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Konami Interview: Committed to Core Gamers, MGS doesnt need Kojima
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akidnamededdy
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After playing MGSV I can say it's not so much that Metal Gear doesn't need Kojima. It's more like "someone, anybody, please take Metal Gear away from Kojima, he's George Lucas-ing the whole thing up."
This! It's really down to how you play. If it feels repetitive you're playing repetitively. Try playing differently and it becomes something completely else. I guess what's missing is the lack of features forcing you to overcome obstacles in certain ways. If they mixed something like that in it would probably be even more varied.
In terms of PR, it's in Konami's best interest to act like they're (still) interested in console consumers because they still want to sell MGS5 to the hardcore that doesn't yet own it. Grassroots goodwill marketing is probably part of this plan.
I'll believe Konami when I see them putting effort into console releases outside of PES.
I'll believe Konami when I see them putting effort into console releases outside of PES.
The new MGO is handled by westerners though right?
If that turns out to be good while keeping the magic intact then I guess it just takes big fans as developers to keep it going. But yeah. Kojima Productions. Are they still around at konami?
It is a game you can spend 100 hours + completing. It takes considerable time to take it all in. I think it is completely understandable for this game it particular for people to reassess what they were thinking after completing it.
Personally I don't see much of the acclaim it received initially still holding up late in the game. And honestly, playing though the game in a rushed way probably improves the impression quite a bit.
Aces&Eights
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Some of the large AAA Publishers spend that in advertising alone I'd wager.
I think the bottom line is do we trust Konami to take the engine, assets and characters and build on them like fans would expect? Or, are they going to pump out cheap copycats with no innovation? Time will tell.
Sure, but advertising is something you spend on a run rate relative to what you expect to sell at the time the game is done. Development budget is much less tied to that.
As it stands I'm not actually expecting them to release anything since I'm not convinced they're going to have the staff left to actually release something.
It's just that if they did, I could see either cheap follow-ups with existing assets a la something like Revelations 2 or a reserved sequel.
PensivePen
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If Konami wants to abandon MGS altogether and just start releasing MGR games made by Platinum that'd be a-okay.
I don't think Konami will drop MGS, though they may struggle to make something in the same vein as other MGS titles. If anything, I see them remaking MG1 and 2 as a starting point if they ever go back to making actual new MGS games.
Konami doesn't need Kojima, but they definitely need someone with his vision to continue creating new MGS games. It just has to be someone that is also fine with working within Konami and whatever limitations they put in place to avoid a ballooning budget.
Konami doesn't need Kojima, but they definitely need someone with his vision to continue creating new MGS games. It just has to be someone that is also fine with working within Konami and whatever limitations they put in place to avoid a ballooning budget.
I wonder if Konami will start co-opting the publishing model wherein they essentially contract Western devs and entrust them with IPs for console releases the way Capcom does/did. Stricter budgets and timelines to make sure a MGS5 scenario never happens again. Annualized releases if possible.
They already technically did this with the last few Silent Hill games, IIRC.
Wouldn't make big enough returns for Konami to even consider it.
Considering MGR is secretly the best Metal Gear game since 3, I'd be okay with this.
Srey Plaughtered
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Didn't Konami say that they're not making anything AAA outside of PES now anyway?
Reading this thread people seem to now want Kojima permanently gone from handling MGS.
Well, before careful what you wish for lads. Please believe the next MGS game will have microtransactions coming out the wazoo, in addition to the game being far less ambitious than any of Kojima's previous work and less care put into it.
It'll be nothing but a quick simple cash grab that takes advantage of gullible franchise fans.
I thought shit like Castelvania would serve as enough of a warning but guess not.
Well, before careful what you wish for lads. Please believe the next MGS game will have microtransactions coming out the wazoo, in addition to the game being far less ambitious than any of Kojima's previous work and less care put into it.
It'll be nothing but a quick simple cash grab that takes advantage of gullible franchise fans.
I thought shit like Castelvania would serve as enough of a warning but guess not.
BadAss2961
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I'm not.
No Kojima, no MGS. Konami will likely extend the series and fuck it up from here, but I wish this could be it.
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The funny thing is Konami has the potential to bring in a new, hungry team of focused devs wanting to make a mark for themselves. Give them a budget and timeframe. Give them the Fox Engine and hell, give them a focus. One base, one mission. No open world, no years of building the engine, no Keifer, no big names. A lean, mean remake of MG1 with a new pair of eyes.
They could...but they won't.
PensivePen
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I'm not even sure if MGSV has broken even yet.
Lords of the Shadow 1 was reviewed pretty well. And Castlevania was never an established 3D series. The attempt to turn it from 2D to 3D failed already on the N64.
We NEED more MGSV, because we NEED third person steath games.
Tenchu....gone
Splinter Cell.....gone
Metal Gear Solid....gone?
Tenchu got fucked because of developers.
Acquire, the developer who made the series, is now owned by a mobile company.
K2, a developer who worked on mainline titles that didn't work on Acquire's games, is now owned by Capcom.
FromSoft has never made a legitimate Tenchu, save for that party game. They have no experience with the roots of this IP.
Uggggh...sounds so terrible.
