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And most importantly we all know that LR was designed in the first place as the final installment and how it performs means absolutely fucking NOTHING.
Pretty sure Square wouldn't agree with you there.
And most importantly we all know that LR was designed in the first place as the final installment and how it performs means absolutely fucking NOTHING.
so guys.. general thoughts on this game? i'm hearing medicore.. but at least tell me its an improvment over previous lightning games?
I don't see why games that use XIII engine and assets actually had to continue the story and characters of XIII.... So I'm gonna call half-bullshit on the explanation that keeps popping up in here about the reason for more XIII games being "milking" alone.
When you enjoy something and people are unwilling to engage in sensible discussion, you get frustrated. I ignore some but sometimes it just reaches a breaking point.
I have to agree. There is no doubt mainline FF games are expensive to make, but I would argue it may very well have been far more expensive to invest so much time and resources into the XIII universe. There were serious implicit costs: the potential damage done to the brand; the potential damage done to the fabric of the team/company after being restricted to cheap, unambitious products for so long; and the fact that instead of creating something amazing that could have sold comparably to a mainline title, they instead created a series of mediocre products that will ultimately sell much, much less, even if you combine their sales.
And yes, not only are there always a lot of left over ideas/assets/etc. that you can leverage toward a brand new title, but I'm sure by the time XIII finished, their development tools were much more polished, and the team was generally more comfortable in HD development. That afterward they set their sights lower instead of higher is a real shame.
So, personally, I don't buy the "they had to milk it by turning it into a forgettable trilogy!" argument. It's possible XIV sucked a lot of the team's talent away, or something along those lines. But no one should take for granted that, hey, SE needed a buffer for their quarterly reports in the short term while games like XIV were losing dramatic amounts of money, and so for some reason it was perfectly okay to completely neglect long term growth. This being the course of action SE chose doesn't mean it was actually the right one.
Damn. This whole post. This whole fucking post. Thank you for this.More like it induces real discussion of the state of both the franchise and the company that manages said franchise rather than blindly and stupidly liking something that should be criticized regardless of its status of being a spinoff or not.
Like it or not, there are many legitimate claims, statements, and comments to be had in this thread. Don't like it? Then either put up with it and have an intelligent discussion or get out. The fact of the matter is LR has relatively low sales, and it's expected considering what it is and how the game plays. To those of you who touted that this game would sell better than XIII-2 and would be better than XIII-2, I highly recommend you open your eyes to reality rather than blindly hope for something. There is a difference between hoping for something or what will be.
In addition, just because LR is a "spin-off" doesn't mean it should sell like this nor does it mean it should be rated horribly by its fans. We have tons of spin-offs by SE that are awesome. Theaterythm, Crisis Core, Type-0, etc. These are all great games. If a game sucks then fucking call it out. Do NOT give SE a free pass. No company deserves a free pass, and this industry is no different. Like I stated earlier, if a game stinks then it should bomb, be ridiculed by its fanbase, and have it be meticulously criticized. On the flipside, if a game is good then it should succeed, be praised by its fans, and still be meticulously criticized for what it does well and bad. What happens to a bad (or good) game should directly reflect the company and affect it. Saying shit like "WHY ARE WE HOPING THIS GAME BOMBS?!" or "WHY ARE YOU HAPPY THAT THIS GAME FAILED?!" is stupid and pointless. Why? Because it shifts the blame of the creators of the game to the players. If a product sucks then it should be called out. We're not going to praise a game and hope it does well if it's shit. It makes no sense. If a game fucking sucks then we should be glad it bombed otherwise it'd saturate the market with even more shit and not only that but we're signaling to the developers that we're fine with shit and they'll only create shit.
To the so-called "haters," elaborate on your explanations. I'm SO sick of drive-by comments. I am not a fan of drive-bys and it's become increasingly clear with each FF13 thread, and GAF growing, that there is a surplus of this nonsense. If you're not willing to add discussion and only post here to voice your opinion in a thread that has a serious discussion going on then you're doing the community a disservice, and you're acting on your own selfish impulse. Have something to contribute for goodness sake.
Isn't Lightning's VA also super famous in Japan? Or did I just make that up?No.
The only reason you got three games is for milk money.
Isn't Lightning's VA also super famous in Japan? Or did I just make that up?
