of money, and then potentially cease to make products in the future. Or in a better case scenario, they will be looking for that revenue elsewhere.
Sony hit the sweet spot. For a company that is ailing so much in its financials, its good to see them actually take a profitable venture. That benefits the consumer in the long run when they actually have the capital and desire to keep up their product line.
Would we all like a 500 dollar machine for a discount? Yes. There's great benefits for the gamer. But last generation was a money sink. Right now, sustainable business practices are what is going to keep Sony afloat. Not making super hardware designed to take massive losses.
We can appreciate this financial success for Sony because it benefits us gamers in the long run. Not just shareholders.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
They are not going to catch up, and just dropping the price now when it is profitable is stupid.
Clockwork5
Member
Yes. Cheap, loose plastic case and wobble design. My $200 stereo reciever (made by Sony) feels infinitely more sturdy than my PS4.
gundamkyoukai
Member
You can't get cutting edge technology in a consolesTDP and size won't allow for it anymore .
We now have GPUs that are 500 plus watts they can't fit into console .
yeah, i mean seems obvious. Congrats anyhow, Sony.
KZObsessed
Member
Good, hopefully this means the price will drop consistently over the generation.
The game division is still losing money.
When the system launched, PS4 was profitable as long as you got one game (or more) with it.
Now, if I understand correctly, PS4 is already profitable when they simply sell a PS4. Basically, costs/unit have dropped at least $20 or so since launched. Seems accurate.
shadowsdarknes
Member
It's not relative. The PS4 has demonstrated the greatest ability to achieve 1080p by having 99% of its library achieving 1080p.
Output is quantitative. The PS4 is the most powerful console to date.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Incoming price drop
Schweinehund
Member
Sorry, no idea why I put most, I was thinking of the launch titles and I know AssCreed started at 900 but was jacked up later.
edit: What I meant by relative is that, in that set of 3 it is the most powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a powerhouse. I feel that 360/ps3 were more on PC's level when they came out.
edit: What I meant by relative is that, in that set of 3 it is the most powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a powerhouse. I feel that 360/ps3 were more on PC's level when they came out.
krypt0nian
Banned
Wut.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Indeed, relative to the Xbox One the PS4 is the most powerful console.
Platinum_D
Member
That is great for them
HI. BILLY MAYS HERE
Banned
Let's not start this debate again
Some divisions of sony are profitable and some aren't just like any other company.
Has MS harmed the industry or something?
I thought the wobble only happen if you push down that one side since all the weight is on the right?
Yeah, but not for the reasons you think.
SOE was one of the main reasons.
Apparently 'how' market works is that there will always be someone to take the place of anyone who bites the dust
I mean it's not like there are any other possible outcomes or anything...
mysteriousmage09
Member
Holy hell Sony. PS4 is already past the Wii U LTD sales, currently has around double the sales of the Xbone, and is already in the profitable state. This is a dream situation after the PS3.
roddjbrown
Member
I presume these profits don't take into account R&D costs? Or do they apportion R&D to the console cost based on forecast lifetime sales?
As a gamer you make an enormous sacrifice buying a console. You're essentially buying a PC with extremely heavy restrictions on what software and hardware you can use. In the past this was a reasonable deal since the price
erformance made it a reasonably fair trade. You agree to be locked into their exclusive economy and in exchange they give you hardware that you couldn't get for that price anywhere else - except perhaps from a competing console.This gen you're getting a console that under performs relative to PCs that can be built for comparable prices. You're agreeing to lock yourself into their exclusive economy and getting what in return exactly?
Those PCs that can match and exceed the PS4's power also far exceed its price.
You have to strike a balance and Sony did just that.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Maintenance
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Cut off one head, two more shall take its place, the only outcome.
As a gamer you make an enormous sacrifice buying a console. You're essentially buying a PC with extremely heavy restrictions on what software and hardware you can use. In the past this was a reasonable deal since the price
This gen you're getting a console that under performs relative to PCs that can be built for comparable prices. You're agreeing to lock yourself into their exclusive economy and getting what in return exactly?
So you are saying you can build a $400 PC that can play the best the PS4 will have to offer? And it will come with a PS4 controller?
MonsterHunter
Member
Good. Now do a Vita bundle~