Fun fact: Bloodstained was almost like this, if a major publisher bought in before they went crowdfunding. It was originally to be a globetrotting game with areas being added as DLC in just the toxic way your post described.
it's going to be far darker than just microtransactions i'm afraid.
kojima out of the director's chair is fine, but a lack of guiding hands from a production standpoint is outright scary. kojima stepped in to direct 3 when the team weren't progressing well. similarly he placed rising in the hands of platinum when kojipro's version wasn't materialising. kojipro seemed to have a problem with project-leading talent dating back as far as the ps2 days. even if konami staff up as they seem to intend to and get someone willing to take on metal gear post-kojima, a lot of senior staff who've been making the series for years won't be available for advice, guidance, and a helping hand in making the game come to fruition.
kojima, shinkawa, and imaizumi among others won't be there after the end of this year. even from a technical standpoint, julien merceron has already left and konami will need to fill the void with someone to continue to develop the fox engine for future games.
at some point you have to wonder if konami will find it worth their while to hire staff to create the game in-house. it could just be farmed off like plenty of throwaway silent hill games were, and castlevania. either way it's a very bumpy road, and there's very little to be optimistic about.
BadAss2961
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As I play it, i've kept myself in the dark regarding MGSV impressions. Considering the massive amount of content, i'm a little surprised (just a little) at the mixed response i'm seeing here.
MGS4 had too much story and no gameplay. Now MGSV has too much gameplay and no story... lol
I've been taking my time with V in an attempt to 100% it. I think the game is incredible.
MGS4 had too much story and no gameplay. Now MGSV has too much gameplay and no story... lol
I've been taking my time with V in an attempt to 100% it. I think the game is incredible.
You'll see what divided people soon enough.
No offense, but an interview with a Community Manager talking about the future of a company has the same value to me than a interview with the security guard of the Konami building.
Their TGS stand was tragic and there is zero sign of Konami interested in core gaming aside of PES. So I'll believe when I see.
(Also, I don't want to see a Metal Gear without Kojima, that would be a travesty).
Their TGS stand was tragic and there is zero sign of Konami interested in core gaming aside of PES. So I'll believe when I see.
(Also, I don't want to see a Metal Gear without Kojima, that would be a travesty).
AdmiralMikey
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If only Konami's acts didn't completely contradict this interview. You can say you're committed to core gamers all day long, but none of it's true if you're not working on developing games for core gamers.
I'm sure they'll get the L.A. studio do take up work on this series if they decide to continue. They invested a lot in establishing it, and so far they've done a pretty neat job with MGO, so I can see them being more involved in the creation of core MGS games in the future.
BadAss2961
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If the problem is story related, I probably won't care. 35% through on mission 15 or so, i've played the content of like 5 AAA games at this point.
Unknown One
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Honeymoon phase. Same happened to MGS4, but it took longer for people to be objective for MGS4.
ThatsMytrunks
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Aside: 11 seconds dedicated to your logo is far too long.
"Nothing has changed" regarding their console strategy.
Confirmed: Another two years may come out next year, one of which will be PES.
"Nothing has changed" regarding their console strategy.
Confirmed: Another two years may come out next year, one of which will be PES.
Thing is, I reckon if the next MGS does not blow away the current release it will probably be said it's because Kojima was not involved.
Konami has a big battle ahead of them if they want to continue the Metal Gear brand and not have it become like Silent Hill.
I have little faith in them at this point.
Konami has a big battle ahead of them if they want to continue the Metal Gear brand and not have it become like Silent Hill.
I have little faith in them at this point.
Eh, I know people who've already departed. Not really too optimistic about future of that studio or even MGO.
Everyone there who stuck with the game until its release did a fantastic job. The PC port -- if it was even handled by KPLA -- is particularly great.
Game it's definitely rushed misleading a lot of people with the repeated missions nonsense (I'm spoiled the real ending for this shit) But gameplay wise it's the better MGS ever.
Kojima has tried to leave the franchise before, specifically at the end of MGS2, but had to be called back when it became clear that the team wasn't getting it and had to have him as director and lead. There's also Rising's development, which basically had to be saved by another developer and restructured into a very different game to finally work and see release.
KojiPro is (technically was now, I guess) a group of very talented people, no doubt, but I have a lot of doubts they would be able to really bring together a new MGS without a clear guiding direction based on those past issues. Yeah, yeah, blah blah about the story and all, but the design and gameplay of MGSV is top notch and (mostly) loved from what I can tell.
Unless we're talking about giving MGS over to another developer entirely. I don't know, that's just a coin flip either way I suppose
KojiPro is (technically was now, I guess) a group of very talented people, no doubt, but I have a lot of doubts they would be able to really bring together a new MGS without a clear guiding direction based on those past issues. Yeah, yeah, blah blah about the story and all, but the design and gameplay of MGSV is top notch and (mostly) loved from what I can tell.
Unless we're talking about giving MGS over to another developer entirely. I don't know, that's just a coin flip either way I suppose
falconxcrunner09
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After playing MGSV, a non Kojima MGS may be a good thing
GhostTrick
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The problem with MGSV story wasnt the way it was told. Its what was told. What Kojima wrote was stupid and bad.
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