Damn. This whole post. This whole fucking post. Thank you for this.
Isn't Lightning's VA also super famous in Japan? Or did I just make that up?
So we're done with all this Lightning rubbish now right? And all the spin-offs to XIII
Can we have XV now please
Just so we're clear, you do know that XV is (Still) a spin-off of XIII, right?
It's not a spinoff of 13. That's like arguing Type-0 is (Still) a spin-off of 13 even though Type-0 has a completely separate cast, story, setting, and history and so on, despite its name change and the different implementation of the general mythology set out for the Fabula Nova Crystallis games.Just so we're clear, you do know that XV is (Still) a spin-off of XIII, right?
It isn't. XV and XIII are two different interpretations of Kazushige Nojima's "Fabula Nova Crystallis" mythos. They're both spin-offs of that concept, if anything.
Wait, what demo?
It's not a connecting origin story though. It is literally a sketchy mythology that they all share. Opposite of what you say that you have never seen anything to imply that these themes are just shared names, there has never been mention that they all exist within the same multiverse. So where are you getting the idea that they do?The mythology story is essentially the connecting origin story for all of the different worlds within FNC. I've never seen anything to imply that these themes are like those with the Vanadiel games where it's just a name, the FNC games are intended to all be within the same multiverse.
My main question is this: am I going to have a fun experience with the game? Will it make me want to come back for more? How are the controls, is the difficulty fair without it being too easy or hard? Will the experience be over before it begins? How much of a grind are things like leveling up, trophies, etc.?
I want to know if the game is a fun experience.
kayos90 said:Like it or not, there are many legitimate claims, statements, and comments to be had in this thread. Don't like it? Then either put up with it and have an intelligent discussion or get out. The fact of the matter is LR has relatively low sales, and it's expected considering what it is and how the game plays. To those of you who touted that this game would sell better than XIII-2 and would be better than XIII-2, I highly recommend you open your eyes to reality rather than blindly hope for something. There is a difference between hoping for something or what will be.
Just so we're clear, you do know that XV is (Still) a spin-off of XIII, right?
That said, it's really hard for me to imagine someone disliking X but loving XIII. Pretty much every beef people have with the former is magnified in the latter.
Oh god, the fucking defense force (and everyone knows who Im talking about) is fucking pathetic.
I cant believe people still defense and spinjutsu this abomination.
To clarify, Versus XIII was originally a part of Fabula Nova Crystallis (hence its name). For whatever reason, it has since been removed from Fabula Nova Crystallis and is now the standalone Final Fantasy XV.
Presumably, XV will have nothing to do with FNC's mythos, but we have not had any proof that that is the case.
I have a feeling that Nomura has had a falling out with FNC, so I don't foresee XV having anything to do with it.
The latest trailer for Final Fantasy XV still states that it is part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis. I highly doubt the references to Etro or anything else have been removed.
People have been playing the proper release of the game, there are enough stream videos and impressions out there to form a solid idea of the mechanics of the combat system and the troubles with the field play.This is nonsensical, I'm sorry.
First of all, conflating sales with quality is utterly pointless. There is a long history of high quality titles that failed to find their audience, look back and see how Vagrant Story did. 40/40 in Famitsu and it tanked utterly.
There is no absolute correlation between quality and sales. These are two separate issues.
Secondly, how can people know "how the game plays" when they haven't bought it in the first place? The PSN demo has only just appeared so you can't even pin it down to that, even assuming that any demo can actually be meaningfully representative of a long-form game's experience.
If you are pre-committed to the premise that a game will be no good, to the extent that you are unwilling to try it, you are creating a self fulfilling prophecy. If you are at least hopeful and positive enough to give something the benefit of the doubt and actually try it, the end-result remains open. You could end-up being pleased or disappointed, or neutral.
This is why blind positivity is ultimately preferable to blind negativity even if neither is really that meaningful in its own right.
I won't defend the guy's comment, but you're the second person I've seen asking why people aren't being banned, and I think it's fair to say that's being passive aggressive in a way that is like you're hoping someone will be banned for saying bad things about your opinion. If you have a legitimate cause don't you think it's better to contact a mod to sweep the thread or something, instead of asking for bans in your posts?Have you played it?
