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[bigboss370]

Let's get realistic. No way is this game coming out in 4 months. We haven't even had anyone from the media play the game and are we to believe that they are going to ramp up marketing in the next two months or so? Highly doubt.

I want the game NOW but I see another delay in it's future.

maybe it'll have a big showing at the VGAs?

 

[GlamFM]

If Bioshock misses Feb and GTA V is not out by May Strauss Zelnick is done.

You can literally hear the investors getting more and more impatient on every conference call.

 

[Vinterbird]

Let's get realistic. No way is this game coming out in 4 months. We haven't even had anyone from the media play the game and are we to believe that they are going to ramp up marketing in the next two months or so? Highly doubt.

I want the game NOW but I see another delay in it's future.

Media didn't play GTA4 until close to release, and it's five months not four. And yes, they could go full on marketing blitz in the beginning of February to catch mainstream attention and do a "gold bitches" at the middle of January and away the hype goes.

Mainstream marketing is not done for months and months in advance, it's happening when it is relevant for the consumer to actually go purchase the game.

 

[bud23]

Let's get realistic. No way is this game coming out in 4 months.

Yes,I´m beginning to think in a simultaneous release for the current gen and durango/ps4? by fall next year. You know,Take two must delay all its games, is its business philosophy.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Yes,I´m beginning to think in a simultaneous release for the current gen and durango/ps4? by fall next year. You know,Take two must delay all its games, is its business philosophy.

It isnt a Take 2 game without delays

 

[eXistor]

I was always skeptical of the game, everything shown just seemed so staged. I sincerely hope they can get it to a satisfactory level though, the demos looked spectacular.

 

[subversus]

ambition and probably hubris prevent this game from being released.

 

[diamount]

I was always skeptical of the game, everything shown just seemed so staged. I sincerely hope they can get it to a satisfactory level though, the demos looked spectacular.

You have to wonder why make a game with lofty ambitions and not be able to execute them properly.

 

[raebodep]

I wish they would just cut multiplayer completely. These types of games never have compelling multiplayer anyway.

 

[GlamFM]

I wish they would just cut multiplayer completely. These types of games never have compelling multiplayer anyway.

They did.

 

[subversus]

my prediction: the game comes out on time, it will be a buggy mess on release, it will be unfinished (sort of), it won't recoup costs, Ken will go the way of Cliffy B. May he'll even team up with Fu Manchu to make an indie immersive sim. His former partner has expressed interest in it.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Fergusson also Tweeted he played Infinite and it's amazing.

The same Fergusson that just left Epic for Irrational. I wouldn't buy too much into that comment, he's bound to big it up.

 

[pharmboy044]

maybe it'll have a big showing at the VGAs?

I forgot about the VGA's. That is an event where this game can get plenty of "mainstream" attention and start their marketing from there.

Media didn't play GTA4 until close to release, and it's five months not four. And yes, they could go full on marketing blitz in the beginning of February to catch mainstream attention and do a "gold bitches" at the middle of January and away the hype goes.

Mainstream marketing is not done for months and months in advance, it's happening when it is relevant for the consumer to actually go purchase the game.

This is doable it just seems rushed.

Also, February 26 is the release date. So it's less than 5 but more than 4 months long.
We're both wrong.

 

[Alcoholikaust]

not showing a real person playing the game by now has proven what I feared: a missed launch window and its FAR from finished.

 

[Dr Frasier Crane]

All according to Kotaku.

LTTP but Bravo.

 

[JaseC]

Media didn't play GTA4 until close to release, and it's five months not four. And yes, they could go full on marketing blitz in the beginning of February to catch mainstream attention and do a "gold bitches" at the middle of January and away the hype goes.

Going day-by-day, Feb. 26th is closer to five months away than four, but -- and this is what he was referring to -- February is four months from October.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Yeah, it's so simple! Just tighten up the graphics on Level 3!

LOLL!!!

 

[toddhunter]

Can somebody fill me into what the ambitious part is supposed to be? The little I have seen looked pretty much like a bioshock game to me.

 

[RoboPlato]

Can somebody fill me into what the ambitious part is supposed to be? The little I have seen looked pretty much like a bioshock game to me.

The world and AI is supposed to be very adaptive to your actions.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Can somebody fill me into what the ambitious part is supposed to be? The little I have seen looked pretty much like a bioshock game to me.

The envrieoments are very large and open, and you can traverse them with incredible speed via the skyline thingies. It would require very good streaming and optimisation. And as others have said, the AI sounds rather advanced too.

 

[StuBurns]

I think it has to be the AI that's causing most problems, if there still are problems. So many studios have taken a stab at it, and none have succeeded.

 

[Flavius]

Can somebody fill me into what the ambitious part is supposed to be? The little I have seen looked pretty much like a bioshock game to me.

We've been given a glimpse of it, in terms of being able to progress the game while given a wide berth in traversal and using an AI sidekick with a seemingly robust set of options for manipulating the environment.

Those elements are quite different from the first Bioshock.

My take: as with all of their games, the features they're wrestling with at the moment are ones that we have little or no knowledge of. Like the good looking girl who drove you fucking nuts, they'll eventually drop the ones that aren't working, and we'll get a great game in line with our expectations...and on the current schedule.

Postmortem for this one should be pretty interesting. Can't wait to see what sort of crazy shit they were trying to integrate into this game!

 

[JaseC]

The envrieoments are very large and open, and you can traverse them with incredible speed via the skyline thingies. It would require very good streaming and optimisation. And as others have said, the AI sounds rather advanced too.

To add to this, the UE3-based engine behind BioInf has all but been built from scratch.

 

[Krauser Kat]

Game in general are getting ahead of themselves. We cant even tell a great story yet, and have soo many gameplay aspects on top of that. Smaller more focused games that do one or 2 things fucking great.

