BronsonLee
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No problem.
Sometimes the obvious has to be stated.
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No problem.
Sometimes the obvious has to be stated.
CS has done actual review-style critiques on his channel where he gives his honest opinion of a film with no gimmicks, and his actual reviews have had the criticisms as their Sin video counterparts. His Age of Ultron review brought up issues he had with the film (issues that were totally resolvable just by paying attention/thinking critically) that later showed up in "Everything Wrong With Avengers Age of Ultron."
Why shouldn't I criticize it as a serious criticism if he makes the same arguments in both his actual reviews as well as his EWW series?
It's not like that at all
This is a bad comparison you are making
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I meant the director not the people here in this thread.
If you wanna criticise his actual reviews, do that. Don't criticise the EWW vids as those are just comedy entertainment.
Nah, it perfectly fine. People criticising the sins like score matters, like these are reviews and ratings, are grossly misunderstanding what they are watching.
If you wanna criticise his actual reviews, do that. Don't criticise the EWW bids as those are just comedy entertainment.
You're gonna straight up ignore the point that they make the same misguided criticisms in both?
Nah, it perfectly fine. People criticising the sins like score matters, like these are reviews and ratings, are grossly misunderstanding what they are watching. CS is comedy entertainment. Three Stooges is comedy too, but if you start criticising it for domestic violence you're really misunderstanding what you should be taking away from it.
But that isn't most of the stuff he does. I don't want to extrapolate but I think most people don't like when he does that. But it's the minority.
If in the EWW vid it gets a laugh, mission accomplished.
If in an actual review, I guess it a poor review.
Doesn't make the EWW video a review.
Sure, but having seen bobvids's critique on the Sherlock Holmes, Ultron, and Civil War videos, are those just outliers?
You're gonna straight up ignore the point that they make the same misguided criticisms in both?
How is "Why does the robot save Will Smith instead of the girl in iRobot?" a joke? How does that "get a laugh?"
Because it sounds to me like that and countless other examples were meant to be actual problems CS had with the film.
To be fair that's their even shittier copycatsHow is "Why does the robot save Will Smith instead of the girl in iRobot?" a joke? How does that "get a laugh?"
Because it sounds to me like that and countless other examples were meant to be actual problems CS had with the film.
Don't forget the one he did for EWW The Last of Us.
I'm still confused as to what the discussion is about? We almost all unanimously agree their comedy is awful. We all know they don't influence the movie scene. We all know their criticisms are bad. Are we trying to get them less followers now?
Sure, but having seen bobvids's critique on the Sherlock Holmes, Ultron, and Civil War videos, are those just outliers?
Because that is the format, comedy entertainment (in form of nitpicks) presented as a review. As opposed to an actual review (with actual critical analysis) presented comedically.
The former not a review, the latter is.
But what is the satire about misrepresenting a movie to make jokes that make no sense. Where is the satire in mixing up characters or complaining about plot points that are explained in the next scene?
The issue is not that he is making fun of the movie or pointing out flaws. It is that he points things out that don't even make sense and just straight up makes errors in his criticism.
No one is criticizing the final tally like sins matter, they're saying he pads the videos out with nonsense.
Quite a lot are trying to make that claim actually, claiming it turns people away from the movies.
So "comedy entertainment" and "actual review" are now mutually exclusive terms? It has to be one or the other?
How is it not "actual critical analysis" if nothing is changed except the format?
Also, again, comedy can be criticized for being bad, it's not some shield against critical blowback. Just because you don't take yourself seriously doesn't mean your criticisms aren't serious, because, again, they're the same exact criticisms in both the former and the latter.
Intent. If your point is to entertain with a fake, meaningless review, you're not really reviewing something. If you want to review something and make people laugh at same time, you are actually reviewing something.
Intent. If your point is to entertain with a fake, meaningless review, you're not really reviewing something. If you want to review something and make people laugh at same time, you are actually reviewing something.
I already said criticism of the comedy and entertainment is fair game. Criticism of CS as reviews isn't, because they are not real reviews, CS has said this.
It's just jokes and satireThe Cinema Sins Defense Force are obtuse.
This is basically the "what have you written?" rebuttal of criticism, though, combined with a side of "it's just a movie, stop thinking so hard about it"
It does have an impact on a decent amount of people's feelings towards a movie.
It's just jokes and satire
But it's not funny and wrong
It's just "jokes" and "satire"
But it's not funny and wrong
It's just "jokes" and "satire"
But it's not funny and wrong
It's just "jokes" and "satire"
But it's not funny and wrong
It's also an extreme to want to take down CS and say they are hurting the industry.So this thread has taught me that you can't criticize Cinema Sins as film criticism because then you are "taking them too seriously", but you also can't criticize their humor because "humor is subjective". Am I getting it right?
What I think Cinema Sins fans are really saying is: "don't criticize the thing I like, because I will interpret your criticism as a personal attack on my identity". Ultimately, that's not unique to Cinema Sins fans, you see this behavior on the gaming side, among genre movie fans, comic book fans, etc. It's not unique, but it is something you should try to grow out of, because criticism is part of a healthy discussion about the entertainment we engage with and it's also okay to enjoy something while acknowledging it's flaws. This inability to cope with criticism of your preferred media is where attacks on Anita Sarkeesian come from, and what fed into the birth of the Gamer Gate movement. I AM NOT SAYING CINEMA SINS FANS = GAMER GATERS, but I'm saying that this kind of visceral defensiveness is common in this, and many other, online enthusiast communities and that we should try to be more self aware than that.
Cinemasins is just for comedy, sometimes Jeremy gets serious, and that's mostly during real shit movies, but I think it's all in good fun.
Love that channel.
It's also an extreme to want to take down CS
I noticed you quoted me, but I can't tell if you're replying to me...?It's also an extreme to want to take down CS and say they are hurting the industry.
Yeah this (and rest of Bobby's post).Who are you talking about
What are you talking about
who are you talking to
what are you referencing
Then why do Jeremy's actual opinions on movies overlap with the criticisms in the Cinema Sins videos?Cinemasins is just for comedy, sometimes Jeremy gets serious, and that's mostly during real shit movies, but I think it's all in good fun.
Love that channel.
I just think it's dumb to actually think there are people out there that doesn't take it serious to some degree. Especially since it is the Internet and all.
Y'all can give me shit for it, I don't care. I just find it entertaining, that's all.Then why do Jeremy's actual opinions on movies overlap with the criticisms in the Cinema Sins videos?
They're not in good fun if they're mean-spirited. Which they are.
Wait, criticizing a Cinema Sins video is giving shit to one another on a personal level?Y'all can give me shit for it, I don't care. I just find it entertaining, that's all.
You're not supposed to take Cinema Sins seriously, but you should take criticism of it very seriously.Wait, criticizing a Cinema Sins video is giving shit to one another on a personal level?
THE MORE YOU KNOW!You're not supposed to take Cinema Sins seriously, but you should take criticism of it very seriously.
I doubt the the casual audience give a shit about plot holes or anything and just in the movies for easy entertainment considering they also sinned highly successful moviesIt's surface-level criticism, and sometimes not even criticism at all. Anyone that is influenced by these to any degree doesn't have an opinion or critical stance worth hearing anyway.
I guess that kind of stuff matters when you make broad-appeal films for the masses, though.