I don't really get how comments like these aren't bannable. Calls other commenters pathetic, and calls the game an abomination even though its not even out yet. Lists zero reasons why the game is supposedly bad. This is really barely above youtube level commenting. Drags down the entire site.
I won't defend the guy's comment, but you're the second person I've seen asking why people aren't being banned, and I think it's fair to say that's being passive aggressive in a way that is like you're hoping someone will be banned for saying bad things about your opinion. If you have a legitimate cause don't you think it's better to contact a mod to sweep the thread or something, instead of asking for bans in your posts?
Pretty sure they tried that and that game ended up becoming XV.I don't see why games that use XIII engine and assets actually had to continue the story and characters of XIII.... So I'm gonna call half-bullshit on the explanation that keeps popping up in here about the reason for more XIII games being "milking" alone.
The guy literally called ME pathetic. He hasn't commented at all on my opinions.
To clarify, Versus XIII was originally a part of Fabula Nova Crystallis (hence its name). For whatever reason, it has since been removed from Fabula Nova Crystallis and is now the standalone Final Fantasy XV.
Presumably, XV will have nothing to do with FNC's mythos, but we have not had any proof that that is the case.
I have a feeling that Nomura has had a falling out with FNC, so I don't foresee XV having anything to do with it.
Then go and report him to a mod instead of whining about how the thread isn't moderated.The guy literally called ME pathetic. He hasn't commented at all on my opinions.
AllenShrz qualified he thought the Lightning defense force was being pathetic by trying to spin what are clearly not good sales numbers into some kind of positive light. I thought that was more of an attack on the posts rather than on the people, but we may see this differently. Make a case for a mod instead of publicly calling out other people, posters can see who is banned and who is not.I cant believe people still defense and spinjutsu this abomination.
Just so we're clear, you do know that XV is (Still) a spin-off of XIII, right?
No, I did not
WTF
Why do they keep going back to XIII? Christ. I just want a new FF game
Pretty sure you're getting one.No, I did not
WTF
Why do they keep going back to XIII? Christ. I just want a new FF game
It is.So it is a new game?!
I'm sad and excited at the same time. I don't know how to feel
Well, I was called a tasteless weeaboo that needed to get back to my waifu game yesterday. :lol If thats not a youtube level comment I don't know what is. Honestly...
Hard to get aroused when she has a body of a 14 year old, has only one emotion, and have a giant head.
dramatis said:People have been playing the proper release of the game, there are enough stream videos and impressions out there to form a solid idea of the mechanics of the combat system and the troubles with the field play.
dramatis said:Sales doesn't correlate to quality, but it is a factor.
and you know what you said to elicit that response.
and you know what you said to elicit that response.
No, I did not
WTF
Why do they keep going back to XIII? Christ. I just want a new FF game
Sure, watching is not the same as playing. But the game can be observed and conclusions drawn. It's actually more obvious than your standard action game because all the commands are expressed clearly on the screen in battle. For quests and sidequests, it's easy to see the content and the objectives, and so on. So I think if someone has observed a play of LR for a length of time, he can draw conclusions about how the systems work and actually be right, compared to say trying to understand Bayonetta where the pace is faster and actions less clear.Its very apparent however that many commenters haven't played the game or demo, and in fact have no interest in playing it at any point due to their abiding dislike of the XIII sub-franchise.
I'd also add that watching a game being played is not close to the same experience as actually playing it for yourself. And I can't help but feel that in many instances its just used as a shallow justification for upholding an existing prejudice.
No it isn't a factor. Popularity is an empirical metric, "quality" in the way we apply it to games or any other form of art, is entirely subjective.
You can say game x is a masterpiece, and I can say the same game is mediocre, and we can both be right because each is our own honest assessment according to our respective personal tastes.
What we can't say is that just because more people fall into line with our viewpoint, it must then be the "right" evaluation. Populism isn't the hallmark of quality, its just a target for marketeers!
If you run around saying you're hot for Lightning and where are the screenshots of her in skimpy clothing, being very blatant about your perverseness...I don't think responses like those are warranted at all regardless of what he said.
I gave my (fairly controversial) opinion about a game. Thats it. Do you really think that should lead to an offense on personal levels? I never even mentioned that other member, much less called him anything on that level. As much as you are trying to spin that by acting as his defense attorney, that was really low from him, and there is no denying it.
wait, this image is incredible. what is this?