 

[dark10x]

I think it has to be the AI that's causing most problems, if there still are problems. So many studios have taken a stab at it, and none have succeeded.

I'm sure the AI and the speed at which you can traverse the large maps are giving them fits. Designing AI that can keep up with a player in such circumstances doesn't seem like an easy task.

I always thought that the demo looked too ambitious for its own good. I think it's neat that they're trying but they've clearly run into problems reaching their ambitious vision.

 

[soultron]

The Bioshock team seems to be hiring still (3 positions, LD among one of them, IIRC.) so you can either see this as a dark omen or simply part of their closing plans to get the game out the door sooner. Since I don't work there I'm not going to pretend to know which, but I'd lean towards the latter if I had to guess.

I honestly see it as a good sign whenever someone's hiring though.

 

[StuBurns]

Game in general are getting ahead of themselves. We cant even tell a great story yet, and have soo many gameplay aspects on top of that. Smaller more focused games that do one or 2 things fucking great.

I don't really see the connection between the two. Telling a well crafted story is nice, but it shouldn't be the focus, especially at the cost of progressive game design.

 

[Flavius]

The Bioshock team seems to be hiring still (3 positions, LD among one of them, IIRC.) so you can either see this as a dark omen or simply part of their closing plans to get the game out the door sooner. Since I don't work there I'm not going to pretend to know which, but I'd lean towards the latter if I had to guess.

I'd agree. The hooks for multiplayer are still in the game. Cutting them for release, and releasing as DLC makes a hell of a lot of sense.

 

[Mario007]

I think it has to be the AI that's causing most problems, if there still are problems. So many studios have taken a stab at it, and none have succeeded.

The Last of US seems to be the first in succeeding.

 

[CaptNfantasy]

If you cant make a game, dont.

 

[StuBurns]

The Last of US seems to be the first in succeeding.

Fingers crossed.

If you cant make a game, dont.

Who? Irrational? They've made some of the finest games ever.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

If you cant make a game, dont.

This sentence is magic, it's an enigma, it fries my brain.

If they can't make the game, then they can't make the game, it doesn't matter whether they want to or not. I'm not really sure what your point is.

 

[heringer]

The envrieoments are very large and open, and you can traverse them with incredible speed via the skyline thingies. It would require very good streaming and optimisation. And as others have said, the AI sounds rather advanced too.

You mean just like Skytown in Metroid Prime 3?

 

[NinjaBoiX]

You mean just like Skytown in Metroid Prime 3?

Yeah, but Retro = coding gods. MPT hasn't aged a day, it's ridiculous.

 

[HueyFreeman]

If you cant make a game, dont.

So.. you're actually anti-innovation?

 

[omonimo]

But we are talking only of multiplayer, right? This what I have read in the OP , I can't see any mention to SP. who care of multiplayer in bioshock?

 

[Vinterbird]

But we are talking only of multiplayer, right? This what I have read in the OP , I can't see any mention to SP. who care of multiplayer in bioshock?

Everything points to MP being killed.

 

[omonimo]

Everything points to MP being killed.

Great news.

 

[NHale]

They really need to update on the release date. Personally I'm thinking it will be Feb 2014 now.

The game would have to be in a terrible shape right now if they were going to launch it after the new consoles are already out. However, I also don't believe this is still a Feb 2013 game.

August 2013 would be my uneducated guess.

 

[Clay Davis]

They very explicitly said "we will not be showing it at trade shows or publicly until we have something that is truly done and will be final game experience like". Release date has not been moved yet, so I highly doubt they are going to push it out even further.

I must have missed that. thank you for the reply and I'm very sorry for bumping the thread with no new news but I didn't want to create a new thread to ask.

again, very sorry.

 

[daegan]

Media didn't play GTA4 until close to release, and it's five months not four. And yes, they could go full on marketing blitz in the beginning of February to catch mainstream attention and do a "gold bitches" at the middle of January and away the hype goes.

Mainstream marketing is not done for months and months in advance, it's happening when it is relevant for the consumer to actually go purchase the game.

I don't know much more than any of you, but if nothing has changed, enthusiast-focused marketing should begin this month.

 

[pharmboy044]

I don't know much more than any of you, but if nothing has changed, enthusiast-focused marketing should begin this month.

Any reason why you would make this statement?

 

[Continuity]

The dream is dead. You were suppose to be my game of the year for the next decade.

Drop the multiplayer, drop all of it, concentrate on crafting a good single player experience. An unfinished single player and a half-assed multiplayer is not going to please anyone.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Like a lot of games the first (or second) in the series will be the best.

Bioshock 1 > all

Oh well

 

[greycolumbus]

This sentence is magic, it's an enigma, it fries my brain.

If they can't make the game, then they can't make the game, it doesn't matter whether they want to or not. I'm not really sure what your point is.

Maybe he's trying to say "don't be unable to make the game." Quite inspiring, that one.

 

[Buttonbasher]

Drop the multiplayer, drop all of it, concentrate on crafting a good single player experience. An unfinished single player and a half-assed multiplayer is not going to please anyone.

Read the thread, or even this page. They did.

 

[whatevermort]

Interestingly, I'd assume that this means Jordan Thomas is no longer running X-Com (which might explain how it's now become a tps).

 

[Riposte]

I can believe this and felt this way since the start. I really hope this is a wake up call for journos who were giving this game of the show two E3s ago or whatever. You can't go gaga over a video at a videogame convention.

 

[SniperHunter]

this game is doomed. I should really cancel my pre-order but it's only $34

 

[StuBurns]

I can believe this and felt this way since the start. I really hope this is a wake up call for journos who were giving this game of the show two E3s ago or whatever. You can't go gaga over a video at a videogame convention.

Spore didn't teach them that, they clearly don't care.